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  1. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Christy, it is clear you resent and dismiss any messages that do not have the full approval of the church. May I remind you that ALL messages every given by God were once non-approved by the Church. What those of us who believe God's word in scripture: "For surely the Lord God does nothing without revealing his plan to his prophets his servants" Amos 3:7, is to use our gifts of the Holy Spirit to discern based on what is not contrary to scripture or church teaching, along with that which compatible with scripture, approved church prophecy and a consensus of private prophecy of the times that is compatible with both. We also can see what is being revealed is in full motion at this time.

    Since you seem so negative towards Verne and his messages, I would challenge you to find one thing in Verne's messages in God Speak Will You Listen that is contrary to our church teaching or scripture. I am confident you don't care if there is none. Yet, holy priests, such as the former head of the Marian Movement of Priests and many others have read and provided positive feedback that nothing is contrary to church teaching or scripture. Several priests have commented that they have never read prophecy with so much scripture quoted within the messages. Priests have contacted Verne (as recent as in the past few weeks) and myself in full support of the messages and have volunteered to help spread the messages. So if you can't accept this fact and the fact that Verne nor myself have never said 'the messages have the full approval of the Church' and not various priests who have read the messages, then that is your issue, not his.

    It's unfortunate that a few, like yourself, wish do slander what God has revealed through his messengers. He will have the last word.
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  2. Christy1983

    Christy1983 Archangels

    Absolutely right! My apologies, Sam, to you and to Paul VI. :oops:
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  3. Christy1983

    Christy1983 Archangels


    There is no need for your continued personal attacks.You have also been rebuked for this behavior. Can you not stick to the message and not the messenger? I went back to the beginning of this thread and see the constant in it is your dismissal of others with whom you disagree. Many respected members disagree with you and are not convinced by Verne. Starting on page 7...

    I would challenge you to counter the arguments in what I wrote with something besides your opinion. So, which authentic prophets have avoided going to the bishop because it might offend some other person? Would a true prophet "forget" God's words in a notebook? Doesn't every new messenger claim to have the approval of various priests (Locutions, Charlie Johnson, Scottsdale, Vassula Ryden...)?

    Let me give one example of something troubling, mentioned years ago by Dolours:

    Pardon my curiosity, but do you receive an income from your books and website?

    It strikes me as rather strange that God the Father would give you messages to relay to the world yet you wouldn't take the prudent approach of going first to the shepherds God has placed in authority over you. Don't you think that they would be better placed than your friend Cletus to ensure that your messages get the widest coverage?

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  4. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The last message given to Verne in the book GOD SPEAKS WILL YOU LISTEN

    The Mark of the Beast
    My son, I want to further explain to you what the mark of the beast truly means. Apocalypse 13:16-17 states: And he shall make all, both the little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand or on their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Now read Apocalypse 14:9-11: And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man shall adore the beast and his image and receive his character in his forehead or in his hand, He also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mingled with pure wine in the cup of his wrath: and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torments shall ascend up forever and ever: neither have they rest day nor night, who have adored the beast and his image and whoever receiveth the character of his name.

    My son, who are the souls who will take this mark? They are lukewarm Catholics, apostate Protestants, and the followers of the antichrist. I will now explain this further for you. My words clearly states those who take the mark of the beast will be tormented forever with fire and brimstone. This means it is a final act of rebellion against my mercy. What would cause a person to rebel against my mercy with the knowledge of eternal damnation upon receiving the mark? It will be a rejection of my mercy through my warning. The warning shall take place before the mark of the beast is forced on mankind. Otherwise many innocent souls would take this mark not understanding what it truly means. The mark of the beast is more than a computer chip. It is the turning completely of your will to Satan and your sinful desires. A physical mark is an outward manifestation
    of an inward rebellion against God. Just as baptism, is an outward sign of an inward cleansing of original sin from a soul.

    During the warning, every soul will know that I exist and that I am the Son of God who is the only way to the Father. My son, souls will experience a miniature judgment and be given a chance to repent and change their wicked ways. This type of knowledge of soul has never occurred on a worldwide scale before in history. Most souls only receive this knowledge after death and are not given a second chance. This is what makes rejection of the warning such a final condemnation. You will see the truth Jesus Christ and then you will reject the truth. You truly will have no excuses. You will be committing the sin of Lucifer and his angels, “ I will not serve.” You will have experienced the truth. No doubts will henceforth remain in the minds of any of my people. Rejection of the warning will leave you with a total rejection of my mercy. This rejection will cause many to totally give their will to Satan and their evil desires. These souls will have taken the mark of the beast on their souls. Just as my faithful, receive the mark of the cross at baptism and confirmation.

    To repeat, the spiritual mark will be manifested by a physical sign. This physical sign on your being will be required for survival in this world. Those who reject the spiritual mark will reject the physical mark and will be persecuted by the following groups. Lukewarm Catholics will reject my divine life received at baptism and commit the sin of blaspheming my body, blood, soul, and divinity. Hence lukewarm Catholics will persecute my faithful Catholics. After the warning, there will only be one church. All Protestant denominations will have no reason to exist. For all Protestants will see the truth in my Catholic Church. Those Protestants who in their pride reject my truth, will become apostate and persecute my true Catholics. Many Protestants will enter my church because of the warning. The ungodly will persecute my faithful remnant because the ungodly rejected my mercy. A fierce persecution will rage like a fire in certain parts of your world. Europe, North America, and Latin America will persecute my faithful severely.

    My son, the largest number of converts will come from the pagan religions. Many Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and tribal peoples will accept my mercy and truth because of the warning. My church will experience a large amount of growth in those areas. I will need my faithful to teach these converts. Many miracles will take place at this time. Bilocation and other miracles assisted by my angels will occur. My faithful may be teaching in different areas of the world. After the warning, there will only be a short time given to mankind to repent. If no repentance is done, I will allow Satan and the antichrist to chastise a sinful generation. At this time, many faithful will be: called home, persecuted, martyred, and taken to my refuges. Only those who are not spiritual babies with my divine life residing in their souls will endure those days and enter my era of peace. My son, at baptism all my children receive sanctifying grace, but many do not progress beyond spiritual infancy. I will not lose any the Father has given to me. My spiritual babies will come home to be with me to prevent the loss of their souls. A soul who does not partake of my Eucharist remains a spiritual baby. Just as a human baby must eat solid food to grow to adulthood, so spiritually you must receive my graces through the sacraments to mature to spiritual adulthood. The body must be fed to grow. Likewise, the soul must be fed to grow and mature. Satan knows this truth. This is why he has deceived many of my people with false interpretations of my scriptures. Many teach the physical nation of Israel is the fulfillment of my scripture.

    Many teach the antichrist will resume the Jewish sacrifice in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem to constitute the abomination of desolation. This is a false teaching, not from God, but from human understanding. My son, in the book of Daniel, the persecution by the Jews under Antiochus can be considered a partial fulfillment of the abomination of desolation. But the complete fulfillment has not yet taken place. At my death, the veil in the temple was rent in two and the old sacrificial covenant was replaced by my new covenant. My sacrifice on the cross was the final sacrifice for my peoples’ sin. I am the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham. I am the seed of Abraham, the son of David, in whom all the nations of the earth are blessed. My nation of Israel is my church, not the modern nation of Israel. My people are now all those who become part of my church through sanctifying grace. The complete fulfillment of the prophecy from Daniel of the abomination of desolation will occur: when the continual sacrifice of the mass is abolished by the False Prophet and the Anitchrist. Acceptance of the protestant doctrine of the mass by an antipope will be the fulfillment of the prophecy. The temple of God is my Holy Roman Catholic Church. My faithful remnant will be persecuted worldwide with the mass taking place underground. These conditions will be similar to the early persecutions by the Romans. The Roman persecutions were a foreshadowing of the persecution and time of the antichrist. Remember all this will be allowed and take place according to the will of my Father in heaven. Scripture must and will be fulfilled. I am warning you again my son and any who will take heed to my warnings. He who has ears to hear let him hear.

    A final warning to those who read these words. Do not wait until the warning to prepare your soul. Prepare your soul now. You may meet your maker today. I do not promise you tomorrow. Receive my graces today through the sacraments instituted by myself and given to my church. You will need my divine life in your soul prior to the warning, to be my witness to the world. After the warning, many souls will need instruction. Many of these souls will be spiritual babies and will be taken home, after the warning. If you desire to enter my era of peace, you must be progressing through my merits and graces to spiritual adulthood, when the warning takes place. This is my final message from this messenger for my people. For I am the same yesterday, today, and forever. The time is short. Jesus Christ has spoken to you today. Take heed to my words. Amen.
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  5. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Verne never had anything to do with the printing of the book of his messages!! In fact he did nothing with them, but write them down like he was told, he put them in a closet. He had just come into the Catholic faith though his marriage. It was not until he met his good and holy friend Cletus, that his messages were ever read. Cletus, being a holy man of God, who believed them to be of God, asked Verne for permission to put them into a book, which Cletus named God Speaks Will You Listen and paid for all 20,000 books. Most of them sent unboxed of 60 to known refuges by Cletus. All 20,000 books were blessed by a faithful Catholic priest before they were given out. Not one penny was made from those books!!! Verne did nothing with the messages himself. I come across the book by chance 7 years ago, read it and knew in my own heart the messages were of God. So, I started to share those messages on this forum. It was a few years later that Verne Googled the book title and was surprised to see it was being discussed here on the Mother of God forum. He came on the forum and we became good friends since, with many long phone conversations over the past 7 years.

    This past summer, I met Verne and his wife. He came to Minnesota and Wisconsin for meetings. I watched as Verne pray over people in both places whom received healings of things in their life they struggled greatly with. I watched, as people were delivered from heavy crosses they bore through Verne praying over them. Many of them in Wisconsin were present that knew Cletus and Verne from over 13 years ago when they were there before. What I witnessed was God's grace in action coming from a very humble man of God. A man who was faithful in God by putting down on paper what He asked him to write. Verne will be the first to say, he did nothing with those messages, it was all the working of his friend Cletus, who spent his inheritance of $20,000 and it was Cletus who had them blessed and promoted them and handed them all out free of charge.

    Cletus was a holy many of God right up to the time he passed away. He was a healer. The painting of the picture of God the Father on the inside of the book God Speaks Will You Listen has great healing power, as Cletus foretold. The picture and the books were all blessed by a holy priest. That picture on was to provide healings and especially for those who look upon this picture of God the Father in good faith and prayed to Him for healing. During the plague we are now witnessing and worse to come in the future, Verne was told this picture will bring healings. The first healing from looking at the picture is told on the web site by a school teacher who looked at the picture, in Cletus' car, right after it was blessed in Church by a holy Catholic priest. Once she was healed she was able to join Mother Teresa of Calcutta's sisters, which she wanted to do, but couldn't with her serious injury before being healed by looking at the picture of God the Father. All who pray to God the Father in good faith, while looking at His picture, will receive grace and healings, especially during the time of plagues.
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  6. Christy1983

    Christy1983 Archangels

    Why avoid the authorities of the Church, then? Humility and obedience to the bishop who has jurisdiction over Verne is the path forward with any "ministry." The office of the bishop was instituted for the purpose of judging and guiding the distribution of God's word, among other things. Why the rejection of this path? I cannot accept as righteous any messenger who will not submit to the Church.

    Edited to add: Without seeking Church approval, it is presumptuous for a Catholic to promote a book entitled, God Speaks, Will You Listen?
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  7. Verne

    Verne Principalities

    I know I am doing what God wants me to do and for myself that is what matters. These priests are confirmation I am doing God’s will. I am glad this book has helped others on their journey to God. My book cannot save a soul, only Jesus Christ can. But God can use books, personal witness, illness etc to bring a person to himself. What happens after that moment, is up to how a person responds to God’s grace. This older lady responded to God’s grace. We can pray that she followed through with her conversion. Many people have picked up a book and God has used it, to lead them to Jesus Christ. We all need to be a witness where we are everyday. If you told me, you wrote a book, and a person repented, I would say, Praise the Lord, God used you as his instrument. It is not for me to judge how God uses you. Sometimes a person, can get so legalistic, God’s grace can be stopped. This has happened to me several times. This is why I generally will not criticize another person doing God’s work, unless there’s blatant errors. I know many Protestant ministers who have led many souls to Christ. I know God uses them also. Jesus Christ’s primary mission is the salvation of souls. He will use whoever says, Yes to him. Remember the Bible verses in Mark 9:38-40: John said to him, “Teacher, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he was not following us.” But Jesus said, “ Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able to soon speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is for us.” The Devil is causing much division in the church right now. We all need to rebuke any spirit of division and work for the fulfillment of the Our Father prayer.
  8. Christy1983

    Christy1983 Archangels

    The priests cannot know that you are doing God's will, Verne, in spreading your 'messages.'

    As for Mark 9:38, Jesus also said, "He who is not with me is against me." (Or "Pride goeth before a fall," from Proverbs.)

    Why will you not seek the guidance of a bishop, who has the God-given authority to make a specific judgment on messages? Do you fear being put to the test? God rejoices in humility and obedience to the Church, which He created, which He imbued with authority, and which He promised will last until He returns.

    If you think you can safely ignore your bishop--while at the same time claiming the unmerited privilege of being God's messenger--then God help you.
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  9. Verne

    Verne Principalities

    Thanks for your opinion and may God bless you. Since you and I do not agree on this issue, it is not necessary to continue this discussion. Keep the faith and be safe.
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  10. Fatima

    Fatima Powers


    6/07 P.M.
    My son as the deception increases, it will be more difficult to see the truth. The more you understand and receive, the easier it becomes to be deceived. Remember Satan and his demons are angelic in nature. Their understanding of divine things is far greater than human understanding. A soul without my divine life in it is dead spiritually. It does not take a great deception to deceive that soul, it is already deceived. But once a soul has my life in it, Satan changes his tactics. The more you submit to my divine will in your life, the more subtle Satan has to become. 2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear lest, as the serpent seduced Eve by his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted and fall from the simplicity that is in Christ. Remember Adam and Eve were created without sin. Only the subtlety of the serpent caused Eve to sin.

    This is a warning for my remnant especially. The more knowledge of God you understand and receive, the greater is the temptation to think you are God. This is how the serpent seduced Adam and Eve. It originates in pride, with a lack of humility. Again, pride has led to the downfall of many of my faithful. The more you receive, the more people forget the source of their knowledge- God almighty. The test for my remnant will be primarily through the deception of spiritual pride. Remember 2 Corinthians 11:13-15. For such false apostles are deceitful workmen, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers be transformed as the ministers of justice, whose end shall be according to their works. Read closely for such false apostles. There will be people masquerading as part of my remnant church but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Why? Because they have been deceived by spiritual pride. As I told you, wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    A simple test, anyone who gives themselves credit for their knowledge, revelations or miracles is being deceived by spiritual pride. Do not listen to them. It will become increasingly difficult to judge true messages from false messages. It will be only by the power of my spirit that you will have the graces to discern. Remember I am meek and humble of heart. Any words, thoughts, or miracles, which manifest even a small amount of spiritual pride discard, cast away, and do not read and dwell on them. It takes Satan only a small crack to deceive a soul and cause that soul to lose my grace. The more holy an individual becomes, there is an increasing danger to fall. How great that fall will be! That is why I remind my people that without me you can do nothing. If you see a soul progressing spiritually and then stop, pray for their soul that the deception can be removed. It is only through focusing on Jesus 100% that Satan will not be able to deceive you.

    This is how you can tell the children of light from the children of darkness. Let me explain this to you. The more graces you receive from me, the more God-like in your soul you become. For my children you are made in my image and likeness. But you do not become God. Now Satan injects the soul with spiritual pride. Now the soul thinks it has arrived spiritually and in its own pride takes credit for my graces and that soul becomes God-less without true repentance. The mark of a truly holy soul is the more you know God, the more you understand your unworthiness, and the more humble a soul becomes.

    This is a simple test. If there is a lack of humility in a soul, be very careful to trust their words and actions because by their fruits ye shall know them. Finally, at the day of judgment, many will come saying they were my disciples and I will say to them I never knew you. You cannot know me if you let spiritual pride take control of your life. You need to repent or else I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth because thou art lukewarm and your foundation is not built upon the rock Christ Jesus, but on your own human wisdom and understanding. Satan has deceived you and great will be the fall of that soul. Take these words as a warning. The words of the Lord.
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  11. 9 Pines

    9 Pines New Member

    Good grief! In these challenging times any nugget consistent with church teachings should be welcomed. It is on each person to discern so stop demanding that unless something is approved it has no value. It is this type of thinking that drives people away.
  12. Christy1983

    Christy1983 Archangels

    Where exactly did you see someone write "unless something is approved it has no value?" And where are these "demands" posted?

    Quotes would be helpful.
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  13. 9 Pines

    9 Pines New Member

    Just read your own writings. You ask - in what is a series of questions with very demanding overtones- why Verne does not submit his messages for church approval. Your replies are clear that you don't support unapproved messages.
    Different things bring conversion or hope in different ways. Why be so hard on messages consistent with church teachings because they are NOT APPROVED? It comes across as someone needing to be right instead of a more gracious message.
    We all need God and however we get there is very personal.
    You stated your case and opinion now let it go.
  14. Christy1983

    Christy1983 Archangels

    Peace? Really, spreading peace doesn't seem the object of your post. And you've provided no quotes to support your claims, only your own negative impressions.

    I have never said I don't believe any messages that have not been approved by the Church. If you'd asked, I would have told you that. As it is, you've made a false statement.

    What you see as 'demanding' I see as an attempt to get accurate answers. I don't believe everything and everyone I read on the internet. I know the damage false messengers can do to vulnerable people and to the faith. I know that claiming to be a messenger from God is a very, very serious thing. I have wondered what motivates someone to claim the mantle of messenger. I saw red flags in some of Verne's responses. Stating that is permitted on this forum.

    While I am happy to discuss and debate with anyone, 9Pines, I do not like accusations. I will not take your advice to "let it go," which I assume means to stop posting. (BTW, you sound very much like a former poster on the forum, who used the same tactics.)
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  15. Frodo

    Frodo Archangels

    Give me a break.

    Messages that were a) refused to be submitted to the proper church authorities b) from a former member of the occult, c) who at one time claimed to be almost possessed, and d) even had his messages discarded by theologians that were sympathetic to his cause... but it's the members who ask questions based on traditional norms of Catholic discernment who are the ones that are criticized? Each one of those is a red flag that should require questioning. and that's before we even start to discern the content of the "messages".

    What exactly do you mean by driving people away?
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  16. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    You have no clue what you are talking about! a) Verne never refused to submit to proper authorities!! Lie #1 of yours. Verne did as he was told by God "write them down" which he did. He did nothing with them, but put them in a box in his closet. It was later that his friend Cletus, who come to learn of Verne's messages, asked to read them. When Cletus read them, he recognized them as sound in doctrine and what he himself had been given much of since his childhood (read Cletus' story at Cletus had the monks at St. John's Collegville, Mn study them and they found nothing contrary to church teaching. Cletus's pastor read the book and blessed all 20,000 that Cletus had made from Verne's messages. All books were given away, free of charge. Most were never unboxed and sent by Cletus to known refuges to come to teach those sent there by God. The former head of the Marian Movement of Priests, with 10's of thousands of priests in this association, read the messages in the book and wrote back that he found them extrodinary in that he had never seen messages, which he received and read throughout the world, that contained so much scripture throughout the messages and asked to keep his copy to share with other priests.

    I would really caution you to assume that someone who had an upbringing in the occult could not be loved and found by God and use him for good. It happened throughout scripture and history. This speaks to your own character. Verne is a good and faithful Catholic man since he joined the church in marrying his bride, shortly before receiving his messages from God. Judge not, lest you be judged! Are you trying to assume our God has not and cannot bring even the worst of sinners into his grace and then use them for His purpose, oh proud man?

    Since you claim to be of such wisdom in the light of the truths of the faith, I have a challenge for you. Find one message, in the book that is contrary to our Catholic faith or scripture or repent of slandering one of God's prophets of our time, before judgement comes to you! You won't, because you can't! You only want to come on this thread and slander what you refuse to pray, discern and understand because it does not fit your personal narrative. You will be the one to raise a "red flag" of your ignorance of the prophets and our times, because you, nor any of the few other naysayers who keep trying to slander Verne and his messages, won't take my challenge and find one thing written in that is contrary to our Catholic faith, scripture or outside what other credible prophets of these times have given.
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  17. 9 Pines

    9 Pines New Member

    Thank you Fatima. I agree. I find the messages on Godspeakswillyoulisten very inspiring and consistent with church teachings. Like everyone I discern for myself.
  18. Christy1983

    Christy1983 Archangels

    I know Frodo is perfectly capable of answering you.

    But quickly: Verne rejected the idea of submitting his book of messages to church authorities. He said an imprimatur would "turn off people." When asked if he would go to the bishop for guidance, he said, "I know I am doing what God wants me to do and for myself that is what matters." So, no, he hasn't submitted himself to the proper authorities, but does continue to state that individual priests approve him. (This is likely to mislead at least some people who will confuse that with actual church approval.)

    As for the occult ties in the past, certainly God's mercy is infinite! However, those past ties would be red flagged by church authorities in any investigation of the messages. (See the Vatican Guidelines on private revelations.) In the public warning Prof. Mark Miravalle issued about the messages of Fr. Rodrigue, Miravalle spelled out the need to very carefully examine any alleged messenger who has had occult experiences. (Fr. Rodrigue claimed a lifelong history of brushes with the demonic, starting at an early age.)

    As for your challenge, the burden of proof is on the one who makes an extraordinary claim. The only way to determine whether Verne's messages are consistent with the Catholic faith is to submit them to the proper church authorities.

    Let me add, Fatima, you and a few others have driven this discussion for 44 pages. Many of those 44 pages are filled with large chunks of type cut and pasted from the book. So there is no need to lash out at those who post occasionally offering different opinions.
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  19. Frodo

    Frodo Archangels

    Wait a second - the holy monks and theologians were from St. John's Collegville, Mn?

    The monks who have as a publishing arm Liturgical Press? Those are the one who discerned the messages?

    It seems their discernment is... well not exactly stellar:

    “In recent weeks, as our readers share similar sentiments about Father Martin’s ministry, they also express the grief and sorrow many of us feel as a result of the very few but vocal and pernicious attacks not just on Father Martin’s work but on his very being. There is sinful irony in the fact that these attacks grew out of Father Martin’s book Building a Bridge: How the Catholic Church and the LGBT Community Can Enter into a Relationship of Respect, Compassion, and Sensitivity. There is further sinful irony in that the attacks are not grounded in fact. In Building a Bridge and in all his work, Father Martin stands on the solid ground of Scripture, Catholic Social Teaching, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Without question, Father Martin’s heart is rooted and grounded in the love and mercy of Christ.”

    These are the holy monks who discerned the messages to not be against doctrine?

    The more we learn of these messages and the so called approval, the more questions and concerns seem to come up.
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  20. non sum dignus

    non sum dignus Archangels

    I hesitated to post about the monks at St. John's since no one should be implicated by association.

    But being from Minnesota, I have 4 very close friends who attended school there, including my lifetime best friend.

    Make your own judgement on how much to value their supposed endorsement.

    I steered my kids away from attending College there when they were choosing. I fought against using their materials in our parish religion classes.

    This in no way invalidates Verne's book. But I wouldn't use those monks as a source for authenticating it's Catholic orthodoxy.

    A quick search of their site shows they publish books advocating women priests, allowing communion by protestants in Catholic Mass, homosexual marriage etc. etc.
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