praying for the dead

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  1. PotatoSack

    PotatoSack Powers

    Is it true that you can get a plenary indulgence for a person in purgatory on all Souls day? The requirements are for someone to go to confession, receive communion, pray one Our Father and one Hail Mary for the intentions of the holy father, and visit a church and recite the Our Father and Creed. I got this from the link below and wondering if it is true.

    If it is true, it is quite amazing that presuming a person is in purgatory, one can do the above for that person, and that person in purgatory would receive a plenary indulgence, which would then immediately release that person from purgatory into heaven since a plenary indulgence removes all punishment from sin.

    How generous and merciful of God...but seems to good to be true. Can someone confirm? Thanks!
  2. Miriam

    Miriam Archangels

    How to Spring a Soul from Purgatory in 4 Steps

    by Dr Taylor Marshall

    According to the current Enchiridion of Indulgences, one can apply a plenary indulgence to a departed soul by the “visitation of a cemetary” {Coemeterii visitatio} from November 1st till the 8th (i.e. the octave of All Saints).
    Here’s the text:
    13. Visit to a Cemetery (Coemeterii visitatio)
    An indulgence, applicable only to the Souls in Purgatory, is granted to the faithful, who devoutly visit a cemetery and pray, even if only mentally, for the departed.
    The indulgence is plenary each day from the 1st to the 8th of November; on other days of the year it is partial.​
    In order for the indulgence to be plenary, the following conditions must also be met along with the visit and prayers at the cemetery:
    1. Sacramental confession within “about twenty days”[1] of the actual day of the Plenary Indulgence.
    2. Eucharistic Communion on the day of the Plenary Indulgence.
    3. Prayer for the intentions of the Pope on the day of the Plenary Indulgence.
    4. It is further required that all attachment to sin, even venial sin, be absent.[2]
    Taking young people, particularly teenagers, to cemeteries to pray for the dead is a wholesome thing. Young people are not usually aware of their mortality. It’s a good thing to recognize the tombs of the dead…and pray for them.
    Perhaps our culture’s fascination with death and horror movies is related to the fact that young people are isolated from death and prevented from attending funerals. Do you agree? Please leave a comment.
    [1] Apostolic Penitentiary, Prot. N. 39/05/I (18 February 2005).
    [2] If the latter detachment from sin is in any way less than perfect or if the prescribed three conditions are not fulfilled, the indulgence will be partial only. In accordance with the canonical norms 34 and 35 of the Enchiridion of Indulgences (1968), a confessor or bishop can dispense someone of one or two of the norms above.
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  3. PotatoSack

    PotatoSack Powers

    Thanks Miriam. Now my next question is about attachment from all sin...even venial sin. How do we know we are not attached to sin? How long do we need to be in a state of detachment from all sin? just for that day?

    for instance, gambling is probably a sin...or maybe only excessive gambling is? I don't know, but anyway...say you buy maybe a few lottery tickets every day and that is your "vice". It is obviously an attachment for that person and one that may be sinful. So, if the person buys the lottery tickets on that day per their usual routine, is that an attachment to sin that would make this indulgence just partial? Or if they skip it just for that day then they are not attached that day but buy them the next day? I'm just thinking out loud to better understand the "attachment to sin" requirement. Can anyone add anything to this?
  4. Miriam

    Miriam Archangels

    This article may be of some help! (y)

    What is total detachment from sin? More indulgence clarification…

    November 18, 2010 by Anonymous
    Filed under Anonymous, Indulgences, Q and A
    [​IMG]Q: Dear Father Edward, my friends were asking last night about the idea of total detachment from sin as a requirement for plenary indulgence- they were desperate that such a goal is unattainable- total detachment from venial sin- did Father clarify that on the SD site or somewhere else or can you point me to another source to refer to them to guide and comfort their souls. It seems the Church would never offer such a thing if it were not attainable, but these girls take this very seriously and they were downcast in thinking they could not live it out. And I have no ready answer that I am certain of. Can you weigh in with any wisdom?
    A: Your instincts are correct: The Church wouldn’t offer something that is impossible to attain. The Church reminds us in No. 992 of the Code of Canon Law that
    An indulgence is the remission before God of temporal punishment for sins whose guilt is already forgiven, which a properly disposed member of the Christian faithful gains under certain and defined conditions by the assistance of the Church which as minister of redemption dispenses and applies authoritatively the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints.​
    Here it might be helpful to recall what an indulgence isn’t. It is not a license to commit sin, nor does it pardon future sins. It is not the forgiveness of the guilt of a sin; it supposes that the transgression has already been forgiven. Nor does it dispense someone from making restitution; if you stole something, you still have to return the object. An indulgence doesn’t grant immunity from temptation. And you cannot buy an indulgence as a kind of ticket to heaven. Indulgences got a bad reputation because of the abuses related to them which helped trigger the Reformation. But indulgences always have been and still are valid in principle.
    To procure a plenary indulgence one must be in a state of grace at the time the indulgenced work is finished. The faithful must also go to confession, receive Communion (preferably at Mass) and pray for the intentions of the Pope (for instance, an Our Father and a Hail Mary). Sacramental confession may be made up to 20 days before or after performing the act to which an indulgence is attached.
    The requirement for someone to be totally detached from sin needs some explanation. No doubt it is the most difficult condition for obtaining the indulgence. Notably, however, the requirement is not freedom from all sin. Rather, it is freedom from attachment to sin; that is, that there is no sin which the soul is unwilling to renounce. A person should be able to tell if he is fulfilling this condition. An attachment involves a refusal to amend a situation, and a person should be able to tell if he has such an attachment. Sometimes, deep down, we really don’t want to let go of certain sins, be it gossiping or overeating or loafing on the job. This differs from the case of normal human weakness or where a person falls into the same sin many times before overcoming it. To souls such as these the Church is ready to open her treasury of aid.
    Yours in Christ, Father Edward McIlmail, LC
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  5. PotatoSack

    PotatoSack Powers

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  6. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

    Here's an idea. How about everyone on this forum fast tomorrow, Friday, in cooperation with Our Lady of Medjugorje's request. Our intentions can be for everyone on this forum and the poor souls in purgatory. You can count me in!
  7. Mario

    Mario Powers

    I'm in, Fatima, though I will hold RoryRory up in a special way!

    Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
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  8. PotatoSack

    PotatoSack Powers

    I shall try this. I too have RoryRory on my mind and in my prayers.

    I still can't get over the generosity of the plenary indulgence for the dead on all souls day. I never knew it existed. I will be doing it for my dad. I can't wait, as a matter of fact :)
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  9. MomsCalling

    MomsCalling Principalities

    Very informative writing there. The question of gambling or lottery tickets still is hanging there though. If it is a sin (that is the question), and if you intend to buy more tickets or go to a casino again sometime after fulfilling the plenary indulgence requirements, then are you even capable of attaining a plenary indulgence for you or anyone? I ask this in a general way...plug in any sin that we repeatedly, knowingly commit, or any sin which someone does not himself "believe" to be a sin.
    Food for thought I guess.
  10. Rosa

    Rosa New Member

    If I'm not mistaken, can't you get a plenary indulgence for a soul in Purgatory any day of the year, not just on All Souls by completing the requirements for a plenary indulgence? My understanding is you can offer that indulgence for a soul in Purgatory any day (but not for another person still alive on earth.)
  11. Andy3

    Andy3 Powers

    I think you can but on All Souls' Day I think they go to heaven and on other days they receive graces but work is not over.
  12. bona fide

    bona fide Angels

    Plenary Indulgence - General Conditions

    The following "General remarks on Indulgences" from Gift of the Indulgencesummarizes the usual conditions given in the Church's law (cf. Apostolic Penitentiary, Prot. N. 39/05/I):

    1. This is how an indulgence is defined in theCode of Canon Law (can. 992) and in theCatechism of the Catholic Church (n. 1471): "An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints".

    2. In general, the gaining of indulgences requires certainprescribed conditions(below, nn. 3, 4), and the performance of certain prescribed works ..... [in this case, those granted for the Feast of Mercy]

    3. To gain indulgences, whether plenary or partial, it is necessary that the faithful be in the state of grace at least at the time the indulgenced work is completed. [i.e. one must be a Catholic, not excommunicated or in schism.]

    4. A plenary indulgence can be gained onlyonce a day. In order to obtain it, the faithful must, in addition to being in the state of grace:
    ?have the interior disposition ofcomplete detachment from sin, even venial sin;

    have sacramentally confessed their sins;

    receive the Holy Eucharist(it is certainly better to receive it while participating in Holy Mass, but for the indulgence only Holy Communion is required);

    pray for the intentions of the Supreme Pontiff.

    5. It is appropriate, but not necessary, that the sacramental Confession and especially Holy Communion and the prayer for the Pope's intentions take place on the same day that the indulgenced work is performed; but it is sufficient that these sacred rites and prayers be carried out within several days (about 20) before or after the indulgenced act. Prayer for the Pope's intentions is left to the choice of the faithful, but an "Our Father" and a "Hail Mary" are suggested. One sacramental Confession suffices for several plenary indulgences, but a separate Holy Communion and a separate prayer for the Holy Father's intentions are required for each plenary indulgence.

    6. For the sake of those legitimately impeded,confessors can commute both the work prescribed and the conditions required (except, obviously, detachment from even venial sin).

    7. Indulgences can always be applied either to oneself or to the souls of the deceased, but they cannot be applied to other persons living on earth.


  13. Rosa

    Rosa New Member

    But Andy, if you receive a plenary indulgence and offer it for a soul in Purgatory, that soul goes to heaven. Period. No matter what time of the year it is granted. A partial indulgence will cause someone to receive graces but a plenary indulgence remits all temporal punishment for sin. Plenary Indulgences aren't limited to All Soul's Day.
  14. HOPE

    HOPE Guest

    This is from the eighth day of the Divine Mercy novena, but I say this prayer often.


    “Today bring Me THE SOULS WHO ARE IN THE PRISON OF PURGATORY and immerse them in the abyss of My mercy. Let the torrents of My Blood cool down their scorching flames. All these souls are greatly loved by Me. They are making retribution to My justice. It is in your power to bring them relief. Draw all the indulgences from the treasury of My Church and offer them on their behalf. Oh, if you only knew the torments they suffer, you would continually offer for them the alms of the spirit and pay off their debt to My justice.”

    Most Merciful Jesus, You Yourself have said that You desire mercy; so I bring into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart the souls in Purgatory, souls who are very dear to You, and yet who must make retribution to Your justice. May the streams of Blood and Water which gushed forth from Your Heart put out the flames of the purifying fire, that in that place, too, the power of Your mercy may be praised.

    From the terrible heat of the cleansing fire
    Rises a cry to Your mercy,
    And they receive comfort, refreshment, relief
    In the stream of mingled Blood and Water.

    Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon the souls in Purgatory, who are enfolded in the Most Compassionate Heart of Jesus. I beg You, by the sorrowful Passion of Jesus Your Son, and by all the bitterness with which His most sacred Soul was flooded, manifest Your mercy to the souls who are under Your just scrutiny. Look upon them in no other way than through the wounds of Jesus. Your dearly beloved Son; for we firmly believe that there is no limit to Your goodness and compassion. (AMEN)
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  15. Mac

    Mac Guest

    Holy Souls month ,coming up..

  16. Mac

    Mac Guest

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  17. Mac

    Mac Guest

    A sermon perhaps [but not for the tepid/timid]...
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  18. Timothius722

    Timothius722 Archangels

    Thank yall for your video presentations and teachings on purgatory. It is a great treasure of knowledge that yall present for contemplation and action. Our time grows short...thanks for the reminder.
  19. PotatoSack

    PotatoSack Powers

    according to what I have read, the plenary indulgence is only available Nov 1 - 8th. Otherwise, a partial indulgence is gained for the soul in purgatory. I've put the link below.

    I'm going to confession early next week to do this for my Dad. I can't wait!
  20. Andy3

    Andy3 Powers

    I think I told this story on this board once but don't know and it fits in this thread. In 2003 my father in law died suddenly at the age of 60 of a heart attack. I do not know much about him and his spiritual beliefs but I do know he was a troubled man with a troubled past. Earlier this year as I was being called back to God and coming back to the church, I had a dream one evening. In the dream the whole family was all gathered at my house getting ready to have dinner. All of a sudden there was a knock at the door. I went to answer it, and it was my father in law. I knew in the dream he was dead and of course I invited him in. He looked different. His body was of a much younger man, his face was smooth but his hair was stil old and white and even though his face looked younger with no wrinkles, he still looked like an old man. No one at the house seemed to notice he was there but me. I began to ask him why he looked younger except his face. He told me that he has a lot of work to do still and his face is this way to remind him of all he had done on earth and to remind him of what he still needed to do to be worthy of God. I asked him if he wanted to come and say hi to everyone else. I don't remember if he said no or if I just knew that he was only here to see me. He asked me to pray for him and that is all I remember. Back on the 10 yr anniversary of his death, we had a mass for him. I also spent an hour for him in adoration that week and I really feel I need to do an indulgence for him coming up. It was quite the dream and experience for sure and really fortified a belief in purgatory that I did not know that I really had prior to this experience.

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