Pope Francis supports gay civil unions

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  1. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Now I understand!:)(y)
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  2. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    well said Delours!
  3. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    I completed concur AED. This SSA is a cross for both the person with SSA and the family who loves them, but hates the sin. It is to my mind a similar anology to Abraham and Issac. Abraham was tested . God asked him to offer up his on son and Abraham in obedience to the Lord was regrettably going to obey...but then the Lord intervened and stopped Abraham at the last second. Issac was saved and Abraham proved his love and loyalty to God.
    We also must be willing to refuse to accept a love ones SSA lifestyle...as much as we love them...in obedience and love of God.
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  4. Mario

    Mario Powers

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  5. BrianK

    BrianK Proud2bRC Staff Member


    Documentary Trailer for Francesco Reveals a Deeper, More Dangerous Agenda

    Steve Skojec October 27, 2020 0 Comments

    Catholics have been brawling for about a week now over the pope’s comments, released in the new documentary Francesco, in support of homosexual civil unions. Some stragglers, apparently immune to reality and all its pomps, are still in denial over the unprecedented support shown by Francis for these “gravely immoral” (the Church’s words, not mine) unions. Meanwhile, no less of a figure than Archbishop Viganò says he believes Francis is trying to lureorthodox bishops into condemning his remarks in such a way that he can force a schism, with faithful Catholics falsely portrayed as enemies of the pope.

    I’ve offered my own in-depth breakdown of the issues here.

    Setting the controversy around this single topic aside, however, a trailer for the recently released documentary — one that likely would have faded quickly into obscurity if not for the headline-grabbing quote about civil unions — shows a film that is taking very targeted political shots at hot button issues for the progressive Left, all with the help of the Bergoglian papacy. (Remember that the pope not only knows about this film, he had a birthday party for the director and gave him an awardfor his work.)

    Take a look at the trailer for yourself:

    In comments made originally at the Italy Daily Libero, Catholic author and journalist Antonio Socci breaks down some of the political messages that come through in the trailer.

    But first, Socci added a brief prologue to this column at his own blog on October 25th, and these bear repeating here:

    Just this morning, Bergoglio has announced the creation of 13 new cardinals (of whom 9 are electors). They are all ultra-Bergoglians. The hasty announcement at this moment, right on the eve of the US election, is significant: Trump has strong momentum and now the Bergoglian Vatican is very afraid that he may be re-elected. Bergoglio, along with the entire globalist establishment, has declared war on Trump. If Trump really wins, then this pontificate, which is already in sharp decline, would be finished indeed, since it has crushed itself on China and been totally discredited. In the pro-Biden propaganda film that I talk about in this article, right at the end Cardinal Tagle is blatantly promoted as the one Bergoglio wants as his successor. Everything is explicit. By naming the nine new cardinal-electors today, Bergoglio wants to ensure the result of the next conclave.

    It may seem odd for an Italian journalist to place so much emphasis on the American presidential election. It has struck a number of Americans as odd that Archbishop Viganò, too, has focused so much on this election, even as he warns about the deep spiritual corruption in the Church.

    But there is a real international import to what happens in the United States a week from now. As the saying goes, “As America goes, so goes the world.” Ours is a far from perfect nation that appears to be quite rapidly collapsing from within, but it retains a core of freedom-loving people desirous of a moral society and the flourishing of natural virtue.

    That alone sets it apart from most of the West. That, and its overwhelming influence in international finance and affairs.

    As Viganò boldly proclaimed last month, President Trump holds a primary “role in the national and international context,” and his mission is “decisive … in the epochal confrontation that has been unfolding in recent months.”

    The former nuncio to the US makes the reasons for the rabid opposition to Trump’s re-election clear:

    It is well understood that the hatred against Trump – which is not dissimilar to what happens in Italy in the face of much softer members of the opposition – finds its real motivation in the awareness of his fundamental role in the battle against the Deep State and all of its internal and external ramifications. His courageous denunciation of Communism – of which Antifa and BLM are the global versions while the Chinese dictatorship is the incubator – serves in some measure to remedy the silence of the Church, which despite the heartfelt appeals of the Blessed Virgin Mary at Fatima and La Salette has preferred not to renew its condemnation of this infernal ideology. And if Bishop Sanchez Sorondo can declare with impunity, against all the evidence, that China is the best implementer of the social doctrine of the Church, we can rejoice over the words of the President of the United States and the no less courageous words of his Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

    Cardinal Gerhard Müller, former prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, offered his own assessmentof the US election shortly thereafter, and it is one that echoes the bold words of Archbishop Viganò:

    “The outcome of the U.S. election,” Müller says, “will determine whether the U.S. remains the leading power in the world — for freedom and democracy — or whether a communist dictatorship will assume that role for the global community.”

    Whatever one thinks of Donald Trump, it seems increasingly clear, as new riots threaten to overwhelm the police in Philadelphia, and vengeful Leftists are working on a scheme to pack the US Supreme Court in retaliation for the confirmation of Justice Amy Coney Barrett, that the stakes really are that high. The pretense of respect for the rule of law has been discarded; we exist now in a state of perpetual rebellion against order and reason. As we stand at this denouement of a decades-long cultural revolution, the phrase “epochal change” appears less hyperbolic by the hour.

    Read the rest at the link
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  6. Fede

    Fede Archangels

    You bring up something That I have never thought of period and by consequence I now fear for a child I miscarried years ago..I assumed he was in heaven... I'm very confused and a bit dstraught. Are you saying that children who are not "born" are not in heaven? Who can I ask?
  7. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    The Catechism says that we trust unbaptised babies to the mercy of God. God is all merciful. When children are baptised their parents and sponsor make the profession of faith on their behalf. God knew that the baby He created in your womb would not have the opportunity to be baptised nor the opportunity to accept or reject Him in adulthood, and God creates nobody with the purpose and intent of punishing them. You can rest assured that the Lord who created your child and loves that child more than you can imagine will see to it that your baby never knows suffering.
  8. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I'm confident that they are in Heaven. My point, which I might not have made very clear, is that the Church has never made this explicit because it might have led to abortion being too easily justified-the ghouls could claim that they were merely sending the babies to Heaven-I have heard in fact that in France abortionists have been called 'Angel Makers' ('Faiseuses d'Anges'). I think it is an example of the great wisdom of the Church which extends over all the centuries. Don't forget that Christ wishes your child to be with Him infinitely more than even you do.
  9. Mario

    Mario Powers


    My wife has miscarried twice: once between our second and third-born, and after our sixth child. We prayed and named the first, Nathan, and the second, Elizabeth. I accept the hesitancy of the Church to make a definitive decision concerning our miscarried children. However, I once read a story of a young boy who had a near death experience, went to heaven temporarily, and met his older sister. The boy's Mom had miscarried and never told her subsequent son about his sister! So the Mom was truly shocked, when a couple months after returning from his NDE, the boy mentioned meeting his sister!

    A funny story: our Patrick was born 14 months after Nathan miscarried. We didn't explain it to Patrick until he was six. At that age, he figured out the unusual timing and for about a year after that discovery, and under his own initiative, he added the following to his night prayers: "Thank you, Nathan for dying, because if you hadn't, I wouldn't be here!"

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  10. Fede

    Fede Archangels

    Thank you..we also named our child Agostino. 'Ive always assumed he's in heaven. I was not aware of the Church's position on this. What is causing me some grief is a dream a nephew of our's had a few years ago but I hadn't realized that my baby may not be in heaven until I read this here. Our nephew was having trouble with exams in university and was very worried. His cousin and our niece had taken her own life a few years prior to that and went to him in a dream. She told him that God showed her what she should have done with her life (among other things) and told him he could do the work and to just focus. He then asked her where she was and if she was alone. She said
    She was "waiting" and that she was with a little boy who was keeping her company. The next morning he asked his mother if I had lost a child. My nephew never knew about the miscarriage- it was way before he was born. You can imagine our shock. But today when I read that, all of a sudden I remembered that she had said he was keeping her company...and since she took her own life I got frightened. But then we don't know how things work on the other side....maybe God is showing her mercy and allowing him to keep her company but he's really in heaven? I will pray for him and trust in God's mercy and love.
  11. AED

    AED Powers

    I believe with all my heart that your baby is with the Lord. If the little boy was Agostino then God in His kindness permitted him to go keep your niece company--a very loving thing to do. Love is beyond time and God's mercy "is above all his works". Agostino is busy in heaven taking care of all his beloved family on earth--praying and interceding.
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  12. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    "Waiting" sounds like your niece is in Purgatory, occupancy of which always culminates in entrance to Heaven. As you say, we don't know how things work in the next life and it might be a common thing for saints, which is what your son is, to keep company in Purgatory with their loved ones. It seems to me your nephew was the recipient of a great consoling grace, for you and all your family.
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  13. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    This is worth a listen if you have interest in these claims by the world wide media of Pope Francis supposedly blessing gay marriage. There is more to this than meets the eye.


    In this week’s episode, editors JD Flynn and Ed Condon discuss a documentary film that appears to show footage of Pope Francis giving his support to same-sex civil unions. They also talk about the Vatican’s recent renewal of the controversial China deal; an extended plenary indulgence; and much more.
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