Pope Francis covered up McCarrick abuse, former US nuncio testifies

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  1. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Surely that time of suffering is right now.
    No one can dispute that.
  2. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The third message of Our Lady of Akita on October 13, 1973 : My dear daughter, listen well to what I have to say to you. You will inform your superior.” After a short silence: As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity.

    It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead.


    The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests. The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops.

    The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other priests); churches and altars will be sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

    The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them. With courage, speak to your superior.

    He will know how to encourage each one of you to pray and to accomplish works of reparation. It is Bishop Ito, who directs your community. And She smiled and then said: You have still something to ask? Today is the last time that I will speak to you in living voice. From now on you will obey the one sent to you and your superior.

    Pray very much the prayers of the Rosary. I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved. “My child, they converse of the secret that I gave at Fatima. It is a simple explanation.

    It could not be fully revealed because of the drastic nature of My message. How I warned and warned that Satan would enter into the highest realms of the hierarchy in Rome. The Third Secret, My child, is that Satan would enter into My Son’s Church.” – Our Lady of the Roses, May 13, 1978. Lady of Akita
  3. archangel michael

    archangel michael Moderator

    The question is.. what do men of goodwill do? Some sort of action must take place by the faithful if our shepherds have betrayed us, heaven, and Our Lord.

    I know the standard answer...pray. And yes we need to pray and live in a state of grace.

    But if we have been betrayed, and these churchmen are worshipping Lucifer, and are intentionally destroying the Faith. Then men of goodwill must take action.
  4. HeavenlyHosts

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    Our Lady of the Roses is a condemned site
    It is Bayside and it is from condemned apparitions
    (Your last paragraph)
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  5. Immaculata

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  6. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

  7. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    According to Cardinal Cupich there is nothing to see here, the business of the Pope goes on; addressing global warming, migrant issues and carrying on the work of the Church. Not going down rabbit holes.


    Bottom line: “the criteria for credible allegations are more than fulfilled”
    Posted on 28 August 2018 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf
    The MSM and catholic media are running their feet off carrying water for the homosexual mafia, the “gay lobby” as it is called in Italian with borrow words. The general lines of attack against The Viganò Testimony and the support that it has received are predictable.

    First, they attack Viganò’s character. That backfires a bit. I saw a hilarious tweet from the liberal LCWR type nun – who gossiped back to Beans – that, in a talk, Viganò tried to divide them rather than bring them into unity – which is really an admission that they were already divided before he got there.

    Also, they repeat – mantra like – that this is all about homophobia and getting even.

    B as in B. S as in S.

    Normal people see what is going on.

    Fishwrap has a story (above other stories about the sun rising in the East and water being found to be wet) today which blats that:

    US cardinals reject Vatican diplomat’s claims of widespread cover-up of abuse

    Which Cardnials? Let’s guess. Could they be Cardinals Wuerl, Tobin and Cupich?

    On always objective NBC Card. Cupich proclaimed that Francis has better things to do.

    The Pope Has a Bigger Agenda“: Cardinal Cupich
    Cardinal Blase Cupich speaks to NBC 5’s Mary Ann Ahern about the explosive allegations of a former high-ranking church official who claims the Pope knew about charges of sexual misconduct against an American cardinal and says that cardinal was responsible for Cupich’s appointment in Chicago. “The Pope has a bigger agenda,” Cardinal Cupich said. “He’s got to get on with other things, of talking about the environment and protecting migrants and carrying on the work of the church. We’re not going to go down a rabbit hole on this.”

    So, a global scandal about a homosexual network and the global cover up of clerical abuse – scandals which, by the way – are rocking the faithful to their bones – are not really a big deal. No no… it’s global warming. Global warming was caused by clericalism, after all!

    The story also cites those bishop who are opening to believing Viganò’s claims.

    Here’s a good one.

    At La Stampa, Andrea “Wormtongue” Tornielli has gone so far as the insist that McCarrick’s sex plaything were of legal age, that he didn’t coerce them and that, therefore its the fault of… wait for it… clericalism.

    It is worth remembering: no one has ever spoken, let alone denounced, about child abuse. [Except those who did.] We are talking about harassment of people of full age, which – given that it is the bishop who invites his seminarians or priests to bed, are actually an abuse. There is no such thing as a situation of equality, before it being a sexual abuse, it is an abuse of clerical power. Although no one has ever said that to invite seminarians close to the priesthood and young priests to sleep with him, “Uncle Ted? (as McCarrick called himself) used forms of violence or threats.

    No no… nothing queer about what was going on. It’s clericalism. THAT’s the problem!

    In all of this, it seems to me, facts remain stubborn.

    First, contrary to the efforts of the MSM and catholic media, Viganò has clarified with documents what happened about his alleged effort to slow or stop the Neinstedt situation. HERE

    As Bp. Morlino pointed out, and as even Fishwrap had to admit, putting aside questions raised about Viganò’s person:

    Viganò has offered a number of concrete, real allegations … Thus, the criteria for credible allegations are more than fulfilled, and an investigation, according to proper canonical procedures, is certainly in order.
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  8. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    What we need are a lot of people putting together the dots such as Dr Taylor Marshall has done with Pope BXVI resignation and Vigano's assignments. We simply must show the timeline of events in the Church that is public information and hold these men accountable. We can not take no for an answer. We are duty bound to expose and root out this evil.

    There are a myriad of Church documents in the PA report as well that need to be considered in light of the bigger picture.
  9. BrianK

    BrianK Proud2bRC Staff Member

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  10. AED

    AED Powers

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  11. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Apart from prayer, we must become more selective with our money. Without money from the mugs on the pews, lavish lifestyles and compensation payments will become much more difficult to finance. Few wish to sponsor sodomy.

    The time seems to be approaching when the media decide that the fall of a pope serves their strategy more than the status quo. This is, in itself, a satanic strategy, but, with the help of God, it may prove to bring results directly opposite to those intended. What the results turn out to be are difficult to imagine and out of every sinner's control. Jesus Christ is firmly in control.

    I noticed a photograph of a group with McCarrick in 2012, including Archbishop Vigano. What does this prove? It is a private group, his sanctions extended to his public activities. In charity, was it not to be assumed he was repentant and not to be denied the occasional private company of responsible and invulnerable human beings? I didn't see any potential grooming material, least of all the lady. The most it proves is that Pope Benedict was possibly far too soft.
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  12. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    As you mentioned it proves only what the sanctions were about - we don't know the exact content, but the goal of the sanctions was probably to limit McCarrick movements away from young adult priests. And they probably also limited his public appearances, which does not mean he was not allowed to be in some public Church events. This is just common sense but many are using this to discredit Vigano.

    No body really seems to be thinking that maybe, just maybe!, Vigano is doing this out of true love for Christ, his Church, and specially for the Pope and those lost souls surrounding him. Indeed, if the accusations are true, and if as it appears, the Pope wants to lead the Church into a suicidal heretical route, what Vigano is doing for the Pope, the firmness of his accusations, are but the greatest act of charity probably a human being ever did for Jorge Bergoglio - because it brings him the opportunity to repent and amend his derailed direction and save many souls with him.

    So why should we judge Vigano as having the worst possible intentions? as playing politics? as wanting to divide us? The Lord was also severe against the high priests and the scribes, yet out of love for them, and to prevent the spread of evil, and not because He was playing politics or wanted to divide and win.

    Isn´t this what Vigano is 'maybe' trying to do, isn't it!

    Let's pray so that Vigano's action bear good fruit...
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  13. In his testimony, Archbishop prefaces his statements about Pope Francis with this sobering sentence: My conscience requires me also to reveal facts that I have experienced personally, concerning
    Pope Francis, that have a dramatic significance, which as Bishop, sharing the collegial responsibility of all the bishops for the universal Church, do not allow me to remain silent, and that I state here, ready to reaffirm them under oath by calling on God as my witness.

    Making an oath with God as witness is as strong of a statement that a person may make, this statement alone gives his testimony credence.
  14. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Yes we must pray, Jarg
    You are correct that the picture does not prove anything nefarious on the part of Viganò
    He had knowledge as part of his religious life of the people he mentioned in his 11-page dossier
    I believe the Holy Spirit guided him along the way
    He put 2+2 together and actually came up with 4 instead of 5 :D
    He traveled in Church circles and figured things out
    I keep coming back to his motives where he asserts he is an old man and wants a clear conscience (good judgment) when he goes to God
    That would be my motivation as well, as a Catholic Christian
    There are folks out there who just don’t get that concept, I see
    Btw, my family and I met Cardinal McCarrick in 2000 when he was first assigned to the Archdiocese of Washington
    He was at our parish

    I have said this before on the forum
    He was very affable and he shook everyone’s hands in the line
    What if we were photographed with him:eek::LOL:
  15. HeavenlyHosts

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  16. soldier of christ

    soldier of christ Archangels

    Just a thought... should we as the church militant ask of our own local Bishop to openly voice an opinion. IMHO, silence right now from them all is almost as bad.
  17. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    My own local Bishop is Cardinal Wuerl :eek:
    But there are several bishops who are now being very outspoken against these evils
    My pastor is offering a Mass of Atonement tomorrow evening
    All invited
    We need these on a diocesan scale
    Good suggestion , SoC.
    Pope St Leo IX ( I think his number was IX)
    Stated that if we condone sodomy in the clergy then we ourselves are culpable
    He said this in response to St Peter Damian’s
    Expose of sodomy in the Church
  18. BrianK

    BrianK Proud2bRC Staff Member


    Now That It's Safe and Five Years Late, Michael Voris Okays Criticism of Francis Featured

    Written by Chris Jackson | Remnant Columnist


    In 2014 Church Militant website, run by Michael Voris, stated the following:

    “Ecclesiastical porn”, such as what is found…in allegedly faithful Catholic publications such as The Remnant and Catholic Family News, discourages those struggling to remain faithful to the Catholic Church as well as those considering conversion to the Catholic Church.

    And what is “ecclesiastical porn?” Church Militant’s current website describes it below:

    It is our judgment that most Catholics should neither read nor have easy access to articles and essays that could be judged critical of the Pope. Such writings should be published and reserved for those capable of engaging them without risk of damage to their faith in the Church and the Vicar of Christ. We make these recommendations for the same reasons that we discourage people from visiting sedevacantist and pornography web sites: They are potential occasions of sin, from which masters of the spiritual life are unanimous in their recommendation of "flight" rather than "fight." They lead people to think or do things they would not otherwise have thought or done and, almost without exception, those things are harmful to one's spiritual life. At least one priest has described websites containing such articles and encouraging such themes as "ecclesiastical porn" (see "Christ is the Point"). We call it "spiritual pornography."

    Church Militant goes on to say the following:

    While we greatly admire and are the beneficiaries of the work of those on whose shoulders we stand in the work to help restore the Catholic Church to its authentic glory, we can neither support nor encourage their ongoing, unnecessary and harmful attacks on the Church and the Holy Father…Who benefits from attacks on the Rock on whom Our Lord established His Church (Matt. 16:18)?

    A line must be drawn when it comes to criticism of the Holy Father, even when he says or does things that would invite appropriate criticism when said or done by those of lower ecclesiastical rank. Errant priests and bishops can be replaced. The Pope cannot….

    No good is served by giving people the impression that the Pope is not Catholic, even if it can be alleged that there is reason to believe that he is not. "Ecclesiastical porn," such as what is found on hard and soft sedevacantist websites and in allegedly faithful Catholic publications, discourages those struggling to remain faithful to the Catholic Church as well as those considering conversion to the Catholic Church…Church Militant will not engage in public criticism of the Pope. Period.

    About Face

    Fast forward to the present. Revelations contained in Abp. Vigano’s recent statement allege that Pope Francis covered up for Cardinal Theodore McCarrick’s sexual abuse and should resign. At this point Voris is not only ok with spiritual porn, he has turned into the Larry Flynt of spiritual porn. The spiritual centerfold of this week’s CMTV publications is an hour long video entitled, WATCH: POPE FRANCIS MUST RESIGN: ‘A CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE’ (A Damning Indictment).

    This is an interesting title as an hour long video could also be made about CMTV’s conspiracy of silence in the face of Pope Francis’ heresy, apostasy, sacrilege, and blasphemy over the last five years. But, not to fear. Michael Voris understands why people might be confused over his doing a 180 overnight on this all important issue, so he put out a recent video to explain himself.

    In it, Voris states:

    Given the horror that has increasingly seized hold of the Church these past 50 years — and which has climbed to unimaginable heights under the pontificate of Pope Francis — now is the appropriate moment for the laity to offer comment, which we are rightly allowed to do according to canon law.

    Yes, now is the appropriate moment. Five years into the Bergoglian horror show, Voris will finally reveal to CMTV viewers that Francis was Pennywise the whole time. For Voris has suddenly discovered a right under canon law for the laity to comment on the pope’s systematic ruination of the Church! Never mind that this “right” under canon law has been in the code for at least 25 years.

    But wait, there’s more:

    As many people know, Church Militant has taken great pains in the past to avoid public criticism of Pope Francis with regard to various confusing theological writings, interviews and off-the-cuff remarks.

    Out of respect for the office of Pope, and so as not to induce scandal, we have dutifully left the work of publicly analyzing his theological content to those above us, more qualified to address those things specifically and those responses we have covered in great detail.

    Likewise, we have made a point of steering far clear of any disrespectful or uncharitable comments denigrating the Holy Father owing to his theological pronouncements — but that was in the arena of theology.

    The homosexual clerical sex abuse scandal and resulting cover-up is not theological at its foundation, but moral.

    And in this arena, the laity are absolutely duty-bound to speak up, for while we may not all be theologians, each one of us is a moral being and will be judged by Our Blessed Lord on how faithfully we have lived in accord with that objective morality.

    Where to even begin?

    First, Voris has the matter completely backwards. Heresy and sins against Faith are far more serious and of a higher order than immorality. This is especially true for a pope, whose very job it is to pass down the Faith, whole and entire, to the faithful. The sin of heresy has the potential to put one, even a pope, out of the Church and make one no longer even a Catholic. On the other hand, personal mortal sin, while depriving one of the state of grace, does not sever one completely from the Church.

    In comparison, as justifiably angry as Voris is upon finding out that Francis covered up the horrid sexual abuse of Cardinal McCarrick, this act cannot, in and of itself, deprive Francis of the papacy. Therefore, the correct course all along, has been to point out to the faithful each and every error of Francis’ “magisterium” in order to warn them that we are not dealing with a Shepard but a wolf. For only a wolf could teach error that leads souls to Hell and present it as the teaching of the Church.

    Second, Voris is saying the laity can now finally publicly comment on Francis’ morality because we are not theology experts, but we are “moral beings.” Does it really take a theological expert to understand that the countless things Francis has said regarding theology are not Catholic? For example, do we really need an S.T.D from the Gregorian in order to publicly say the following statements and acts of Francis are wrong?



    Read the rest at the link
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  19. HeavenlyHosts

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    I actually loved the CM video and I am sad that a Remnant columnist has tastelessly compared Voris to Larry Flynt. Michael Voris has been very courageous imho. He is not perfect. I’ll bet Chris Jackson isn’t either. Tacky article imho
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  20. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    I agree with the article.
    Im just glad Voris is now onboard, sort of.

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