Moynihan Letters after Meeting Vigano

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  1. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    His mission is not through. That is what I believe for sure.
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  2. AED

    AED Powers

    I hope you are right.
  3. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes Fatima. This is pretty much my plan too. Today is the beginning of Cardinal Burke's call for prayer and fasting.
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  4. padraig

    padraig Powers

    This homily reminds me of the ones I used to hear as a child.:):)

    So very,very wrong to hear them now. So sad.

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  5. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    From Dr. Moynihan's latest letter:

    When I met with Pope Francis on June 23, 2013, he asked me about Cardinal McCarrick, and I told him there was a thick dossier on him. But then he asked me a second question, about the Jesuits. He wanted to know my opinion about the Jesuits in America. And I told him of my many concerns…—Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, in a conversation with me in September 2019

    And that conversation is why I began to make a more detailed study of the history of the Jesuit order — because the Pope, who was himself a Jesuit, had asked me precisely that question. And I now believe that, in order to understand what has happened to the Catholic Church in recent decades, and to understand the mind of Pope Francis, we must understand what has happened to the Jesuits.

    The Jesuits were the pre-eminent order in the Church. They did incredible things. Following St. Ignatius of Loyola, for almost 500 years ago they served as the disciplined, loyal guardians of Christian doctrine and faithfully served each Pope.

    I myself studied in a Jesuit high school in Milan. I am who I am due in part to the example and encouragement of many Jesuit fathers. They formed me.

    But something happened to the Jesuits, and we must understand what happened to understand the present crisis of the Church. Thinking that by political activism they would incarnate their Christian mission in an ever more profound way, they lost their way.

    Now, except for a minority of exceptions, they no longer carry out that high calling which made them the support of Popes for more than 400 years.

    Now a complete restoration of the order to its former greatness is needed. Otherwise, it would be better if the order were again suppressed by the Pope.—Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, in a conversation with me in September 2019
    You can read the rest at the link provided above. Poor Archbishop Vigano made what he and others have discovered to be a catastrophic mistake: he told Pope Francis the truth.
  6. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Just like the old days! And short enough so you don't fall asleep or get the point.
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  7. padraig

    padraig Powers

    'To comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable'.
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  8. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    My pastor always threw in that you could leave the parking lot after Mass and get killed in a car accident and you could go to Hell
    It afflicted the comfortable!
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  9. SteveD

    SteveD Archangels

    Today's Gospel reading (Lazarus and Dives) was a golden opportunity for priests to remind people about the reality and the horror of hell. I didn't expect our priest to use this opportunity to do so but I did hope that he might. He didn't, he told us about our duty to help 'refugees'. He did mention others in need but the particular needs of 'refugees' are his constant theme in homilies. Much as I do recognise that genuine refugees deserve our help (thinking particularly of oppressed Christians from the Middle East), the assumption that all those claiming the status are genuine cases rather than opportunistic economic migrants (who can't be blamed for trying) is a depressing and, to me, clear departure from reality.
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  10. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    We had something similar but a veiled reference to torments. Not nearly enough.
  11. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

  12. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

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  13. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    I came in to the forum to post the Vigano interview tapes and found the first video already posted. Here is the second short video.

    They are either crazy or apocalyptic. Either way they certainly should be viewed and maybe discussed from a Catholic point of view.

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  14. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    The videos for the Vigano interview are shown as Tape 1, Tape 2 etc. Posting Tape 3 as Tape one and Tape 2 are posted above. It appears there is a series of 18 short duration video tapes to be published.

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  15. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    Posting Tape 4 from the Vigano interview.

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  16. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    Tape 5 from the Vigano interview.
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  17. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    Tape 6 from the Vigano interview.

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  18. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Thank you, Julia.
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  19. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    I hope it is ok to post the videos on the forum. I subscribed and clicked the bell but have not had notification...yet, so sharing all those already published.

    I do have the highest regard for Dr Moynihan, and my gut tells me he thinks it is worth risking his reputation to share this information with us all. My instinct tells me, he is scared about what is going on in the world and in the Church. We just need to keep watch and pray, and above all else trust Jesus Christ and Blessed Mother, and all will be well.
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  20. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member


    Having met with him and talked with him at length several weeks ago, I would say your gut instincts are right on. (I’m currently volunteering with him and Inside the Vatican.)

    He is very perceptive, plays his cards close to his chest, and has deep contacts within the Vatican, not all of whom would be in agreement with each other, it seems.
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