Locutions to the World

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  1. pazahitepu

    pazahitepu New Member

    I really can't believe some people are still thinking these messages could be true even after having read my post. You missed it? Here it goes.

    It's now my turn. I've been following these messages for more than a year, I fully believed them and I warned everyone I know about the latest prophecy. Obviously nothing happened. Consequently, after having followed my warning:
    - Some people got scared.
    - Some people lost money.
    - Some people now thinks I'm an idiot or a lunatic.

    I've lost all of my credibility. Thus, when I'll have to warn others about Medjugorje or Garabandal secrets, or the Antichrist, nobody will believe me, they will say: here is the one who wrongly predicted an economic collapse at the end of September.

    Consequently, after having put many efforts into sharing these messages, now I'll put the same efforts into demolishing them, so that as I lost credibility, then they'll also lose it. I'll do this as long as this thread will be active, so that few will be damaged from reading these messages. Let's begin.

    3. The Pope's Visit and the Collapse

    BY LOCUTIONS EDITOR ON 09/03/2015

    I cannot say that the economic collapse [when these latest messages talk about a collapse, what do they mean? Simple, an economic collapse. Do no forget this!!!] is distant when really it is near, or that it will be short when really it will be long, or that it will be easy, when really it will be quite difficult. Only truth gives the light needed for hope. So, I will now speak words of truth.
    ...
    The collapse will not come before Pope Francis comes to America but it will happen while he is in America [what a lie. The economic collapse should have occurred WHILE Francis was in the USA. No economic collapse occurred]. I deliberately brought the Pope to America, the world’s financial center, to be here when it takes place [no economic collapse occurred while Francis was in the USA!]. I want him to be part of the picture. I want him to be present. His presence in America will be my sign that the Church is very important in saving mankind from its own follies [everyone appreciated Francis in the USA, but he hadn't to speak about an economic collapse, because IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!]. Toward the end of his trip, he will have to shift his message and address the new world situation [Here it talks about a NEW WORLD SITUATION which should have started WHILE FRANCIS WAS IN THE USA. Obviously nothing changed. Still war in Syria, still refugees, still ups & downs in the stock market, still everything else. Nothing new while he was in the USA. Obviously Francis DID NOT SHIFT HIS MESSAGE at the end of his trip, because there hasn't been a new world situation WHILE HE WAS IN THE USA! Is this clear enough?]. In this way, I will begin to exalt the Church as a beacon of light in the darkness.
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    4. A Flood – But Not Noah's

    BY LOCUTIONS EDITOR ON 09/04/2015

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    I have so much to teach. I do not expect you to understand on your own! I do expect you to act according to the words I give you [I've acted according to what theme messages predicted, an economic collapse and a NEW WORLD SITUATION WHILE FRANCIS WAS IN THE USA. Now my credibility is ruined, and some people lost money!].

    4. The Effects of the Final Warning

    BY LOCUTIONS EDITOR ON 09/08/2015

    I have opened my heart and spoken my words for all the world to know. I have not held back nor have I softened the message. This collapse, although not the end, is the final warning [Wrong, wrong, Wrong. The final Warning will be the Warning from Garabandal or the Miracle before the Chastisement, or the first Medjugorje secrets! And not an economic collapse!]. What do these words mean, “Final Warning”?
    First, there will be no further warning, no more moments when the Heavenly Father keeps back the deluge [Wrong! What About the Warning or the Miracle of Garabandal? What about Medjugorje secrets? This is a failed prophecy, because no economic collapse happened.]. Second, the decisions made after the collapse will be much more important than the decisions made before [No one had to make a decision, because no collapse occurred while Francis was in the USA!]. Do not bemoan what has happened. Do not wail over the past. A warning, especially the final warning [Again, how could this possibly be a final warning?], is a great gift. A warning shows there is still hope, that action can be taken and that all is not lost.

    1. The Role of Pope Francis

    BY LOCUTIONS EDITOR ON 09/09/2015

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    He will not be the Pope who will consecrate Russia to my Immaculate Heart (This task will fall to his successor.) [Then why, with the election of Francis, these messages stated that Francis would have been the one who would have consecrated Russia? Another failed prophecy? It appears to be so] However, he will be the Pope that helps the Church accept the graces flowing from this final warning.
    ...

    2. Millions Will Listen

    BY LOCUTIONS EDITOR ON 09/10/2015

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    During these years, many have learned about my locutions and have become zealous in reading and spreading them. However, when compared to all the world, their number is quite small. When the events begin, many, many more will look to these little locutions for the light and hope which they so much need.
    I will not disappoint them [What a big lie. I'm actually one of the most disappointed and saddened man on the Earth after having given credibility to these messages. Now no one will now believe me, and some people lost money]. The locutions will become stronger and filled with the greatest light [another failed prophecy. These messages are now weaker than ever]. I will know everyone whom they are helping. I will direct my words to their individual situations. Only the Woman could do this. I will speak simple words to millions and yet my words will be individual, touching each one’s heart.
    Thousands will read today’s locution. After the event, millions will read them [big failed prophecy: after this non-event, if initially thousands were allegedly readers of these messages, now these will be read only by the locutionist and his 5-6 friends], so great will be the graces that I pour out.
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  2. pazahitepu

    pazahitepu New Member

    3. Cana – The First Sign

    BY LOCUTIONS EDITOR ON 09/11/2015

    No time to waste. Do not delay. Do not say, “Let us see if all of this happens as Our Lady has said” [I should have thought: who cares if these are real or not, I won't believe them anyway]. Is not my word firm? [No!] Do I not speak to prepare my children? Others might question but my children must believe [I believed these messages, I was a "child of the locutions" according to these messages, and now I lost my credibility and life of some of my other friends was almost ruined].
    Second, the collapse will not come out of the blue. The signs of economic difficulties have already appeared. The experts study the trends and try to explain the causes. However, although the collapse will certainly be due to human causes, what will happen cannot be forecasted by human experts. Their minds do not see the extent to which the economic structures have been weakened nor can they predict the responses to the initial difficulties. All that you need to know is that an economic collapse will take place while the Holy Father is in the United States [wrong, wrong, WRONG! NO ECONOMIC COLLAPSE HAPPENED WHILE FRANCIS WAS IN THE USA! DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT AN ECONOMIC COLLAPSE IS?].
    Third, I have deliberately brought him to these shores so that the events will be associated with his visit [No one will associate the Pope with an economic collapse, because that event didn't take place! Go ask some random guys in the street if they think otherwise]. This is my clear sign of the role of the Holy Father and of the Catholic Church in the reconstruction of society and of God’s saving actions for the human race.
    Fourth, this collapse and the presence of the Holy Father [no economic collapse occurred while Francis was in the USA!] are only the beginning of the events. The collapse is Satan’s action [Satan was sleeping or watching Francis on TV, because no economic collapse happened!] and the Holy Father’s presence is my action. These actual events will show what I have been saying during these years of the locutions. The present world events are just the manifestations of the unseen battle being waged by Satan against the kingdom of Jesus. Because the world has lost faith in Jesus’ kingdom, it cannot understand or explain what is going on. Even worse, the world aids and abets Satan and, by past decisions, has brought on this collapse [No economic collapse occurred while Francis was in the USA!].
    Even when the events happen exactly as I have said [exactly as the locutionist said? EVEN WORSE! No economic collapse occurred while Francis was in the USA!, many will still not believe my words [Thanks God for this failed prophecy!]. However, millions of people (of all faiths) will begin to believe [Wrong! Thousands were reading these messages, and now this number will reduce to no more than 7 people, after this hugely failed prophecy]. The events will be like Cana of Galilee, the first of Jesus’ signs which helped his disciples to believe in him. Such will be the events when the Holy Father is in America [Wrong! Everything went smooth! No economic collapse!]. I have deliberately brought the Holy Father to America so all the world will see my sign [No sign occurred!].

    5. The Role of Pope Francis

    BY LOCUTIONS EDITOR ON 09/13/2015

    I want to speak of Pope Francis whom I have raised to the Chair of Peter. Each pope brings his own personality. However, each day, graces pour into the popes to lead them in a definite direction. Each pope brings his personal thoughts but these are quickly subjected to the Holy Spirit’s purpose in raising him to the papacy. I want to highlight these gifts and put them in the context of what the future holds.
    ...
    As great as these are, they are not the special, unique gift of his papacy. They are gifts which flow from below. The greatest gift will flow from above. After the event my heavenly purpose in choosing him will begin to come to the foreground. This event will be definitive [No economic collapse while Francis was in the USA! False prophecy!]. New papal graces will pour out and I will lead him on a new search to discover the Church’s role in this new situation [No economic collapse WHILE FRANCIS WAS IN THE USA!]

    1. The Two Armies

    BY LOCUTIONS EDITOR ON 09/14/2015

    I bring my children into the full light, so that even in great darkness, they can see that my plan is unfolding. When the events begin, while Pope Francis is in America, all my children will have their great sign that the plan of Fatima and the role of the Woman Clothed With the Sun have been released [False! No economic collapse (the event) occurred while Francis while in the USA, and a random guy still don't know what Fatima is after Francis visit!].
    After this event, there will be no turning back [Nothing happened! No economic collapse!]. Heaven’s powers will be released. I will come, more and more, onto the world stage. The battle will begin because war has been openly declared.
    This means the clear joining of sides. Both armies, good and evil, will gather in battle array. All will be forced to make a decision. Whom will you serve? Who is your king?
    ...

    1. The Beginning Flashpoint

    BY LOCUTIONS EDITOR ON 09/19/2015

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    This is the beginning, not the end, a special beginning. Humankind will be given a final opportunity to accept heaven’s gifts [Wrong. Final warnings will be be Garabandal's Warning or Miracle, or some of the Medjugorje secrets!].

    4. The Church, the World and the Woman

    BY LOCUTIONS EDITOR ON 09/22/2015

    I, however, must speak of a much deeper level, what faith reveals. I will use this papal visit for my moment to declare that I am the Woman into whose hands both the Church and the world have been entrusted. I will do this through all the events, both of the Church and of the world, which will happen during the papal visit [During the papal visit, nothing changed! Still Syria war, still refugees crisis, and especially NO ECONOMIC COLLAPSE!!! Nothing different happened, so no one had a chance to realize that Mary is the Woman! Ask some random guys in the streets what they think, if you suppose otherwise]. After these signs have been given, I will explain their meanings [no signs, so no explainations? There is not much to say: this of the economic collapse has been a failed prophecy, and a huge one!].

    5. Whose Moment is This?

    BY LOCUTIONS EDITOR ON 09/23/2015

    Now, I return to the other infernal fire, burning strongly beneath the surface, the infernal fire of economic weaknesses that have proliferated. This, too, waits only for Satan’s pernicious moment, when he turns the world’s attention to himself and to his plans of destruction.
    This is too tempting for Satan. He, foolishly, moves up his timetable, when really he should wait a while longer. He will not allow Pope Francis to have the world stage all to himself. Satan will want to crash the party, reveal his powers and announce his presence [Another failed prophecy. Francis, thanks God, had the world stage all to himself. Everyone talked about him. Satan didn't crash the party, nothing new happened, no economic collapse. He was sleeping, or more probably, the locutions are a big lie].

    These are the facts. Mary allegedly promised us that She wouldn't have dissappointed us, and that the event would have taken place exactly as described.

    Do you think I'm a fool?
     
  3. Infant Jesus of Prague

    Infant Jesus of Prague The More you Honor Me The More I will Bless Thee

    By chance, were you part of the inner circle of LTTW ? or more a promoter? ( I can see you were a promoter )
    Try and find Peace my friend. Were all being tested daily. My prayers are with you:)
     
  4. Daria

    Daria Angels

    Here is some information, if it's true...








    Anonymous said...
    Here is the information I got from the Diocese of Scranton:

    1. The locutions are not happening in the Diocese of Scranton. The anonymous alleged locutionist does not live in this Diocese.

    2. Monsignor John Esseff did not edit these locutions nor where they published with his consent or cooperation in any way. He is and has been a spiritual director to persons who claim to have received locutions, but he has not in any way promoted or validated the content of those locutions. On August 27, 2014, he sent a formal notice to the publisher to have his name removed from the edited version and the website.

    With these circumstances in mind, the Bishop of Scranton is not the competent bishop to investigate this matter or to make any claim as to the truthfulness of these alleged locutions. I ask your prayers for clarity for all involved in this particular matter.

    - See more at: http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2...onary.html?commentPage=2#sthash.pyYcvezs.dpuf
     
  5. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    "...what stripping is required to be the echo of my heartbeat! It must be a life more of Heaven than of earth – more divine than human! Even one shadow, one little thing, is enough to prevent the soul from feeling the strength, the harmonies, the sanctity of my heartbeat; and so she does not echo my heartbeat, she does not harmonize together with Me, and I am forced to remain alone in my sorrow or in my joys."
    Book of Heaven, Vol. 11, April 1, 1916

    Are we here an echo of the heartbeat of Jesus? Ponder well. Very sad all this bickering.
     
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  6. Infant Jesus of Prague

    Infant Jesus of Prague The More you Honor Me The More I will Bless Thee

    LTTW has been smoke and mirrors all along. I did a search on edited books by Msgr Esseff and the last lttw claiming edit by him was July 2014.( based on search results )

    Makes me wonder about Fr Innauzi(sp) claim he thru a mediator told Msgr Esseff to stop with LttW. Now to find out Msgr had nothing to do with LttW... if mystics of the Church post is correct that is.
     
  7. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Weare all of us sinners so I suppose that the odd bickering is par for the course

    You should come with me to work, it is like a boxing ring sometimes. The trouble with Ireland is that it is full qIrish
     
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  8. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    mothersuperior7, a moderator of MOG, say's she has talked with Monsignor Esseff twice, as he gave her his private cell phone number, and she said early in September that he still is active with LTTW messages. So much conflicting information coming in all directions. Who to believe? At least we know the messages are false now.
     
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  9. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    Time to move on. Let it go. I pray for all. Everybody I think was sincere so it has been devastating for the locutionist and her inner circle. God love them.
     
  10. pazahitepu, your issues with LTTW are quite understandable. I'm sorry to hear about the fallout you've experienced. You know, even though I don't share your current opinions of LTTW, I'm actually open to hearing your critique, because I don't want to follow something that isn't true. And, if someone else can point out a flaw in LTTW to me, I want to hear it. And, if I decide that person's critique is insufficient, that only strengthens my convictions. So thank you for venting : ).

    You can certainly take the approach you are taking. You can decide that your expectations of LTTW were reasonable, LTTW did not match those expectations, therefore LTTW is in error. You can apologize to people you warned, and move on as best you can, salvaging your credibility as best you can. Just something to consider - anyone I ever told about LTTW, and it was a small number, I always, always qualified it, which you must do. I said, you must always remember this is alleged. Continue to trust in things you know are true - the Church, mass, etc, and just keep messages from Locutions in mind however suits you. I always did everything I could to not be in fear or project fear, but instead to be hopeful and joyful, that any difficulty the world experiences has the potential to save souls, which is all that matters : ). Just something to consider for the future.

    You might also take a look at some previous postings about how to interpret the words "collapse", "shift in message" and "new situation". I'll just list the numbers of mine here, and one from earthtoangels, there are others too I think that are worth reading: #1365, #1385, #1435, #1449, #1451. For me, it matters that the word "collapse" is not the same as crash. Collapse, as defined by economists, cannot happen in the course of a day or a few days. There are several comments in the September Locutions that reinforce this idea - it will be long, not something that happens in its entirety while the Pope is here. And, there is documentation that things were "collapsing" economically during the Pope's visit, check out that information.

    Put some thought into how the "new situation" is not about economics, but attacks on the family, the most important structure of all. Consider that we might have assumed incorrectly that the "new situation" in the Sep 3 Locution was speaking of economics when in fact it was speaking of attacks on the family, and that the "shift" in message was the speech that the Pope ditched and instead spoke impromptu, from the heart. Watch the Pope's speech, consider the very words he spoke and emphasis he gave to attacks on the family. Consider my two postings about this theory and earthtoangel's post about the email that the Pope decided family was his most important message during the trip, "it is in the family our future is at play" - the last line in his speech, delivered with emphasis and some soberness. How can we ignore the very words he spoke while here, that the Holy Spirit speaks to us through him? And, how can we ignore the word matches of "confusion" and "destruction" and "future" between his comments about family and the Locutions? Especially given that word matches in Scripture mean something, as our Church tells us about "The Woman" and many other key words in Scripture. Also, truly, how can we judge these locutions so soon? Scripture prophecy show us, some things are only clear over time.

    You might also listen to the podcast in September from Monsignor Esseff posted by Patty, which gives us his thoughts on the difficulties in the world, including those mentioned in LTTW. Notice, he doesn't refute the things that are being said, "collapse", etc., and doesn't refute the LTTW specifically, which, this would have been a prime opportunity for him to do so. Instead of denying these current realities, he reminds us to "Be not afraid", and put our trust in Jesus's resurrection, no matter the sufferings that come our way.

    I know your frustrations might make it hard to ponder. But I just pass on these thoughts to you for what it's worth. It's possible you are right, LTTW are a scam, and you've paid the price. However, be careful of taking out your frustrations on them. What if this really is the Mother of God speaking to us...and you are treating her so : )? Also, consider that if indeed you made false assumptions about LTTW, it means that the LTTW might be legit, and if you could gather information to prove they are legit, this will in fact give you a chance to regain your credibility with others, not to mention the fact you can continue to receive the benefits of LTTW. At minimum, you might just suggest to those you told about LTTW, the basic message you shared is still valid as shown by current events and so many other predictions. But, you might have just misunderstood and misrepresnted the TIMING that it would unfold. Encourage them to just keep watching, and over time, they might see all these things unfold as predicted.

    I'll leave you with this little gem from the September Locutions which describe this "moment" we are trying so hard to discern, “Set your wild imaginings aside and ponder my words.” God Bless you, I'll be praying for your peace, please pray for mine as well.
     
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  11. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    Confusion is not of God - only peace!
     
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  12. Infant Jesus of Prague

    Infant Jesus of Prague The More you Honor Me The More I will Bless Thee

    Msgr Esseff site http://www.msgrjohnesseff.net/

    Building A Kingdom of Love... podcasts by Msgr
    Search results for locutions to the world
    No matches. Please try again, or use the navigation menus to find what you search for.
    No links to Lttw or Locutions found on Msgrs' site either.
    I searched his site for Locutions/LttW back in January and got the same search results .

    In Febuary I joined MOG forum by searching/ discerning LTTW true/false . So Msgr since January has never linked to LTTW from the site I posted above.
     
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  13. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Sister MS,

    It might be time to move on and let this one go.

    My question now is...should we allow this thread open or is it time to close?


    :( :)
     
  14. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

    This post is truly an amazing example of believing what one wants to believe regardless of the facts!!
     
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  15. Hello davidtlig, thanks for the feedback. Can you please be more specific? Can you please provide information that refutes the specific information in my post? Thanks.
     
  16. Agreed. The question is, are the LTTW false, and therefore they sow "confusion". Or, are they true, and our "wild imaginings" about them from the Deceiver sow "confusion". It can go both ways.
     
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  17. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    So many on this forum kept using Msgr. Essef name to continue these messages. That is pretty sad. Just think how that has hurt Msgr. Essef :(

    What have we learned... a true message from God cannot be anonymous. The locutionist cannot say on the internet that he/she has spiritual directors and approval from the church...and we believe it. The internet is a very dangerous place.

    For those that were tricked God understands. And hopefully from the bad... God has made you stronger.

    But now is the time to decide... do I keep believing because of pride or do i move on to my next journey.

    :( :)
     
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  18. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Interesting attitude of Pope Francis towards the "expert" theologian in a talk to theologians:

    A theologian is "not an intellectual without talent, an ethicist without kindness or a bureaucrat of the sacred."

    And says that they too must smell like the sheep and get away from a theology from the desk only!

    He basically looks for charity in his bishops and theologians, brotherly love towards one another. He once spoke to those who wish to lean entirely on theologians for final answers to the mysteries of the Faith and to the confusion of today. He said (paraphrasing) don't look just to theologians for answers or you'll wait forever since they hardly ever fully agree with one another and always have more or less sources that only continue the discussion!
     
  19. Just checking IJoP, did you take my comment to mean that I said he cited the LTTW website on his website? If so, I didn't say that. I said, he mentioned the difficulties in the world in his podcast, which included some of the same difficulties also mentioned in LTTW. Just wanted to be sure there was no misunderstanding there...
     
  20. Hope ye don't mind me asking but are ye, crown of twelve stars and earthtoangels very close friends? Ye frequently log onto the site together and seem to quote each other a lot.
     
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