I wouldn't get too hung up on the map. That map has been around for a long long time. There is a difference between the messages John receives and his personal thoughts on them. The map was based on what things he was shown but lie in the category of his personal thoughts on thigs. I prefer to mostly stick to the messages not his personal thoughts. I will say about his messages, they sound so much more peaceful in my spirt than others even though they describe some awful things. The stuff he reveals about refuges and whole homes and churches even being picked up by angels and taken there, just sounds so comforting and boy wouldn't that be something to be a part of!!
Reminds me of the house of Loreto that was moved by Angels. QUOTE="Andy3, post: 445802, member: 3364"]I wouldn't get too hung up on the map. That map has been around for a long long time. There is a difference between the messages John receives and his personal thoughts on them. The map was based on what things he was shown but lie in the category of his personal thoughts on thigs. I prefer to mostly stick to the messages not his personal thoughts. I will say about his messages, they sound so much more peaceful in my spirt than others even though they describe some awful things. The stuff he reveals about refuges and whole homes and churches even being picked up by angels and taken there, just sounds so comforting and boy wouldn't that be something to be a part of!![/QUOTE]
I see John is becoming quite famous at the moment. He is featured on many, many utube interviews at the moment. They are easy to find. But I wish some of the interviewers would not be afraid to ask hard questions, too many simply accept everything without question.
Predictions of angels bringing the faithful to refuges during Chastisement never made sense to me; it seemed like a Catholic version of the Rapture. It also contradicts the harsh view of the future given at Akita: "As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests." "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres...churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord. "The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them"
Yes, it's a slight turn off to me. I never could quite believe that angels lifted the Holy House to Loreto. But then again another part of me says why not? I sometimes find in Church Approved apparitions thing that I cannot understand. Such as at Lourdes when Our Lady asked Bernadette to eat the herbs. I think. Why on Earth?
I believe the angels will guide us in many ways and our homes could be refuges. The Miraculous medal was sent for these times. Holy water and all the defenses. But I will just trust in God because there are so many false mystics it gets to be too much.
Yes it's s true thousands and thousands of false mystics and that's just the Catholic ones. It reminds me of a question that a Stage Magician was asked one time. He was asked if it difficult to cool highly intelligent people and scientists. He said not so but that these tended to be the easiest to fool as they overlooked the obvious.
The Holy House of Loreto was originally brought back from the crusades to Croatia. The daughter of the ruling family who were named Diangelo was give in marriage to the Prince of that area of Italy. The Holy House was given as part of her dowry and transferred to Loreto. That's the story I heard in Medjugorje. It makes sense. God usually acts through human agents and human history. We tend to dismiss the human elements as unimportant but the ordinary is extraordinary.
Right, the Catholics in Nagasaki Atomic Bombing were not brought to any refuges before that horrific event...
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/32445/the-miracle-of-hiroshima-–-jesuits-survived-the-atomic-bomb-thanks-to-the-rosary "The only arms left for you will be the Rosary and the sign left by My Son." So too in the Fire from the Sky Chastisement...
Just saw that there's another message from John on afterthewarning.com - this is posted at the end: My confirmation To be honest, I was a little concerned and needed to be sure it was God the Father speaking to me. I was seeking confirmation, and God does not waste time: After receiving the message about the coming affliction and the terrible odor that will accompany it, my wife turned to me and asked if I smelled the ugly odor that was around me. It was an odor of decay. Immediately I knew it was God the Father confirming to me that it was Him speaking to me about this coming plaque. My wife confirmed that the message I received was authentic. May the Blessings of all Mighty God be upon all of us. John Martinez End quote. Kinda confirms in my mind that these aren't from heaven.
I agree. I've never heard of a sign from heaven being accompanied by foul odours, no matter the message.