Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by padraig, Jun 20, 2014.
Yes. It is very dodgy and he needs prayer.
I think it is quite clear that we are well within the 1st, 2nd and the beginnings of the 3rd sign at this moment. IMO, the other signs could come about very quickly with global war, global economic collapse and significant natural disasters leaving man seemingly helpless. I understand some only want to believe approved church prophecy. I believe this is a huge barrier in knowing what God is revealing to us in these times. For instance, the King(s) of France refused to consecrate its country to the Sacred Heart of Jesus from the alleged prophecy of St. Margaret Mary and our Lord was patient for 100 years. Perhaps the king was waiting for her message to be approved by the Church, but nonetheless, God allowed him to be arrested and beheaded for his refusal to listen to the saint.
If anyone took the prophetic pulse and consensus, of just very faithful Catholic men and women in the past 100 years who have written what God and the Blessed Mother has revealed to them (including Father Gobbi who had 100's of priest followers) one would understand what heaven has been trying to tell us to prepare for. I believe these represent the 5 wise virgins who's lamps were filled with oil. This surely does not mean that are not good and faithful Catholics who don't believe we are in the time of the Antichrist, but God intends for the faithful to make others aware of this time and many are silent, or worse yet give family and friends and others their opinion that we are not in this era that Father Gobbi speaks of and it is just another bump in the road and are not preparing for the Era of Peace. Yet, clearly if anyone were to read Matthew 24, they would see nearly all the signs already present.
Thank you for pointing this out Fatima, I had not thought of this before regarding as yet unapproved prophesy. It is a very good point to make that God still required something of a king and then punished for not listening to the words of unapproved (at the time) prophesy. Of course I knew this had happened, but my brain didn’t make the connection that you pointed out. While I will still be careful, it definitely changes things for me and gives me much to think about. Thank you
Josephite, Good questions. I have most of the same questions that you have and I'm glad that you asked them.
I don't think that anyone here wants to defend Ron Conte's statements. I think he believes that this is what Father Gobbi's locutions revealed.
I will attempt to answer some of your questions anyway, my answers are in plum.
a long period from the late 21st century to the early 25th century when the world slips gradually into greater and greater sinfulness, [I have a question, how will the world possibly continue for another 400 years getting even worse than it is today?] Mr. Conte has this "bullet" following "the reign of the great monarch and the Angelic Shepherd - in the 2040's and 2050's" where we know from Catholic prophecy that there will peace and a renewal of the Faith. So in this "bullet" that you are questioning, he has the world on a long path of sinfulness until the time of the Antichrist. Personally, I don't think that it will happen like this I think it will be a much shorter period of time but only God knows.
the reign of the ten kings in the 24th century
the nearly seven year reign of the Antichrist from 2430/2431 to 2437 A.D. [Another question, is it seven years? doesn't Daniel and revelations say 3.5 years?] You are correct that most (maybe all) Catholic theologians state that there will be a 3.5 year reign for the Antichrist. I think that Mr. Conte is referring to Daniel 9:27 here but I thought that this is an unsolved mystery in terms of Catholic eschatology.
the Return of Christ, with Mary, in 2437 A.D. [Question again, is this Our Lord's Second coming? If not what is it?] Yes, I understood this to be what most people refer to as the Second Coming. You may notice that he has no more dates assigned to anything after this point. So what he appears to explain after this statement must be his explanation for other mysteries which I don't believe have been revealed to mankind unless I am mistaken. I do wonder where Mr. Conte got all of these details? In addition, Mr. Conte has Mary returning with Christ in 2437 A.D. and I don't understand this either.
the Seven Bowls of God's Wrath
the first Resurrection, Christ's Second Ascension, Mary's Second Assumption, Second Pentecost. [Question, Is this even remotely in scripture? possibly in some coded text perhaps?] ????
the Millennium of peace and holiness over all the earth [Q, does he mean a literal 1000 years] ???? IMHO, it makes more sense if this was the last "bullet" and he left out the word Millennium.
the second Return of Christ and Mary on Judgment Day, at the general Resurrection [Why does he have Our Lord returning a third time? ] ????
God makes a new heaven and a new earth
My post was directed to Byron who mentioned Father Gobbi's chronology for the end times and I was asking her if she could confirm what Mr.Conte has stated here is accurate. She believes it is not and I think she is still working on what it actually is. In the mean time, I think that Fatima has provided what is stated in the Blue Book about the end times.
This is all new to me. In all honesty, I have only looked at Father Gobbi's locutions a little but I am not sure that I can understand where Ron Conte got all of the details that he provided. IMHO, I think it is best to throw out Mr. Conte's interpretation unless he can explain how he has concluded these things.
Fatima, Thank you for posting this but imho it doesn't appear to fit very well with Desmond Birch's chronology of events for the end of the times. That may explain why Ron Conte's interpretation is so confusing, maybe he is trying to make it all "work" together but I don't believe that it does.
I am not saying I know what is going to happen in the future with any more certainty than the next person does but I am sticking with what Desmond Birch's research states: a minor chastisement, an era/period of peace, and a major chastisement/the 3.5 yr. reign of the beast from Revelation who is referred to by most as the Antichrist (a man given name).
Ultimately, there are no guarantees about any of these things, maybe the era of peace will occur in a blink of an eye and then Father Gobbi's prophecy about the end of the times will fit with what Birch has. The only guarantee that we have is what is in scripture and it is not very easily interpreted, imho.
I think he is right in some regards. 1) The minor chastisment according to several credible messengers is now and will continue to develop prior to the warning.
2) The Warning
3) The reign of the AC and major chastisements from God.
4) 3 days of darkness ending the world as we know it.
5) the Era of Peace 1000 years figuratively.
6) Return of Satan one more time for small period [Gog and Magog].End of the world. General judgement.
Fatima, This is not what Birch states at all and it is a huge disparity imho.
Desmond Birch states the following:
1) The Minor Chastisement includes the 3 days of darkness which he states is mostly a man-made event
2) The Warning Birch does not say anything at all to my knowledge about the Warning or Illumination of Conscience
but I would place it at the end of the minor chastisement as you have also.
2) The Age of Peace
3) The Major Chastisement -- Antichrist (3.5 year bestial persecution of the Church)
4) The Four Last Things (Death, Judgment, Heaven and Hell)
Carol, I don't believe Birch has it quite right. Just to many credible faithful Catholic messengers in the past 100 years unfolding heavens plans that are at odds with Birch's view and collaborate more closely with what each other were given.
I know a couple on MOG who themselves have received messages and they are at odds with Birch, but dont speak publically on the form so as not to seem combative. Their messages are in line with many other credible messengers who are well know today, yet are not approved by the church. Being approved by the church is neither biblical or essential by church standards. It is prudent to know if and when an alleged messenger has been rejected by the church, but surely this is not God's will to have his true messengers silenced when they are commissioned to speak what they have been given.
Just a note on Fr. Gobbi for anyone interested, I used to read his writings when I was younger until I found some discrepancies that gave me pause. He is not approved by the Vatican, in fact the head of the CDF advised his writings be noted only as his private meditations, not as the words of Our Lady.
Here is an overview of some of the problems for any who may wish to look into them:
Note: This is not in any way meant to disparage Fr. Gobbi. I think he was a good and faith filled priest.
Now a question for all who doubt todays messengers. If our time is not ripe for the appearance of the "man of sin", what could you possibly be waiting to see that is not apparent in today's culture and world situations and world powers, including those within the Church that would seemingly be present much later?
I don't doubt Father Gobbi. The messages are a great source of hope to me. Those messages are the ones that open up the 'closed book' of Revelation as we slowly but surely advance to the next stage in God's plan.
Cardinal Ivan Dias reported that Pope Benedict XVI said "He went right to Heaven" on hearing the news of Fr. Gobbi's death the day after the Memorial Mass at Collevalenza, Italy.
The Angelic Shepherd (great and holy pope)
The Great Catholic Monarch
The time of peace and holiness, and rebuilding
The reign of the ten kings
The false prophet
The fulfillment of these passages:
The Beginning of Calamities. * the disciples approached him privately and said, “Tell us, when will this happen, and what sign will there be of your coming, and of the end of the age?” * Jesus said to them in reply, “See that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and they will deceive many. b You will hear of wars* and reports of wars; see that you are not alarmed, for these things must happen, but it will not yet be the end. c Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be famines and earthquakes from place to place. * All these are the beginning of the labor pains. * d Then they will hand you over to persecution, and they will kill you. You will be hated by all nations because of my name. 10And then many will be led into sin; they will betray and hate one another. 11Many false prophets will arise and deceive many; 12and because of the increase of evildoing, the love of many will grow cold. e But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved. f And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the world as a witness to all nations,* and then the end will come.
19“I will show you,” he said, “what is to happen in the last days of wrath; for it is for the appointed time of the end.
* 21The he-goat is the king of the Greeks, and the great horn on its forehead is the first king. 22The four that rose in its place when it was shattered are four kingdoms that will issue from his nation, but without his strength.
23“At the end of their reign,
when sinners have reached their measure,
There shall arise a king,
impudent, and skilled in intrigue.
24He shall be strong and powerful,
bring about fearful ruin,
and succeed in his undertaking.
He shall destroy powerful peoples;
25his cunning shall be against the holy ones,
his treacherous conduct shall succeed.
He shall be proud of heart
and destroy many by stealth.
But when he rises against the Prince of princes,
he shall be broken without a hand being raised.
Praetorian, Thank you for this. It is good that we share our knowledge and our concerns. Ultimately, we decide for ourselves.
Fatima, You have the right to your opinion as we all do, of course.
I am not certain if this is what you have stated but if you look back at my posts I never questioned Father Gobbi's approval with the Church, etc.
I attempted to point out that the main disparity with Father Gobbi's and Birch's end times chronology is that he does not have a period of peace following the wars and unrest. Imho, I don't believe that he mentions a period of peace at all. This is Father Gobbi's summary paragraph on the signs of "The End of the Times",
The year (1992) which is coming to a close, and that which is beginning, form part of the great tribulation, during which (1) the apostasy is spreading, (2) the wars are multiplying, (3) natural catastrophes are occurring in many places, (4) persecutions are intensifying, the announcement of the Gospel is being brought to all nations, (5) extraordinary phenomena are occurring in the sky, and the moment of the full manifestation of the Antichrist is drawing ever nearer.
In addition, the chronology of end time events that you provided in the following post does not match Father Gobbi's chronology of events, in my opinion.
Thank you Praetorian,
Like member, 'waiting by the window' I have found much of Fr Gobbi's writings to be a door into understanding the 'closed book' of Revelation and some of the mysteries of our Faith.
For those who are privileged to receive mystical experiences such as locutions, it must be hard to not cloud this information by trying to fit it into earthly understanding.
I think Fr Gobbi definitely has his heart in the right place and he was trying to warn us all of the dangers that were revealed to him and so these rosary cenacles evolved [a good thing], but maybe his personal interpretations got mixed in, when he tried to express this heavenly wisdom.
Maybe he thought these sentences: The announcement of the three angels should be looked forward to by you with confidence, received with joy and followed with love. (10/2/1992) Even in this second coming, the Son will come to you through his Mother. As the Word of the Father made use of my virginal womb to come to you, so also will Jesus make use of my Immaculate Heart to come and reign in your midst. (12/24/1978)
If the Miracle and secrets of Medjugorje will be announced, why the great Warning not? Or no prophet is worthy to do it? I expect, that if it would be announced, Mary shall announce it in Medjugorje.
And perhaps the gospel is sufficient announcement: Learn this parable from the fig tree. After its branch becomes tender and it sprouts new leaves, you know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see all these things, you know that the Human One is near, at the door.
Then the third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star, burning like a torch, fell from heaven. It fell on a third of the rivers and springs of water. The star’s name is Wormwood, and a third of the waters became wormwood, and many people died from the water, because it became so bitter.
Here I can only remind, that great star of Church repeats the fall of his father Lucifer. John was Hebrew and only Hebrews understand his parables. One of the names of this Church star is Bitterness= hebr. Maryam (not Our Lady) - מַריָם ~ star of sea, sea of bitterness.
Then the fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars so that a third of them became dark. The day lost a third of its light, and the night lost a third of its light too.
one-third sun eclipse 10/23/2014
one third lunar eclipse 10/3/2014
The nations will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.
Months, in original text μῆνας, are lunar months (http://biblehub.com/greek/3376.htm)
Now immediately after the suffering of that time the sun will become dark, and the moon won’t give its light. The stars will fall from the sky and the planets and other heavenly bodies will be shaken.
Total solar eclipse 8/21/2017
Total lunar eclipse + super, red, blue moon 1/31/2017
If you are looking for these things above, they all will come after the Warning, as so many messages/prophecies foretell. We are in the beginning of the first tribulation. Then when things are at there worst comes the Warning. With the warning comes the personal choice every human person alive on earth will make: Christ or the Antichrist. The Era of peace will come after the 3 day's of darkness when Satan, the Antichrist and the False Prophet will all be in hell and the faithful will enjoy the Era of Peace our Lady of Fatima foretold while living in the Divine Will that we pray in the Lords Prayer, Rev: 13-14. Satan will be loosed one last time for a short period of time at the end of the world, which will bring back Jesus in the flesh to judge the living and the dead. Many credible faithful Catholic messengers have revealed as much. Our lord has taken out the guess work if one hears his messengers within the past several decades.
Did you all read Fr Roux's prophecy that was published in Spirit Daily while Pope John Paul II was still Pope? Oh my goodness, he predicted there would be a false Pope after the death of JPII!
Yes Josephite, this is sort of how I feel too. He was a very interesting and faith-filled priest. I just think we shouldn't take what he wrote as unalterably true. There seems to be dome definite ways in which he seems to have been wrong or misunderstanding things.
No Byron I didn't see that. I know very little about Fr. Roux, only that I met him a couple of times and you could almost feel the faith flowing from him tangibly. Do you have a link?
Byron, Father Roux was one of the priests who was given the messages within book God Speak Will You Listen www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org and found nothing in the book contrary to our faith.
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