Is the Church in Crisis?

Discussion in 'Positive Critique' started by padraig, Oct 30, 2020.

  1. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Not his personal opinion as opposed to teaching but that somehow his personal opinion differs from what he believes.

    Whenever Pope Francis is quoted as saying something not quite in line with Church teaching, it's common for people to compare him with Jesus and anyone who doesn't approve is denounced as a Pharisee. Pope Francis is head of the Vatican City State. He makes the laws. He doesn't have to worry that clearly expressing Church teaching will result in his losing his job. He isn't a wedding planner dreading that some day he will be faced with the choice of planning a homosexual wedding or being put out of business. He isn't a nurse or doctor being put under pressure to assist in an abortion or refer someone for an abortion. He isn't a social worker whose Catholic beliefs on homosexuality could get him fired. He isn't obliged to pay for insurance which includes cover for abortions. He isn't running an adoption service faced with being closed down for not giving babies to same sex couples. Yet he makes all these statement pandering to the world knowing full well that he is making life harder for faithful Catholics - both lay and religious. And we're supposed to believe that this is what Jesus would do? I think the time for excuses is over.
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  2. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I see your point. Sometimes our actions can be a stumbling block to others. Or even an occasion of sin to others. We will be judged on that.
  3. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Yes, Padraig, this is what I had hoped, but as usual the Pope has not said a peep. So , so sad. And the sheep are scattered with so few shepherds to seek them out.:cry:

    Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
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  4. padraig

    padraig New Member

    You know Terry in a situation like this a yes or no would be much, much better than silence. Silence in a case like this is totally devastating. Silence on such a serious, serious matter as this constitutes Gas Lighting. As in the McCarrick Report. As in the Dubia. As in the China Deal. As in so very,very,very much more. It is a kind of torture.

    It is Gas Lighting.

    Matthew 5:37

    All you need to say is simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

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  5. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Yes, Dolours, this is where the rubber meets the road: the decisions we make in our daily lives. Why should we choose to do what we do? (1) out of love for Christ, (2) out of love for others, (3) out of fear of hell. Recently I mentioned my son-in-law, Stephen, who had studied at the John Paul II Institute in preparation to be a therapist to help homosexuals exit their lifestyles. But that was over 10 years ago; he saw the laws being changed, which reflects on your highlight above.

    We also should make decisions based on our love for the Holy Roman Catholic Church. This is why our anger and grief runs so deep.:cry:

    Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart! Immaculate Heart
  6. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Y'know, Mario, I made excuses for him in the beginning but the more people covered for him (people like Cardinal Muller and the now retired Jesuit who always accompanied him on trips abroad), the worse he got. Now that he has replaced those who tried to reconcile what he said with what he professes to believe, it's a case of "So what if you don't like it. He's the Pope and you're a (insert his latest slur) if you don't like what he said. There were people on this forum who actually said, and believed, that the Holy Spirit chooses the Pope so if we weren't happy with whatever was his latest attempt at undermining the Faith, we were opposing the Holy Spirit. People were actually willing to spread heresy in some kind of mis-placed loyalty to the man rather than to the Faith and the Petrine office.

    The Emma Bonino scandal was a definite tipping point for me. That was akin to telling the choir that contract killing is evil and then singing the praises of the Jackal to the whole world. Actually, contract killers tend to murder adults. A closer analogy would be condemning the Nazis and praising Dr. Mengele.
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  7. non sum dignus

    non sum dignus Archangels

    Thank you for clarifying.
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  8. Fede

    Fede Archangels

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  9. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Gas Lighting. It took them a while to turn this particular Gas Light on.

    But eventually they did.

    He didn't really say it.

    He didn't really mean it.

    It doesn't look like it is.

    You're imagining it.

    What are you thinking?

    Maybe it's you that have the problem.

    Maybe you need help.

    Of course the Holy Father never says anything himself. His friendly little helpers do it for him.

    The Holy Father just stays silent and silent and silent. Just like he always does.

    Truly diabolical cleverness.

    Gas Lighting.


    'Have you felt that your sense of reality has been challenged lately? That the word “truth” has no meaning any more? Does the existence of alternative facts make you question your own sanity? In modern usage, the term gaslighting refers to “a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim with the intent of making him/her doubt his/her own memory and perception”.
    Gaslighting is a form of manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or members of a group, hoping to make targets question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the target and delegitimize the target's belief.'
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  10. padraig

    padraig New Member

    They even look wicked.

    Hubble bubble toil and trouble.

    Stick a couple of pairs of horns and pointy ears on them both and it would look like they're meant to be there.

    Gas lighters, organising the next gas light session.

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  11. picadillo

    picadillo Powers

    You are so right Padraig. Only divine intervention can stop these monsters. Keep praying the rosary!
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  12. at the risk of suffering scorn, I want to warn that the word 'maga' in Latin translates to 'witch' in English. Similarly, the word maga in Greek translates to magician. I am well aware that MAGA is an acronym, yet Trump once held up a sign showing happily that maga was the acronyms of the trillion dollar club: the four big tech companies that were worth a trillion dollars each Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and Apple[​IMG] May God the Almighty Father help us and forgive us.
  13. non sum dignus

    non sum dignus Archangels


    Already voted for Trump and every other Pro-lifer on my ballot.

    Now it is time to pray!

    Attached Files:

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  14. Hedvige

    Hedvige New Member

    Yes, it is!

    Why the Rosary to the Gates of Heaven?
    The consequences of killing the unborn children become more and more visible and affect us more and more. By this atonement prayer we want to make reparation to God for the sin of abortion and reward the suffering of unborn children.

    We start in Poland but we need catholics from all nations to save the world from the consequences of this sin.

    Do you remember the Rosary to the borders from 3 years ago? Today, our common prayer and penance is needed no less than then.

    We are organizing international prayer event again to change the course of history, stop evil and wipe out the consequences of our sins.

    Please join us.
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  15. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Thank you. I will be happy to join in. Please let us know.
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  16. Hedvige

    Hedvige New Member

    You will find more on the website mentioned above.

    From 1st – 8th November, during the octave of All Saints' Celebrations ( sorry to send this so late- I have tried few times to register to send this message).

    1. We make reparation for all the sins of abortion committed in the world.

    2. We ask souls in Purgatory for prayers, we offer plenary indulgences.

    3. We apologize to unborn children, we accept them into our families and ask them to pray for us.

    Link to The pray in english:
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  17. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Yes, it is gaslighting. There was at least one report from Argentina of his telling members of the lavender lobby there that he had to appear to oppose the law but he didn't really mean it. And in Europe there are clerics and, as far as I can recall, at least one Bishop who want the Church to authorise blessings of these unions which "we won't call marriage". The argument is that if the Church blesses animals and inanimate objects it should bless a same sex couple's loving commitment to each other. Incrementalism.
  18. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    There's no reason you should be scorned for this. Voting for President Trump is a gamble. Time will tell whether he will backslide on important issues. That he is a hundred times better than the only realistic alternative is not a cast iron guarantee that he will keep his promises in a second term. As with any political choice, you can only base your decision on past performance and the politican's or party's policies.

    Pray and trust that God hears and will answer your prayers.
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  19. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    I looked at the website. It asks for donations and gives details of a bank account. Is there a way to donate online?
  20. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Thank you.

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