Is Francis a Pope or a Pretender?

Discussion in 'Pope Francis' started by BrianK, Nov 16, 2023.

  1. AED

    AED Powers

    Beautiful. Thank you.
  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I am feeling a bit guilty tonight wondering what I can do in this terrible situation in the Church. We are only lay people and therefore simple sheep. Prayer of course. I wish it could be more but I am not sure quite what...:rolleyes::oops:

    I am racking my brains but can't think of anything.

  3. djmoforegon

    djmoforegon Powers

    Beautifully said, AED. This was my experience also.
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  4. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    You are called to be Faithful. That's all. The rest is up to Jesus. He said to trust in Him!
  5. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Yes! I agree with this 100 percent
  6. Michael_Pio

    Michael_Pio Archangels

    Yes, I hear you, but perhaps the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart will be very sudden and quick. Prophecy seems to suggest that, for example Anna K. Emmerich. Anyway, I hope so. :)
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  7. padraig

    padraig Powers

  8. Clare A

    Clare A Archangels

    After Mass today there was coffee. One of the men said he’d been to a readers day and that it was partly about the changes to the lectionary. My heart sank as I think it means we’ll have inclusive language foisted on us which the liberals have wanted to do for a while.
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  9. padraig

    padraig Powers

    God never grants that Satan is permitted to place an obstacle in our way without also granting us the grace/ means to escape or overcome it.

    But we have to want to.

    2 Corinthians 12:9

    9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

    At mass this morning the priest gave a homily on the parable of the Talents. The priest gave a wrong take on this assuming the Talents to which the Lord referred were human talents such as Intelligence, musical ability etc. What the Lord was referring to was the various forms of supernatural graces He granted us.

    The reason why the priest misinterpreted the parable was because like all Modernist Heretics belief and understanding of the supernatural/ mystical has died within him as it did with Luther before. He understands the teaching of the Lord in a purely human sense as one without a living Faith.

    But though the priest preached what was basically a big fat lie, still I understood the true meaning. This would not only have been true of myself but of all in the Congregation open to the promptings of the Holy Spirit.

    A stumbling block placed by Satan and one overcome by the Holy Spirit.

    Matthew 25:14-30

    The Parable of the Talents
    14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servantsa]">[a] and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents,b]">[b] to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. 19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.c]">[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’ 23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

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  10. padraig

    padraig Powers


    The attendance at our daily Mundelein Seminary on Labor Day weekend was sparse. Many of the students had gone home while others were on a special tour of Chicago churches. The celebrant and preacher for the Sunday Mass was Fr. Robert Schoenstene, our veteran Old Testament professor. Fr. Schoenstene offered the best interpretation I’ve ever heard of a particularly puzzling parable of the Lord, and I wanted to make sure his reading got a wider audience.

    The parable in question is the one concerning the rich man who gives talents to three of his servants and then sets out on a journey [Matt 25:14-30]. Upon his return, he assesses the situation and discovers that the servant to whom he had given five talents had invested them fruitfully and that the servant to whom he had given three talents had done the same. But he finds, to his chagrin, that the slave to whom he had entrusted one talent had simply buried the wealth and had garnered neither gain nor interest. Angered, he orders that the one talent be taken from the timid servant and given to the servant who had invested most boldly.

    And then comes the devastating moral lesson: “For to everyone who has, more will be given and he will grow rich; but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.”

    The standard reading of this story—on display in thousands of sermons and fervorinos—is that the talents symbolize gifts and abilities that God has given to us and that he expects us to “spend” generously or “invest” wisely. This interpretation is supported by the fairly accidental relationship that obtains between “talent” in the ancient Biblical sense of the term and “talent” in ordinary English today. Fr. Schoenstene specified that a talent in ancient times was a measure of something particularly weighty, usually silver or gold. A single talent might represent as much as 50 pounds of precious metal and, as such, was not something that one carried around in one’s pocket. We might make a comparison between a talent and a unit of gold kept at Fort Knox, or an ingot of silver preserved in a safe deposit box.

    What the contemporary reader will likely miss, and what the ancient Jewish reader would have caught immediately, is the connection to heaviness: a talent was weighty, and five talents was massively heavy. Heaviness would have brought to mind the heaviest weight of all, which was the kabod of Yahweh. That term was rendered in Greek as doxa and in Latin as gloria, both of which carry the connotation of luminosity, but the basic sense of the Hebrew word is heaviness, gravitas.

    And this kabod Yahweh was to be found in the Jerusalem Temple, resting upon the mercy seat within the Holy of Holies. Therefore, what was heaviest (most glorious) of all was the mercy of God, which abided in infinite, inexhaustible abundance in the Holy Temple.

    In light of these clarifications, we can read Jesus’ parable with fresh eyes. The talents given to the three servants are not so much monetary gifts or personal capacities; they are a share in the mercy of God, a participation in the weightiness of the divine love. But since mercy is always directed to the other, these “talents” are designed to be shared. In point of fact, they will increase precisely in the measure that they are given away.

    The problem with the timid servant who buried his talent is not that he was an ineffective venture capitalist but that he fundamentally misunderstood the nature of what he had been given. The divine mercy—received as a pure gift—is meant to be given to others as a pure gift. Buried in the ground, that is to say, hugged tightly to oneself as one’s own possession, such a talent necessarily evanesces. And this is why the master’s seemingly harsh words should not be read as the punishment of an angry God but as an expression of spiritual physics: the divine mercy will grow in you only inasmuch as you give it to others. To “have” the kabod Yahweh is precisely not to have it in the ordinary sense of the term.

    What comes to mind here is the most famous of all of Jesus’ parables, namely, the story of the Prodigal Son. Using a term that also carried a monetary sense in ancient times, the younger son says, “Father give me my share of the ousia (substance or wealth) that is coming to me. Notice how in one sentence, he manages to mention himself three times! The father gives away his ousia, for that is all he knows how to do, but the foolish son squanders the money in short order. The spiritual lesson is the same: the divine ousia is a gift and it can be “had” only inasmuch as it becomes a gift for others. When we try to cling to it as a possession, it disappears.

    How wonderful that these ancient stories, once we unpack their spiritual significance, still sing to us today.
  11. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    Well I am in shock after attending Mass in neighbouring parish this morning. A priest whom I have never seen before came to the altar. He was very relaxed I would say laid back. There were a few things at the start that were different. The Kyrie prayers he had changed to ask for mercy for our failure to share our talents, to fail to show compassion and fail to reach out to others. That Gospel was good he came down from the Altar and gave it to us from memory with his arms opened wide in a dramatic fashion. I was definitely getting a bit apprehensive at this point. Then we had the sermon.
    Basically we were to leap forward in time to year 2060.Ireland was now completely green energy. We were much more spiritual and had recovered our celtic Spirituality that the Romans had squeezed out of us. There were now no priests in Ireland and not needed. People still went to church but we sit at a round table. There is no hierarchy but someone presides over the ceremony. We read scripture and we are all very happy as we sense the power of the spirit in ourselves and each other. We no longer have 'wafers'. At this point he said that the Catholic church was the first to have 'fast food' well before McDonald's. In the 2060 we would have sourdough loaf on the altar/table and the preside would break the bread with his hands and pass it around and we would all eat in communion. Everyone would be welcome and included.
    There was more but I couldn't take it in. I am beyond shocked.
    He also felt free to have some of his own words during the Eucharistic part but I did listen carefully and the words of the consecration were there.
    A lot of people outside the church afterwards talking about it. Some older people like me were hopping mad. I am going to use my little talent now to write to his Bishop who is the Archbishop of Cashel & Emily.
    Someone told me he has some kind of round table set up in his own parish and some inclusion colours.
    He mentioned Francis in Rome several times as an inspiration.
  12. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    That is quite shocking. I think I would have walked out and found another mass. I had to do that once. It's clear that the heretics don't feel the need to hide anymore, they're right out in the open, no fear, no negative consequences. The Bishop will probably do nothing, though you should write to him anyway.

    Why do men who believe these things become priests in the first place? When they clearly hate the Catholic church and all it teaches?
  13. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    I did consider that but luckily I was at a very beautiful and reverent Mass yesterday evening.
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  14. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Do you know his name?

    No doubts he will be a member of the ACP (Association of Catholic Priests).
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  15. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Some medieval heresies preached the abolition of the hierarchy (and consequently of the Eucharist); as great examples of this, we had Catharism and Joachimism; the latter preached the arrival of the "Era of the Holy Spirit" in which humanity would reach full spiritual maturity that would make the Church hierarchy unnecessary. I fear that this heretical movement inspired this priest in his homily.
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  16. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I am very troubled by this. It’s horrid. Pray for that priest. I will.
    Edit: I think Our Lady will have the last word on this.
  17. AED

    AED Powers

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  18. AED

    AED Powers

    Dear Jesus have mercy. This is the outside of enough as my father would say. Terrifying. We are fast approaching the debut of New Church. A change to the consecration I fear. Then we really do go underground.
    His vision for Ireland is ghastly.
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  19. Michael_Pio

    Michael_Pio Archangels

  20. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Bless you Mary, apart from writing to the Bishop and prayer I don't see what else you can do?

    Apart from impacting his cranial region with a large blunt object , such as a hurley stick, at high speed in the hopes you might shake something good inside his head.:):)

    Happily we still have other Churches to go to. I would not be back.
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