Is Francis a Pope or a Pretender?

Discussion in 'Pope Francis' started by BrianK, Nov 16, 2023.

  1. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    This is going mainstream and this commentary is one of the best summaries of my own thoughts on the subject I’ve seen anywhere.

    Is Francis a Pope or a Pretender?
    William Kilpatrick
    The arguments in his defense don’t stand the test of time

    In the wake of Bishop Joseph Strickland’s removal by Francis, the question of Francis’ own status has resurfaced. Is he really the pope? Or is he an imposter or an anti-pope or something worse?

    When the question was initially raised years ago, quite a few Catholic theologians and commentators came to Francis’ defense. They quoted scripture, canon law, and past theologians, and they seemed quite confident that they were right and that critics of Francis didn’t know what they were talking about.

    But, as the years passed and as Francis’ appointments, actions, and pronouncements became more obviously out of line with Catholic teaching, many of the arguments in defense of his legitimacy began to wear thin.

    One frequently-used argument was that the although Francis seemed to flirt with heresy, he never went over the line because…well, because, as pope, he was being protected by the Holy Spirit from falling into grave error. As Jeffrey Mirus observed in one of his columns, “the Holy Spirit through the charism of infallibility, makes it impossible for a pope to bind the whole Church to error.”

    But this is a circular argument. It assumes as true the thing that has to be proven—namely, that Francis is really the pope. But, as Francis continues to rewrite the faith along heterodox lines, Catholics will be forced to reconsider the role of the Holy Spirit in all this. If Francis is really the pope it must mean that the Holy Spirit does not provide nearly as much guidance to popes as Catholics have supposed. If Francis is really the pope, it means that the Holy Spirit gives popes much more leeway than many of us had imagined.

    The oft-used argument that there have been several bad popes (about thirty) has the same effect. If the Spirit permits bad popes to be elected, then it must mean that the Cardinal-electors have more freedom to make a mess than is commonly thought.

    But if the Holy Spirit permits the election of bad popes, why are we so sure that he would prevent the election of a false pope? Does he ensure that the majority of cardinals will be immune to deception or self-deception or to political pressure—or blackmail?

    As you might have noticed, the argument that the Holy Spirit protects popes from serious error cuts both ways. On the one hand, it can be used to argue that popes will be protected from serious doctrinal errors; on the other hand, it can be used, to argue that if a ‘pope’ is leading people into serious sin and error, there is a good chance that he’s not the pope and is therefore not under the protection of the Holy Spirit.

    As it happens, Dr. Mirus admits the point. He acknowledges that If Francis is not the legitimate pope, then the question of the Church’s teaching authority does not come into play because “any errors such a ‘pope’ might teach would not really have been authoritatively taught. Thus, Christ’s promise to be with the Church will not have failed…”

    But the main concern of Mirus and other defenders of Francis’ legitimacy is that the “not pope” argument undermines the credibility of the Church’s teaching authority.

    At this point, however it seems that the faith of many Catholics will be more badly shaken should Francis turn out to be the true pope. How, it will be asked, could God allow his Church to be ruled by a man whose teachings contradict what Christ taught? Why does God permit the confusion and demoralization that Francis has wrought? Why does Francis bear so much animosity toward good and faithful Catholics like Bishop Strickland?

    The possibility that Francis is the pope does far more damage to the credibility of the Church than the possibility that he is not. If Francis continues to introduce novel and divisive changes to Church teachings on an almost weekly basis, then the credibility of the Church and the papacy will decline rapidly. If, on the other hand, he is revealed to be an imposter intent on subverting the Church, then much of the current turmoil would be seen in a new light. It would be seen not as the result of some inherent flaw in the Church, but as the result of a deliberate plot to destroy the Church.

    If Francis is actually an enemy of the Church, then it makes sense that he would favor harmful innovations—that he would be open to same-sex blessings, that he would participate in pagan rituals, that he would put the John Paul II Academy for Marriage and the Family in the hands of a man who would not be welcome in the homes of most Catholic families, that he would put another such man in charge of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, that he would issue a motu propriocalling for a radical paradigm shift in Catholic theology and on and on. All of these innovations have sown confusion in the Church. But that, it seems, is what they were intended to do.

    If Francis were really a false prophet, then it would be understandable that he thinks conversion is undesirable, that he tells seminarians to forgive all sin in the confessional even if there is no repentance, and that he maintains that sexual sins are nothing to worry about.
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  2. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    If for some reason—an invalid resignation by Pope Benedict, a rigged papal election, or evidence that Bergoglio had no intention of guarding the Catholic faith—it becomes evident that Francis is not a valid pope, then many Catholics would breathe a sigh of relief. If Francis/Bergoglio is an antipope then the promises of Christ and the protection of the Holy Spirit do not apply to him. Catholics would be free to ignore his new doctrines, to resist him, and above all, to better understand the trial that has been visited on the Church.

    Some think that the antipope/false prophet accusations against Francis are reckless, but scripture teaches us that at some point in time, something of this nature is exactly what we should expect.

    In Matthew’s gospel, Jesus refers to many “false Christs and false prophets (Mt. 24: 11, 24: 24). Likewise, the epistles speak of “many antichrists” (1 Jn. 2: 18) and many “false prophets” (1 Jn. 4: 1). Moreover, these false prophets are as likely to come from within the fold as from without. They “come to you in sheep’s clothing” (Mt. 7: 15) “disguising themselves as apostles of Christ” (2 Cor. 11: 13 ).

    How are we to identify the false prophets? By the degree that they deviate from the gospel. St. Paul warns the Corinthians against those who preach “another Jesus than the one we preach…” or “a different gospel from the one you accepted…” (2 Cor. 11: 4). Likewise, Paul warns the Galatians against those who “want to pervert the gospel of Christ” (Gal. 1: 7).

    Is anyone perverting the gospel of Christ today? We don’t have to look very far for an answer. This summer, Fr. Antonio Spadaro, SJ, a close friend and trusted advisor to Francis gave a sermon in which he described Jesus as “angry and insensitive,” “mocking and disrespectful,” and “blinded by nationalism and theological rigor.” In commenting on Jesus’s encounter with the Canaanite women, Spadaro portrays Jesus as one who is unable to transcend the prejudices of his time and place.

    This interpretation of scripture was an obvious perversion of the gospel of Christ, yet Francis did nothing to correct Spadaro. Instead, he promoted his friend to a curial position—Under-Secretary of the Dicastery for Culture and Education.

    As usually happens in Rome these days, those who uphold the faith (such as Bishop Strickland) are given the boot, while those who undermine it (Spadaro, Fernandez, Martin, Paglia) are praised and promoted. Meanwhile, those who scandalize the faithful are protected or promoted or sometimes both (McCarrick, Ricca, Zanchetta, Rupnik, Cocopalmerio, etc.).

    There is a certain type of person who loves to surround himself with flamboyant rule-breakers who delight in saying daring things and in joking about sacred things.

    Francis seems to be one of those types. One of his biographers reports that he used to delight in teaching dirty words to his young nephew. Now that he’s pope he has to be more careful about what he says. But he can still keep company with others who push the boundaries, spread gossip, and laugh at the “backwardness” of less sophisticated people—the kind who actually take their faith seriously.

    The more one knows about Francis’ favorites, the more one is reminded of St. Paul’s warning: “For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings” (2 Tim. 4: 3).

    One is also reminded of this passage about the second coming of the Lord: “That day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship” (2 Thessalonians 2: 3-4).

    “Itching ears”? “The rebellion”? The man of lawlessness”? Paul could well be writing about our own times. Many in the Church seem to be itching for news of the latest break from tradition. And the rebellious spirit seems to have infected a whole generation of young and not-so-young people. What are they rebelling against? Mainly against the law: laws against violence, vandalism, and looting, but also against natural law and revealed law. Numerous polls show that a majority of Catholics now disagree with the Church on abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism and the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Many think that matters of right and wrong are simply a matter of personal choice. Each person, in short, becomes a law unto himself.

    The irony is, we are encouraged in this lawlessness by many Church leaders. They no longer teach about right and wrong or good and evil, but instead they champion “relativism,” “subjectivism,” “contextualism” and “new paradigms.” But, of course, many young people correctly understand that these fancy words are simply another way of saying “Do as thou wilst”—the maxim attributed to occultist, Aleister Crowley.

    Francis and his followers are attempting to destroy the Church and to replace it with a “new paradigm” Church more in touch with the changing times. At this point, that seems fairly clear.

    Admittedly, however, many don’t see it that way. They maintain that nothing has really changed, and that criticizing Francis will only harm the credibility of the Church. Besides, they will say, no one has the right to judge the pope (which, taken literally, is a nonsensical proposition); and, what’s more, they will say, “the whole issue is above your pay-grade.”

    Moreover, they will add “There’s nothing anyone can do about it. God will take care of everything in his own good time. So, shush up!”

    Yes, God has unlimited time to fix things, but our time is short and in that short time God wants us to make the best of our time. Yes, God has the power to make all things new, but as Pope Leo XIII wrote in Sapientiae Christianae: “In His loving kindness He would assign to us a share in obtaining and applying the fruits of salvation…”

    As St. Paul taught, Christ gives us a share in his work. If Paul were alive today, would he just keep quiet about the harm being done to the Church? Would Peter or John or Matthew?

    God will eventually resolve everything, but in the meantime what do you tell a mother whose 14-year-old daughter says she wants to become a boy and that Sister Sally at school says the Church will bless whatever choice she makes?

    To top it all off, the girl hands her mother a booklet by Fr. James Martin and says: “Here, this will explain everything. And, look, Pope Francis wrote the Introduction!”

    We are told that eventually God will sort it all out. In the meantime, both Church and society are rapidly spinning out of control.

    Pictured above: Saint Peter’s at night

    Photo credit: Pixabay

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  3. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    About the Author
    William Kilpatrick taught for many years at Boston College. A past recipient of a fellowship from the National Endowment for the Humanities, he is the author of several books about cultural and religious issues, including Why Johnny Can’t Tell Right From Wrong; Christianity, Islam, and Atheism: The Struggle for the Soul of the West; andThe Politically Incorrect Guide to Jihad. Professor Kilpatrick’s articles on cultural and educational topics have appeared in First Things, Policy Review, American Enterprise, American Educator, Los Angeles Times, and various scholarly journals. His articles on Islam have appeared in Investor’s Business Daily, FrontPage Magazine, JihadWatch, Crisis, Catholic World Report, First Things, National Catholic Register, Aleteia, Saint Austin Review, New Oxford Review, and other publications. He is also the author of Insecurity, a dark comedy about political correctness run amok in the military and the government. 2

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  4. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    Terry Barber reveals US nuncio Cardinal Pierre told Bishop Strickland ‘there is no deposit of faith’
    LifeSiteMon Nov 13, 2023 - 3:13 pm EST
    (LifeSiteNews) — Terry Barber of Virgin Most Powerful Radio revealed on Sunday that Pope Francis’ apostolic nuncio to the United States, Cardinal Christophe Pierre, told Bishop Joseph Strickland three years ago that “there is no deposit of faith.”

    Barber, who regularly speaks with the faithful and recently deposed prelate of Tyler, Texas, on his radio program The Bishop Strickland Hour, said that according to Bishop Strickland, Pierre made the “shocking” claim at a meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

    “Bishop Strickland communicated to me that … Pierre confronted [him] and said, ‘Look, the Holy Father is watching you. You need to stop talking about the deposit of faith. There is no deposit of faith.’”

    “Well, you can imagine how shocking that is to hear a nuncio say there’s no deposit of faith, because if you don’t believe in the deposit of faith, you’re not Catholic,” continued Barber. “That’s not just my opinion. That’s the Church teaching.”

    READ: Bishop Strickland to lead Rosary rally outside US Catholic bishops’ meeting this Wednesday

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church explicitly refers to the deposit of faith, stating that “The apostles entrusted the ‘Sacred deposit’ of the faith (the depositum fidei), contained in Sacred Scripture and Tradition, to the whole of the Church.”
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  5. AED

    AED Powers

    Bishop Schneider has a much different take on our dilemma. He reasons it out with careful facts in an interview with Lifetime news. Fr Ripperger last night talked with Doug Barry and Fr Heilman and his observations I would say line up more with Bishop Schneider than with William Kilpatrick. So what are poor people in the pews supposed to do? I guess for me I am with maryrose. I am offering everything I have--pains tears anguish confusion and love for the Church and for my family and for my country and I am giving it to the Blessed Mother to use as she sees fit. I am giving thanks every minute for what we still have--some good strong devout priests and bishops and Cardinals and lay people (like yourself) and at the moment at least, peace in my own part of the world. This time we are in does seem to be the endgame Satan planned for in his famous claim "give me 100 years and I will destroy your church." Fr Ripperger says the first thing we must do is become more holy. It's a spiritual battle more than it is a worldly battle. So...I am going with him on this and I am off to the adoration chapel. Taking you and all MOG members with me.
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  6. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Beautiful post! Thank you AED.
  7. Byron

    Byron Powers

    “But if the Holy Spirit permits the election of bad popes, why are we so sure that he would prevent the election of a false pope?”
    If God allowed His own son’s crucifixion, He can allow a false pope to be elected. Did Jesus not elect Judas to be an apostle?
    The church is going through the passion, as prophesied. Hold on to Our Lady by praying the Rosary. Let her guide you through these awful times by using the Divine Will to cope.
  8. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    Fortunately I’m completely at peace, with the knowledge this current situation will resolve relatively quickly and the Triumph and Era of Peace is just around the corner. I’m passionate about being dispassionate in the midst of this, if that’s possible.
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    BrianK Powers Staff Member

  10. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    I really wanted to see a council that would clarify the limits of papal inerrancy. I think this could weaken papal authority but would bring us closer to the orthodox.
  11. Byron

    Byron Powers

    It may not resolve quickly. That’s what I’m afraid of. We may have two or more years for the Warning. We don’t know. But I pray you are right. If one does live in the Divine Will, the dark moments won’t feel so painful. We will have joy and peace in our hearts.
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  12. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Thank you!
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  13. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    I think of quickly as before the end of this decade.
  14. Michael_Pio

    Michael_Pio Archangels

    I am not sure papal inerrancy is the problem, though. I think the question is whether Jorge Bergoglio is actually the Pope.
  15. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    But if inerrancy applies only to situations in which the pope demands full obedience from the entire Church (as in the proclamation of a dogma, for example), this would mean that Francis has not yet crossed the red line. The dogma of papal inerrancy is not a problem, but I think greater clarification on it would be beneficial.
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  16. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    If Francis is not pope, then there is a serious risk that Mass is being celebrated invalidly in a large part of the world due to a problem that starts with the appointment of bishops and reaches even in our local parishes with invalidly ordained priests.
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  17. Michael_Pio

    Michael_Pio Archangels

    I don't think Holy Masses would be invalidated if Francis was not the Pope. About the appointments of bishops, I am not sure. Pope Francis has just appointed a very holy priest as our local bishop. I am very glad about this appointment. Cardinal Mueller (who was himself created a Cardinal by Pope Francis) pointed out the practical problems that would arise if Jorge Bergoglio was not the Pope. I have no idea how these problems could be resolved, but I have read Windswept House. Thus, I am aware of the 1990s warning by Fr. Malachi Martin: the "powers that be" will nudge the Pope to resign in order to replace him with a man of their own, to further their agenda and to inflict damage on the Holy Catholic Church.

    Basically, I accept Pope Francis as Pope for now, but I have a mental reservation that one day he may be declared an antipope by the Holy Catholic Church. This is in line with BrianK's thinking, and also Padraig's, as I understand it.

    When Pope Francis declares a Year of Mercy or a Year of St. Joseph, I happily go along with it. In particular, I am glad about the recent appointment of our local bishop.

    But regarding attempts to change the sacraments (Amoris Laetitia, Traditiones Custodes, women's ordination) or the hierarchy of the Holy Catholic Church (Synod on Synodality), I distance myself. Same with the "vaccination"-campaign: I never followed or even believed Pope Francis when he said we have a "moral obligation" to partake in these abortion-tainted experimental RNA-manipulations called "Covid-vaccines".

    This may sound self-contradictory, but it is the best I can come up with under the current circumstances. According to Sr. Lucia dos Santos, we live in times of diabolical disorientation.

    May St. Joseph protect our Holy Catholic Church!
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2023
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  18. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Sorry, but I can't separate the authority to appoint bishops from the legitimate authority of the papacy. I think that if the appointments of bishops made by an antipope were valid, then there would be something like an "autopilot" functioning in the church in the absence of a true commander, and I think this would go against the hierarchical pyramidal structure of the church (from top to bottom) that Pope Francis himself is wanting to replace with the synodal structure.
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  19. Michael_Pio

    Michael_Pio Archangels

    Yes, I see where you are coming from. I don't know the answer. All I know is that some things are going massively wrong in the Holy Catholic Church at the moment. May Our Lady come and spread her mantle over the Church.
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  20. Clare A

    Clare A Archangels

    This is my view too. It looks muddly and no doubt is but we are in a miasma of confusion at the moment. I think everyone on this forum agrees we have a big problem so perhaps we should focus on points where we are in agreement? We need to have our guns focused on the fifth columnists who have infiltrated our church and are doing untold harm.

    To think that when Ratzinger was elected most of us thought the devil had been put firmly back in his box. I punched the air and jumped for joy while my teenaged children looked worried for my sanity.

    Now it’s as if the nightmare just goes on and on.
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