Ireland’s Tragic Abandonment of Catholic Teaching

Discussion in 'Spirit of Ireland' started by garabandal, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

  2. Jonah

    Jonah Angels

    I can't post the link but lifesite news has a piece today on the inclusion by Irish Bishops in a program to accompany the World Meeting of Families of a picture of lesbians embracing...
  3. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Bishops use Pope’s teaching to push homosexuality at 2018 World Meeting of Families

    DUBLIN, Ireland, October 17, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — Catholic bishops in Ireland are using Pope Francis teachings on marriage and family to promote homosexual couples as a new form of “family” in the upcoming World Meeting of Families.

    The World Meeting of Families is set to take place in Dublin next August. It is described on the official website as a major international event that “brings together families from across the world to celebrate, pray and reflect upon the central importance of marriage and the family as the cornerstone of our lives, of society, and of the Church.”

    The event will focus on Pope Francis’ controversial 2016 Exhortation Amoris Laetitia (Joy of Love), highlighting the theme “The Gospel of the Family: Joy for the World.” Pope Francis is expected to attend the event.

    Since Amoris Laetitia’s release in April 2016, more than a thousand Catholic academics and clergy (cardinals, bishops, priests) have voiced concern about the exhortation’s seeming incompatibility with Catholic moral teaching. Catholic philosopher Dr. Josef Seifert has demonstrated how the Pope’s teaching could be used to overturn Catholic teaching against contracepted sex and homosexuality.

    Last month, dozens of Catholic clergy and lay scholars from around the world issued a Filial Correction to Pope Francis for “propagating heresy.” They asserted that Pope Francis has supported heretical positions about marriage, moral life, and the Eucharist that are causing a host of “heresies and other errors” to spread throughout the Catholic Church.

    A program to prepare families for the upcoming World Meeting of Families has already been released under the oversight of Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin.

    Screen shot from "Amoris- Let’s talk Family! Let’s be Family!"
    The six-part program titled “Amoris: Let’s talk Family! Let’s be Family!” contains explicit promotion of homosexual relationships as a form of family, saying that such relationships provide “mutual support” for active homosexuals.

    Page 24 of the document, under the section "The Christian Vision for the Family,” contains a picture of two lesbians on a bridge clinging intimately to one another.

    The photo shows a young woman in a sleeveless top being embraced by another young woman who is standing behind her. Tattooed onto one of the woman’s hands is an eye-catching “gay-pride” rainbow flag.

    The text immediately above the photo reads: "While the Church upholds the ideal of marriage as a permanent commitment between a man and a woman, other unions exist which provide mutual support to the couple. Pope Francis encourages us never to exclude but to accompany these couples also, with love, care and support.”

    Getty Images has the full photo of the two women embracing. Tags used for the photo include “lesbian,” “homosexual couple,” and “gay rights.”

    Embed from Getty Images
    LifeSiteNews reached out to Archbishop Martin, who is overseeing the World Meeting of Families, and asked if the homosexual image and text was inserted into the program by mistake. No response was given.

    The promotion of homosexuality at the World Meeting of Families by Irish bishops appears to be deliberate.

    On Friday, October 13, Bishop Brendan Leahy of Limerick said homosexual couples must be welcomed at the World Meeting of Families.

    Leahy, speaking to reporters after his diocese launched the pro-homosexual preparation program, said it would be a missed opportunity if the Church failed to embrace “family” in all its variety.

    "We've had the referendum in favour of same-sex ‘marriage’ and a lot of people voted in that referendum and all are equally welcome to join in this celebration of family,” he said, as reported by the Independent.

    "We are living in changing times and family too is changing," he added.

    Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin Patrick Craine / LifeSiteNews
    Prior to this, in October last year, Archbishop Martin said Catholic bishops must not “allow ourselves to be become entangled in trying to produce definitions of the family,” because different cultural values mean family “cannot be defined simply.”

    The Catholic Church, however, teaches that God created humans as “male and female” and gave them to each other in marriage so they could “increase and multiply.”

    Sexual attraction, as well as the sexual act between a married man and woman, have been specifically created by God for the purpose of procreation. The Catholic Church remains true to God’s original creative plan when she declares authoritatively and for all time that homosexual acts are “acts of grave depravity” and “intrinsically disordered” since they are “contrary to the natural law” in that they “close the sexual act to the gift of life.”

    “They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved,” states the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

    Cardinal Carlo Caffarra, in one of his last presentations before he died, called homosexuality a work of Satan that “denies entirely the truth of marriage” as it comes from the “mind of God the Creator.” He said Satan is attempting to use homosexuality as a battering ram to destroy one of the main “pillars of creation,” namely marriage.

    The Church is also being consistent when she teaches that sexual attraction to someone of the same sex is “objectively disordered” since God created sexual attraction to exist between a male and female for the sake of procreation.

    The Church teaches that everyone who struggles with disordered tendencies, including tendencies to lust, masturbation, fornication, adultery, pornography, and homosexuality, must be “accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.”

    Following Saint Augustine, the Church holds that Christians must always “love” the sinner but “hate” the sin.

    Anthony Murphy, founder and editor of Catholic Voice newspaper and the founder of Lumen Fidei Institute, said homosexuality is “anti-family” and has no place at a Catholic meeting of families.

    “Are homosexual acts sinful or not? Our Catholic faith teaches us that they are. They are among the most anti-family acts of all. So what on earth are our Catholic leaders doing promoting homosexuality in the program that is supposed to help families prepare for the World Meeting of Families?” he told LifeSiteNews.

    Murphy said that while the program gives a nod to homosexual behavior, it entirely fails to address Catholic moral teaching on chastity, contraception, and abortion.

    “Leaving out any mention of abortion is a glaring omission at any time, but particularly in the Irish context, when we are about to have a referendum on whether or not our unborn can be legally killed,” he said.

    Murphy said the organizers of the event are failing families.

    “To give implicit approval to homosexuality, which the Church has always taught to be one of the four sins that cry to heaven for vengeance, while failing to decry abortion, is nothing short of a dereliction of duty,” he said.

    Cardinal Caffarra told participants at a family conference in Rome last May that approval of homosexuality coming from all quarters shows that the “final battle”’ between God and Satan has come.

    Caffarra, one of the dubia signers, outlined how Fatima visionary Sister Lucia once wrote to him after he had asked her for prayers as he founded the John Paul II Institute for marriage and family. She told him that the final battle between God and Satan will be over marriage and the family.

    "What Sister Lucia said in those days is being fulfilled in these days of ours," said Caffarra at that time.

    The last World Meeting of Families took place in 2015 in Philadelphia and was attended by Pope Francis. Philadelphia’s mayor used a platform given to him at the event in front of tens of thousands of Catholic pilgrims to promote the “rights” of homosexuals.


    Readers who wish to respectfully make their concerns known to the organizers of the 2018 World Meeting of Families can do so by email: or alternatively contact the Archbishop of Dublin:

    Most Rev. Diarmuid Martin, Archbishop’s House, Drumcondra, Dublin 9.
    Tel: 01837 3732
    Secretary to the Archbishop Mr. Joseph Merrick
    Email: joseph@abhouse.org1
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  4. Jonah

    Jonah Angels

    Thanks for posting this article in full, it's truly alarming.
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  5. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Three/or 4ughts on world meeting of the families Ireland 2018

    1. Looks costly the whole thing - glossy booklets and embedded videos & animations

    2. Wishy washy popular soap style delivery

    3. Avoid like the plague!

    (Stay at home & say the Rosary)
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  6. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    If this is the best the Catholic Church can come up with in Ireland --

    It is finished - no wonder the pews are empty.
  7. CrewDog

    CrewDog Archangels

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  8. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I read it , but I can hardly believe it. I knew things were terrible, but this is an abomination.

    How long oh Lord? How Long? How long must we suffer these abominations put forth in thy Holy Name? Heaven itself cries out for vengeance! The chalice , once full runneth over.
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  9. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I am totally amazed at God's patience. Amazed.

    But the Chastisement for Ireland the entire world will be truly, truly terrible for these abominations given in His Name. Prayer! Penance! The Angels stand with swords drawn!
  10. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    True, true, true.
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  11. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes swords drawn. The abomination of desolation in the Holy Place. How long will God remain patient when the Holy Bride of His Son is being defiled like this?
  12. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    Here is a message I feel very pertinent to the tragedy in Ireland yesterday. The women of Ireland shouted the loudest and the majority of men stood back silent and obedient to the will of the women. Just like poor Adam and Eve.

    On March 8, 2018 Christina's soul was filled with an infused knowledge concerning God's creation of man and woman. Though she has never read or reflected on the text of Scripture - nor, for that matter, any book- Christina said afterwards,

    "It was made totally clear to me
    that man and woman were not created in the same way. Man who was created first was created outrightly by God. Woman, who was created only afterwards to be a companion and help-mate to man because man was lonely, was not created outrightly but fashioned by God from the side of man. Woman was taken "from man". Eve, the weaker of the two, succumbed to the seduction of the devil and became the means of Adam's temptation and fall. God, of course, never planned sin to occur but when sin came about through humanity's fall and His Divine Son came as Redeemer, He came as man - in the male form. Jesus would not dishonour the creative will of His Father by coming in any way other than as man. Therefore, the one eternal Priesthood of Christ can be conferred only on man. In their ordination priests receive union with the authority of Christ even though many may not be in the full understanding of this. This union in the authority of Christ authorises and empowers the priest to act in the person of Christ, going out as He sent the first apostles, to offer His Sacrifice, forgive sins, preach, heal and cast out demons in His Name. Is it any wonder that we see repeated in our world today the same rebellious spirit at work on the part of woman, that though everything else is open to her to avail of, the one thing she defiantly seeks is to be equal to God in the One Priesthood of Christ? Nor is it any wonder, either, that woman in our time should be agitating against the will of God so angrily and so furiously and leading the charge for freedom even to murder through abortion little babies conceived in lust?"

    Christina adds, "I convey this knowledge in respect and deference to God, though I am well aware of the criticism it will bring me".
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  13. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    :cry::cry::cry: Most heavenly Father, in this time of desolation and abandenment, please keep our eyes on you as we pray fervently for the miraculous conversion of the world. Our hearts are heavy, and though we know you are always with us, please touch us with your presence as it is our only comfort at this time.
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  14. padraig

    padraig New Member

    After I left mass today I had a chilling feeling of fearful presentiment. It reminded me of what Billy Graham once said:

    "if God does not punish the world He owes a huge apology to Sodom and Gomorrah'.
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  15. Seagrace

    Seagrace Archangels

    I had a 'warning' about Ireland last year during the terrible storms. A sudden, terrible foreboding. I thought it was about the danger those storms posed for the land and its people.

    I know now it wasn't. It was the warning for this day of tragedy.
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  16. AED

    AED Powers

    It is an unspeakable betrayal but I suppose in hindsight we should have seen it coming. When Ireland voted in gay marriage I remember being unutterably shocked but it showed clearly that my idea of @Catholic" Ireland was a fiction.
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  17. AED

    AED Powers

    Just as my belief in Catholic Americans took a heavy hit when Obama was re-elected and Catholics had voted for him--had given him the winning vote. Unspeakable.
    There are then in the West what I would call cultural Catholics and then there are remnant Catholics who follow the true faith. We will all endure the chastisement together. That can't be avoided but I feel we must must must pray for Jesus to save souls who are headed to damnation. If even at the last minute grace of repentance will be given then all this spiritual anguish and suffering--United to Jesus--will be so very worth it. The world is lost but souls are not--not yet.
  18. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Yes, well although as well as facing the dark reality it is also good to be positive. The world grows ever darker; true, but the road opens wider and wider to us becoming great saints. It is easier to walk along a motorway than to trudge through a bog. It is easier to march by sunlight than the dark. Yet to travel along the most difficult path is the mark of the truest pilgrim.

    You don't learn to much driving along a highway. Climbing mountains is a great teacher.

    Rocks turn to cold in the furnace of affliction.

    God did not have us born into these terrible, terrible times of affliction by accident. Here the angels summoning you all to be great saints and martyrs and let your heart fill with joy at the glory that lies ahead for each of you if you stay the course of the Cross that awaits you.

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  19. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes Padraig. Absolutely. A great privilege.
  20. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Yes with God all things are positive, all things are light, everything turns out for the best in the End for those who love God.

    We are a happy and a smiling people. Which is why the martyrs of Ancient Rome Marched singing and laughing to their deaths..and their Glory.


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