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  1. Glenn

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    Fr. Ramon Andreu Testimony AUGUST 1, 1961
    "Many people have seen the girls hit their knees hard when they fall and they have always
    observed that they show no feeling of pain. I have seen them stay on their
    knees for over an hour on many occasions without complaining of exhaustion or
    pain. I have witnessed how they fall on their knees many times, including from
    one or two stairs high, and they do not show the slightest sign of pain. The
    most spectacular thing in this sense was when María Dolores was on her knees
    one night and fell forwards, hitting her neck very hard against the edge of the
    stairs. It made a very loud noise, and her head resisted; the girl ended up
    sitting on the floor. An exclamation went through everyone who was there, and
    there was fear in their faces. The girl laughed once she was sitting on the
    floor and she continued talking about an object with the vision as she had been
    doing before the fall."
    “In those postures, more or less invariable, but always on their knees (except Jacinta who on one or two occasions was as we have described), staying there for an hour and twenty-five minutes. The one who wrote this, although he was almost sitting, needed to change his posture at least twice in this same amount of time. Upon finishing the trance, they prayed the rosary without moving from the place or giving any sign of fatigue. The ground of the road was full of rocks as roads are in mountain villages; with natural rocks, that are well-traveled (that have unequal surfaces that cause the inexperienced to trip). Mari Cruz had a wedge of rock about 5 centimeters wide under her left knee. Towards the end of the apparition, the girls made a visor with their hands, as though they were contemplating something that was becoming brighter and brighter.
    Fr. Ramon Andreu,
    notebook #1 August 1,1961
  2. Glenn

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    Padre Pio's visit to Garabandal in bilocation!

    Conchita had written to Padre Pio requesting his advice on various subjects that concerned her, and before the letter had time to reach San Giovanni Rotondo, a group of Padre Pio's spiritual children composed of five Italians, one Frenchman, one Canadian, one Filipino and a Belgian priest, visit her in Garabandal, announcing to her the visit of Padre Pio to respond directly to her questions.

    Then, on October 10, 1967, through a phenomenon of bilocation (the capacity of one person to be present in two places at the same time), Padre Pio's visit to Conchita took place at his house, where he was about an hour . She can see his figure, unmistakable habit, hear his voice, kiss his hands and notice the penetrating and characteristic perfume that comes out of his wounds.

    During his visit, he said among other things that he had been in Garabandal four times and, as proof of the authenticity of his presence, he writes in a letter in Aramaic the phrase "in union of prayers" and signed P Pio.

    Note: It must be reported that Padre Pio never left during his entire religious life, from the Convent in San Giovanni Rotondo, Italy. His visit to Garabandal only happened by the process of bilocation that only happen to some saints. 10-10-67

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    The swaying movements began on the 31st of July. They were to be the prelude of yet more striking manifestations: the ecstatic falls, a kind of slow and graceful collapse of the children until they were stretched out on the ground.

    These falls occurred quite frequently. Every time they happened, the girls drew attention by their beauty, their grace and the modesty of their attitudes and expressions.

    Spectators could not help but be inclined to admire and respect them. The visionaries were always dressed in a most decent way, their clothes covering them sometimes even in a sliding movement opposite to the natural direction of the fall.

    Mari-Loli and Jacinta were the first to "inaugurate" this phenomenon; they would remain stretched out some ten minutes in this astonishing position.

    Brigadier Secco heard Mari-Loli asking her Vision: "If you don't help me, I could not get up." Then she was seen extending her arm, and as if raised by a mysterious force, "she slowly rose to a sitting position."

    [Excerpted from 'Garabandal' Book, pages 75-77.]

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  4. Glenn

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    Today in Garabandal History August 4,1961

    Conchita recounts the story in the book "Our Lady comes to Garabandal" . She said " I was returning from the fields, we met my Godmother Maximina Gonzalez, she was very excited and said this to us "Do you know the voice of the Blessed Virgin has been heard on a tape recorder ?" " What did she say I asked ? " She replied " Loli and Jacinta asked her (The Blessed Virgin) "Speak, Please Speak" and the people heard an answer : " No, I won’t speak " . My Godmother told me that people began to cry because they were very moved at having heard the Blessed Virgin's voice.

    You can download this whole story from the book ,
    Here is the link: (you can enlarge print with "+" sign in lower right corner,when you move your mouse there).
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  5. Glenn

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    Today in Garabandal History August 4,1962 :

    New recitation of the Hail Mary.

    August 4. At 9:30, after the rosary, the four girls went into ecstasy. They went to the cuadro then later to the Pines praying the rosary. During the Hail Mary, they said, "Holy Mary, Mother of God and our Mother." They descended backwards toward the church; they walked around it. It lasted about an hour. There were two seminary professors from San Sebastian, a Claretian priest, and Father Alba, S.J., from Barcelona as well as Father José Ramon.

    Father Valentin was struck by the addition of "our Mother" to the recitation of the Hail Mary. And he was not the only one. Luis Navas, the lawyer from Palencia, who was present that day, wrote: "We had never heard them say it this way, 'Mother of God and our Mother.' The village priest took note of this very interesting detail that so much reflects the maternal character of the Virgin. The visionaries' way of speaking, with their even-pitched, soft, delicate, melodious voices filled our souls with tranquility, as though we were feeling Our Lady above our heads."

    We can understand Mr. Navas's sentiments. But if the new form of the Hail Mary was a novelty to him, certainly it was not to Father Valentin, unless it was due to the tone and the persistence of the girls, since "Mother of God and our Mother" was heard for the first time in Garabandal on August 1 of the previous year, as has been mentioned. (Note: Our Lady told the visionaries that she liked it very much but told them it should not be used publicly unless it was approved by the Church.
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  6. Glenn

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    For the same reason as for the "calls" and the "falls," the "ecstatic walks" are typical events of San Sebastian de Garabandal. Their purpose was to draw attention to the apparitions (ecstasies).
    These walks were absolutely extraordinary; they consisted in the girls moving from place to place, sometimes at a very high speed. The visionaries, hand in hand, would move at a very rapid pace, without seeing anything of their itinerary. They did not stumble on the rocky roads they took, their eyes being fixed on the apparition guiding them. According to the children's explanations, they had the impression of being "settled comfortably" in a fixed position with respect to their vision.
    Here two of the girls are walking backwards. They would proceed in this way up to the Pines. On the steep slope of this same calleja , the children walked on their knees, without ever bruising themselves or experiencing the slightest pain as they came in contact with the rocky surface of the land. During the walks, the children appeared to be moved by an interior force that made the witnesses unable to hold them back. The rapid pace of the visionaries could become a race . . .
    A word about their "range of vision": the girls saw nothing but the Apparition herself.
    In one scene, Loli was alone in ecstasy, coming out of Conchita's home. She suddenly falls on her knees making a sharp noise. A few moments later, eyes fixed on heaven, arms outstretched, the upper body leaning forward, the pace of the visionary becomes more intense. It seems that she hardly touches the ground, as if she had "wings on her feet." The other three are not in ecstasy, they follow with difficulty.
    At the end of these ecstatic walks, while the witnesses, even the most athletic ones, are deadbeat, Loli, on her part, shows no signs of fatigue. She is simply a little pale, but gives the impression of being calm.
    [Excerpted from "Garabandal" Book, pages 81-83.]
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  7. Glenn

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    Three Brothers Hospitallers of St. John of God arrived at San Sebastian de Garabandal on this August 6, from the "Instituto Psiquiatro de Mondragon, the site of their apostolate.
    Visiting the village for the first time, they climbed up to the Pines. There they found Conchita with the three other girls. They offered to share their breakfast with them. But Conchita told them that the Angel (St. Michael) was to give her Holy Communion. Amazed, the Brothers of St. John of God were effectively to witness the "event," unable, of course, to see the Host. Nevertheless, they took superb photos of this ecstasy . . .
    [From 'Garabandal' Book, page 144]
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  9. Glenn

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    When Mary appeared as Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, wearing the Brown Scapular over her arm, she instantly sent a message of its importance. It also connected the Brown Scapular to the devotions Mary talked about (the rosary, the morning offering, etc) to the Garabandal messages.

    Mary has appeared in four apparitions with the Brown Scapular.

    Aylesford in 1251

    Lourdes 1858

    Fatima 1917

    Garabandal 1961-65

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  10. Irishguy2

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    Video was impressive with subtitles. I used to be a fan of garabandal but still on the fence 50-50. Lot of pros and cons.

    One of their message back then when I discovered it, struck me odd that time but it made a lot of sense now re church as it mentioned many bishops /cardinals/priests going to hell. Funny enough no mention of pope.

    Strangely conchita told Bishop that she denied that BM appeared there. I don't know what to make of it.

    Garabandal was impressive when I discovered it first time long ago. Then later, I came across unity publishing as they were against it re joey as one example . But still I'm on the fence.

    It was an impressive display from the video re apparitions there. One thing that struck me was these 3 girls were their happy, glowing faces. It seems that they must experienced spiritual joy. I came across that briefly once long ago.
  11. Glenn

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    Conchita was given a Polaroid camera and took this picture during her ecstasy of the Blessed Mother at the pines in Garabandal. This fact is stated by Mother Maria de las Nieves.

    Mother María de las Nieves García was told by Conchita that people wanted a photo of Our Lady, so one day they put a camera in her hands and told her how to operate it because she had no clue. After falling into ecstasy, Conchita started handling the camera as she had been instructed, and Our Lady smiled at her. Conchita told Our Lady that she was holding that thing because people wanted a photo of her, and Our Lady said to her, "I've come out [in the photo]." When the ecstasy ended, the photo was looked at: the result was a light shape of Our Lady on a dark background. Conchita's mother kept and cherished the photo on her bedside table until her death. conchita's poloroid.jpg
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  12. Glenn

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    UNITY is the biggest phony site there is ! I wrote them dozens of times screaming about the outright LIES , refuting every claim they posted, and NOT once would they post my remarks. That tells you they are prejudice and unfair, and covering up the TRUTH!

    He called it "Satanic". Here is his HIS post, and the rebuttle I wrote him.

    Throughout the four years of the apparitions all the powers of Satan were used. The girls were taken into the air many times. One time one of the children was lifted over the top of a building. They were made to do ungodly movements of the body: taken swiftly above the ground, down the rocky hill hundreds of feet to meet "The Lady?". In every case the children were FORCED to their knees in a quick undignified manor. Many times they were forced with their heads backwards in a position that could not be done naturally.

    All of the children were heard to speak in LANGUAGES they did not know. On one occasion they prayed the "Our Father" in Greek. The girls were seen LIFTING each other up above their shoulders to kiss the lady. However, at other times, three grown men could not lift them.

    Several times the girls were found SCREAMING. There were many "SIGNS IN THE SKY" seen by many people: moving stars, hosts, images, etc. In one case a fire was seen and the "Virgin" claimed that she had come in this FIRE.

    In one very celebrated case the "angel" gave communion to Conchita and the host could be visibly seen by everyone. She was told to hold out her tongue until the "Virgin" came. She stayed with her tongue outstretched and the host on it for a long time. Many photographs were taken.

    Let me stop laughing first. OK, The girls NEVER WERE TAKEN IN THE AIR,EVER. A few times they levitated only inches off the ground. EVERY picture verifies my claim. You will NEVER see them flying aoround,as he claimed, ABSOLUTE LiE #1.

    LIE #2 - they NEVER WERE LIFTED OVER A BUILDING. I will pay you $1000. If you can show me a picture of this, that’s how sure I am it’s a LIE !

    LIE #3- The girls NEVER “ were taken swiftly above the ground”. They DID in fact walk very rapidly up and down the rocky cow paths without getting injured, to everyone’s amazement !

    LIE #4 - “the children were FORCED to their knees in a quick undignified manor”. This again was to prove a point that the Blessed Mother was there, the children “fell to their knees , ON THE ROCKS BUT WERE NEVER HURT ,” NOT FORCED” (DOES THE Blessed Mother force children to their knees ? OF COURSE NOT !

    Finally a true statement !The girls were seen LIFTING each other up above their shoulders to kiss the lady.However,at other times, three grown men could not lift them.

    This was again the Blessed Mother PROVING to all there of her presence ! Since the girls were not strong enough to lift one another , and 3 men obviously should have been able to , THIS PROVES A SUPERNATURAL EVENT ! This proves it could NOT be faked !

    Several times the girls were found SCREAMING. There were many "SIGNS IN THE SKY" seen by many people: moving stars, hosts, images, etc. In one case a fire was seen and the "Virgin" claimed that she had come in this FIRE.

    In one very celebrated case the "angel" gave communion to Conchita and the host could be visibly seen by everyone. She was told to hold out her tongue until the "Virgin" came. She stayed with her tongue outstretched and the host on it for a long time. Many photographs were taken.

    The reason the girls were screaming was the Blessed Mother showed them the “future possible Chastisement” ,if the world doesn’t repent ! YES , 12 year old girls were horrified by the vision of a world being punished by fire ,WOULDN’T YOU ???


    If I get time later today I will show more of my rebuttles to this lying ,slanderous pig. I told him read this:
    ACTS 5 :39 “But if it be of God, you cannot overthrow it, lest perhaps you be found even to fight against God. “

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  13. Glenn

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    A little after 9:00 in the evening, the second session of that unforgettable day begins. Once again the four girls assemble in the church and before the main altar fall into ecstasy. They breathe deeply. Then they laugh, except for Conchita; she speaks, “Yes, as you wish, as you command . . . We don't care what direction we go. As you say . . . But we haven't given any proof, and the people don't believe.”

    Toward 9:40 they get up and leave the church in an ecstatic march. They stop at those locations in the village where ecstasies had taken place, and they pray there . . . Never had stations been made with such devotion in Garabandal. The people who silently followed the girls during their marches and devotedly accompanied them in their prayers were as if taken up by supernatural emotion. It seemed like the way of the Lord, the way of mercy for that village until then so lost and forgotten. Here the footsteps of God and the Virgin traced their way to people regarded as nothing by the world. In contrast to this world in a rush to secularization, what a night at Garabandal! And it was not the only one. It appeared destined to consecrate everything—the streets, the corners, the houses, the lonely trails, the quiet fields, the starry skies. In all the places where it could, heaven made contact with the earth; and in all the places it could, the inept human creature raised himself up to the one who watches in all places, near and far across a subtle veil. Oh noche que guiaste! In a tremulous silence, under an infinite summer sky, all that could be heard were the prayer at the stations and the rhythmic footsteps of the four girls locking arms while in rapture. Toward the end of the march they were heard to say, “On what day will we see you again, so that the people may come? . . . The people say that this is a sickness of ours, and the young boys have thrown stones at us . . . Well, if you are happy with us, it doesn't matter.” And when it seemed that everything was going to end, they undertook an ascent to the Pines that all the witnesses have classified as impressive not only on account of the appearance of the four girls, but also because of the speed and lightness of their march.

    “She went in haste to the Mountain” Ch.7 p. 177
  14. Glenn

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    Father Luis Maria Andreu Rodmilans was born in 1925 in Bilbao, Spain. He entered the Jesuit Scholasticate, at Ona, in 1942; he was ordained to the priesthood in 1955, then he studied at Innsbruck, Rome, Geneva and Paris.
    At the time of the Garabandal "events," the Andreu family was made up of six brothers. The eldest, Jose Maria, was married and lived in Madrid. Then came four priests, all of them Jesuits: Alejandro, a missionary in Venezuela; Ramon, today a missionary in California in the South American community; Luis; and finally Marcelino, a missionary in Taiwan. Rafael is the youngest.
    Father Luis came back to Garabandal for the third time, on the 8th of August 1961, in order to observe once more the ecstasies. On that day, the Pastor, Don Valentin, who had to go to Santander, entrusted him with the keys of the church. The Jesuit Father celebrated his Mass in "an admirable manner," said those who had taken part. This was to be his last Mass.
    In the evening of this Tuesday, and for the third time, the visionaries fell into ecstasy in the village church. When they came out of the church, they began a long ecstatic walk that Fr. Luis followed, from the beginning to the end, up to the Pines, where himself falling into ecstasy, the priest suddenly pronounced loudly the word "Miracle!", four times. His eyes fixed on heaven, he was granted to see the Blessed Virgin of Mount Carmel, and also, by anticipation, the future great Miracle which is to take place at San Sebatian de Garabandal. This was a unique event, and we know that the Jesuit Father had penetrated into the visionaries' "range of vision." They would later describe him in these few words: "He was there, on his knees, beads of perspiration on his forehead, the Blessed Virgin looking at him. We had the impression that she was telling him: 'Within a short time, you will be near me'."
    The ecstasy over, Padre Luis came down from the Pines and, with some of his friends, went down in a jeep to Cosio to await the arrival of some of the other persons with whom he had come, and who had preferred to walk back. It was about one in the morning. The Father was dozing in the vehicle when Don Valentin, who was just coming back to the village, joined him. Immediately, Luis spoke: "Don Valentin, what the children are saying is true! But I ask you not to repeat what I have just told you. For the Church will never be too prudent in such matters."
    At about four in the morning, while they were driving on the road to Reinosa, Luis spoke to his friends: "I am filled with joy! What a favor the Blessed Virgin has granted me! How lucky we are to have such a Mother in heaven! We must not be afraid of the supernatural. The children have taught us how to speak to the Blessed Virgin. For me, there can be no doubt! Why did the Blessed Virgin choose us, yes, us? Today is the happiest day of my life!"
    Then he became silent. There was a sigh. Fr. Luis' head fell forward. He was dead! He was 36 years old. Father Luis' involvement with Garabandal was far from being over. In fact, it was revealed to Conchita that "on the day following the future great Miracle, his body will be found just as he was, when he died!" [Incorrupt.]
    [Excerpted from 'Garabandal' Book, pages 84-87.]
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  15. Advocata Nostra

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    Glenn, these are perfect examples of why I will never use that website as a reliable source of information. I’m glad you pointed out what you did here. May Our Lady of Mt. Carmel of Garabandal pray for us!
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  16. Luan Ribeiro

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    although there were several councils in the history of the Church, I thought about the possibility that Conchita was referring to a second council in Jerusalem, the holy city where the first council of the Church was, the only one with the presence of the apostles, perhaps a "Second Jerusalem Council "fundamental for the unification of the Churches prophesied in Garanbadal.
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    UNITY POST: Garabandal condemned by Bishop. As we have stated many times, the only proof we need in any apparition is the decision of the local Bishop. He, and he alone, has the charisma of discernment in these matters. Not only did the Bishop in 1965 condemn Garabandal, but five bishops after him have condemned it. Even Rome had to come into the picture to aid the Bishop.


    The Church Position on Garabandal
    The Church has a very strict and precise terminology for judging alleged apparitions (very few apparitions are officially approved). According to the norms of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, alleged apparitions are classified in one of three categories:
    Constat de supernaturalitate - It is certain that the events are of supernatural origin.
    Constat de non supernaturalitate - It is certain that the events are not of supernatural origin.
    Non-constat de supernaturalitate - It is not certain that the events are of supernatural origin.
    So where does Garabandal stand? In a clarificatory letter (English translation published in the EWTN website) dated June 8, 1993 written by Jose Vilaplana, Bishop of Santander (the local Diocese to which Garabandal belongs), the Bishop wrote the following:
    All the bishops of the diocese from 1961 through 1970 asserted that the supernatural character of the said apparitions, that took place around that time, could not be confirmed. [non- constaba].

    POPE PAUL VI QUOTES ON GARABANDAL (after interviewing Conchita ! )

    “ Conchita, I bless you and with me the whole church will bless you “.

    Father Escalada explained his work in spreading the message of Garabandal in Mexico and the Pope Paul VI encouraged him to continue saying: "These messages must be made known." Father Escalada asked the Pope for his permission to continue promoting Garabandal and the Pope said “YES”. Pope Paul VI said :

    "It is the most beautiful story of humanity since the days of Christ. It is like a second life of the Virgin on earth. And we can never be grateful enough for it."

    Pope John Paul II - on Garabandal

    There is a book on Garabandal, written by Albrecht Weber in 1993, entitled Garabandal Der Zeigefmger Gottes (Garabandal: The Finger of God), of which a first edition copy was presented to Pope John Paul II. He later asked his secretary, Fr. (now Archbishop) Stanislaus Dziwisz, to write to the author. In the subsequent printing (2000) of the book, on page 19, a portion of the Pope's message is reprinted, as follows:"May God reward you for everything. Especially for the deep love with which you are making the events connected with Garabandal more widely known. May the Message of the Mother of God find an entrance into hearts before it is too late. As an expression of joy and gratitude, the Holy Father gives you his apostolic blessing."Weber writes, "From the attached greeting in the Pope's own handwriting, with his signature, it is clear how deep an interest he has in the events of Garabandal, and how anxious he is that they should be made known in a credible way."

    Regarding the theological content of the Messages, in His “Official Note” of July 8, 1965 Bishop Eugenio Beitia of Santander wrote, “We point out, however, that we have not found anything deserving of ecclesiastical censorship or condemnation either in the doctrine or in the spiritual recommendations that have been publicized as having been addressed to the faithful, for these contain an exhortation to prayer and sacrifice, to Eucharistic devotion, to veneration of Our Lady in traditional praiseworthy ways, and to holy fear of God offended by our sins. They simply repeat the common doctrine of the Church in these matters.”

    Fr.Francis A. Benac, S.J., Interviews Bishop Del Val.
    (summary of 2 Interviews from 1978 & 1979 )
    1. That Garabandal is not a closed issue.
    2. That the Bishop is willing to listen to testimony of the witnesses to the apparitions and that he has appointed the parish priest of Puentenansa and Garabandal to record those testimonies.
    3. That he always has been open, non-judgmental and willing to consider any new phenomena that may occur there.
    4. That he considers the happenings at Garabandal a difficult problem that has not yet been resolved.
    5. That he has never condemned Garabandal.
    6. That he admits it has been astounding how the messages of Garabandal have reached the four corners of the world, as was demonstrated by the presence of 200 delegates from 26 countries in all the five continents at the World Marian Congress on Garabandal.
    7. That he would have no objection should the Holy See, in collaboration with the Diocese of Santander, form a new Pontifical Commission to examine all the phenomena.

    Conchita received a letter, dated February12, 2007, from Archbishop Carlos Sierra of Oviedo, then the acting Apostolic Administrator for the Diocese of Santander, which read:
    “I want you to know that I am open to receiving and considering all information about Garabandal, and would like to continue—as long as our Holy Father wishes me to serve as Apostolic Administrator—the work that my brothers at the Bishopric have already done in reference to this subject. What I have just done is authorize the priests to go to Garabandal and hold Holy Mass at the Parish, at any desired time, and to administer the Sacrament of Reconciliation to anyone that wishes to receive it. I am sure the next Bishop will promote further studies to examine in depth the Garabandal events and will send the findings to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in Rome. I respect apparitions and have known of authentic conversions. How can we not always feel the need to open our heart to our Mother Mary to tell her that we need her protection, her help, her courage, her hope, her faith and her love when faced with these events! I encourage you to keep maintaining such devotion toward our Mother”.

    The Vatican knows the date of the “Miracle”. Obviously, if they thought the date was not going to happen or it passed they would have made a final ruling…they have not !

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  19. Advocata Nostra

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    Excellent points of clarification. People need to hear this.~AN
  20. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    These last two points are especially huge and telling :D
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