Evil Empire or Russia Consecrated?

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Richard67, Nov 18, 2014.

  1. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I still find it hard not to think that the fall of the Soviet Union and its Eastern European empire was a work of God's Grace. I've said it in a few places, at various times, on Mother of God that Pope John Paul II's attempt to consecrate Russia might have been quite imperfect but was still enough to initiate an incredible, bloodless collapse of the Evil Empire. Certainly, Russia is still very despotic, but the errors of the former Russia have long spread far and wide, hardly a surprise since the Consecration was not only imperfect, but delayed long beyond the time Our Lady asked for it to be done. The seeds of communism were sown in the West well before the 1989-1991 collapse and, if anything, have produced even more demonic fruits in the West than in the East. In the Soviet bloc, the errors had to be enforced by gun and Gulag-in the Western world, people seem to be more than willing to embrace them. At least Stalin never had the neck to claim that the Communists were the real Christians, he simply ruthlessly and unapologetically liquidated all opposition.
     
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  2. Ezdras

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    At the moment Russia is more Christian than the west.
    I think Russia is not fully consecrated. Otherwise we'd have the era of peace. Putin asked Pope Francis to consecrate Russia and he refused...who serves whom?

    The world needs Disclosure. That will make the era of peace possible. All secret tech free energy, unlimited food and new medicines. As computers already arrived. Hope the countries will agree to make it ,together, without WW3. But cataclysmic scenario is also possible, also in case of unannounced planetary disaster.

    Without disclosure that is already late, I think WW3 is unavoidable. Endless drills and build up. North Korea has 60 nukes alone, said today the South.
     
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  3. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The only thing you say that is debatable, is whether Russia is more Christian then the west. Hard to measure that because of all the prop's that Russia allows to be staged in their fake media. I rather doubt their abortion rates have dropped anymore than any other country. I doubt that their leadership in alcoholism has decreased any more than others and a person could go on and on with subjectivity on all the sins of Russia vs the rest of the world. It is a fact that Putin is one of, if not thee the richest men in the world now and how did he get to be in that elite group? What is certain, is that Russia/communism will be the scourge of the world and its evil ideologies have all but completed what Our Lady of Fatima spoke of.
     
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  4. Ezdras

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    Don't know how you get your data on Russia. Abortions after the fifth month were forbidden even during the communism. How about usa? Alcoholism is bad for health indeed, but it is not a sin to drink by itself. Compare it to the drug addicted in the west.

    Why Putin is Rich? And why Trump is, and everyone you guys in the west bow in front as your next Messiah? I am now in USA and I'm disgusted of the fact the common poor people can't go to a doctor, that a simple exam without the actual treatment costs 400$ at least, while it is lauded by the president the health system is so good and non communist...let itbe communist then if that means you go to a doctor!

    Back on the topic. Russia may not be Eden garden, as there isn't such a place on Earth. Russian leaders may not be saints.( And please notice Mr Putin doesn't rule as dictator in 21 century of information tech, there are other people responsible for different things...gen. Shoigu a believer being one of them, pm Medvedev abeliever, and many others). Russia made tremendous progress in spirituality since ussr time that the west could not dream of. I don't even talk of the latest modern morality issues...because I am not here for that.

    For me pope Francis is a failed pope despite all of its Jesuit rhetoric and rate of apprival among those far from catholic church...if prophet Malachi is correct, that could be the last pope...not Second coming though.

    the Russian Orthodox Church stands as a mighty warrior of Christ aided by archangels powers that still restrains the Antichrist to climb up...until the time appointed by God known only by Him...for those readers who do not know, they could read online. Russian orthodox church is second biggest Christian Church on Earth ( if Vatican fails and roman catholicChurch disintegrates, that may change further). Hundreds of bishops lead their consecration ultimately to St Andrew the apostle. They have never been ordained by Rome. So it is absurd to expect some conversion to Rome. Instead, Rome must Repent for historic gross errors, including the schism , and more recently the Inquisition for example. Such repentance doesn't occur, those are big historic crimes ,indeed not done by today's clergy but they must be named and atoned for. so I wouldn't be surprised if the Vatican ends up in the way it treated the others.
     
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  5. Ezdras

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    Furthermore..if the conspiracy theories about the Vatican are partially true, and I stress idont know how much or what percent, then we may expect a self fulfilment of prophecies like Malachi or Fatima official, by those people in the shadow who actually want and work for it to happen. Simple resignation of Francis will destroy the validity of Malachi. And why doesn't he do it on 82 with one lung?

    But no surprise, if those prophecies spent decades in Vatican archives, as Fatima, and centuries as Malachi before being announced. With the record of Vatican dealing with the truth, everything could be expected. Notice i dont use the name the Catholic Church... Much more could be said...make your own conclusions.

    Why that name of the telescope in Arizona, for God's sake? EU named it? But everyone knows it as the Vatican telescope. Poor Giordano Bruno, he just said a word and was burned. Ok dear Jesuit brothers, tell us who you observe? Nibiru? Or we should read the books of...Tom Horn for more info on what you do in secret? I'm critical at his conclusions but he has a number of facts listed there that are not being answered in daylight.

    So...Russia is the bad guy? After that secret spent decades unchecked by anyone? And even there are doubts of Lucia's identity, two lucias?

    Ok let say it, Medvedev said it there are aliens. The problem is who is who among them. Namely, who of them are allied with the secret Vatican structures for a long time. And who come in the name of Jesus Christ. How could you discern angel from demon if they have the same nature and the demon shows itself as angel?

    Instead of absurd synods trying to buy Time, the Vatican could explain all that. But they know what they do...

    If pope Francis has good intentions he would retire many more people, not just single cases, and would announce all those secrets. Reportedly by father Kramer, Putin wanted Russia to be consecrated, Francis didn't want. Fr Gruner said he had extensive briefing on Fatima to Russian diplomatic officials.

    Go and say after that Russia is the bad guy, the one that serves the demon, and most of worlds problems are thanks to Russia. And I will still believe Fatima was unchanged for all those years by similar secretive people?
     
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  6. Ezdras

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    Why would Lucia write down the second secret in 1941 under the orders of...ultimately pope Pius XII , only when Nazi Germany attacked the Soviet Union the same year? Why didnt those orders come a year earlier? Or a decade earlier? I question the validity of the second secret for a politically motivated Vatican in the disturbing time of WW2. Now we know that without the Soviet Union great sacrifice, supported by the Orthodox Church, there wouldn't be victory and Europe would be Nazi for long.

    And the third secret, no one of us knows it. Speculation upon speculation. Otherwise those secretive....people would have published it.

    Most suggestions on the third secret are based on the second secret officialtext. And it might be as flawed as everything else.
     
  7. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Abortion Numbers Plummet in Russia: Slava Bogu!
    Michael Matt | Editor

    Pro-Life Russian "Propaganda" Saves Babies' Lives!

    Good news for a change! According to OrthoChristian.com, the number of abortions in Russia has dropped by nearly two-thirds since 2000.

    In 2000, there were 2,138,000 recorded abortions in Russia, and in 2017—779,999.

    “That’s a very serious decline—63.5%,” Deputy Prime Minister Tatiana Golikova noted.

    Moreover, the number of Russians who condemn abortion has tripled in 20 years, from 12 to 35%.

    REMNANT COMMENT: Maybe all this has something to do with all this...



    To all those who'll now predictably jump to dismiss this as a lot of propagandistic rot, let me just add this: I. Don't. Care!

    If Christian symbolism has become powerful enough in Russia to induce the state to exploit it for political gain, I say: Slava Bogu!

    If even a century of atheism has failed to tear out Mother Russia's Christian soul to such an extent that pretending to be Christian now wins elections over there, I say: Slava Bogu!

    If Putin believes that posing as a Christian will cause him to be more beloved by his people and more feared by the brainless, soulless, heartless walking dead of the New World Order amassing on his borders, I say Slava Bogu!

    A world drunk on atheistic secularism desperately needs the example of political leaders at the very least going through the motions of believing in God...even if it is nothing more than window dressing. Everybody wins, and we'll just have to wait for history to tell us if Putin really meant it or not. I hope and pray that he does. But even if he doesn't: Bring it on, Vlad, and Slava Bogu!

    https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/in.../item/4161-abortion-numbers-plummet-in-russia
     
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  8. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    If the figures are true then this for me is a real sign that something extraordinary is happening.
     
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  9. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Russia’s Interfax news today is reason to up the prayers and sacrifices. Things aren’t looking good and it seems that the situation is about to take a turn for the worse in Syria, Ukraine and the Deep State is going to try and undermine and damage Trump even further in terms of foreign policy:

    November, 25, 2018

    16:41 Russian FSB sees actions by 3 Ukrainian warships in Black Sea as 'deliberate provocation' aimed at 'creating conflict situation'

    16:34 Russian warplanes sent to patrol Kerch Strait over incident involving Ukrainian warships

    15:51 KOSACHYOV ON UKRAINIAN MILITARY'S ACTIONS IN KERCH STRAIT: RUSSIA WON'T FLINCH, WILL WITHSTAND ANY PSYCHOLOGICAL, POLITICAL, OR MILITARY BLOWS

    15:46 KOSACHYOV: UKRAINIAN MILITARY PROVOKING RUSSIA INTO RESPONSE IN KERCH STRAIT TO PRESENT THIS AS RUSSIA'S AGGRESSION AFTERWARDS

    15:44 SOME SIGNS INDICATE THAT MILITANTS IN SYRIA PREPARING TO USE CHEMICAL MUNITIONS AGAIN - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY

    15:43 RUSSIAN RECONNAISSANCE UNITS IDENTIFY WEAPONS MILITANTS USED TO LAUNCH CHEMICAL ATTACK ON ALEPPO IN IDLIB DEMILITARIZED ZONE - DEFENSE MINISTRY

    15:37 RUSSIAN AEROSPACE FORCES DESTROY POSITIONS OF TERRORISTS THAT FIRED CHEMICAL MUNITIONS UPON ALEPPO IN SYRIA - DEFENSE MINISTRY

    14:36 LAVROV ON PUTIN-TRUMP MEETING: TRUMP'S OPPONENTS MIGHT AGAIN RESORT TO PROVOCATIONS, TRY TO DESTROY RUSSIAN-U.S. RELATIONS

    November 24, 2018:

    4:27 U.S. USING ISIL TO TOPPLE CURRENT GOVT IN SYRIA - LAVROV

    http://www.interfax.com/news.asp?y=2018&m=11&d=25
     
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  10. AED

    AED Powers

    Praying Russia into my Rosary.
     
  11. Ezdras

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    The incident cannot be taken out of context of the whole history of Crimea. Here is what Wikipedia writes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea
    "Crimea (or Tauric Peninsula, as it was called from antiquity until the early modern period) has historically been at the boundary between the classical world and the Pontic–Caspian steppe. Its southern fringe was colonised by the Greeks, the Persians, the Romans, the Byzantine Empire, the Crimean Goths, the Genoeseand the Ottoman Empire, while at the same time its interior was occupied by a changing cast of invading steppe nomads and empires, such as the Cimmerians, Scythians, Sarmatians, Goths, Alans, Bulgars, Huns, Khazars, Kipchaks, Mongols and the Golden Horde. Crimea and adjacent territories were united in the Crimean Khanate during the 15th to 18th century.

    In 1783, Crimea became a part of the Russian Empire as the result of the Russo-Turkish War (1768–1774). Following the Russian Revolution of 1917, Crimea became an autonomous republic within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in the USSR. During World War II, Crimea was downgraded to the Crimean Oblast and then, in 1954, it was transferred to the Ukrainian SSRfrom the Russian SFSR.[6]

    With the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine was formed as an independent state in 1991 and most of the peninsula was reorganized as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, while the city of Sevastopol retained its special status within Ukraine.

    The 1997 Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleetpartitioned the former Soviet Black Sea Fleet and allowed Russia to continue basing its fleet in Crimea: both the Ukrainian Naval Forcesand Russian's Black Sea Fleet were to be headquartered in Sevastopol. Ukraine extended Russia's lease of the naval facilities under the 2010 Kharkiv Pact in exchange for further discounted natural gas.

    In March 2014, following the Ukrainian revolution and subsequent takeover of the territory by pro-Russian separatists and Russian Armed Forces,[7] a Crimea-only referendum, deemed unconstitutional by the Ukrainian Constitutional Court,[8][9][10] was held on whether to leave Ukraine and join Russia; the official result was that a large majority of Crimeans wished to join with Russia.[11]Russia then incorporated the Republic of Crimea and the federal city of Sevastopol as federal subjects of Russia.[12] "


    As we can see, Crimea is no more different than any other place on the European continent, with frequent invasions lasting for some time only to be changed later with other invasions. The Ukrainians themselves are not one homogeneous nation, 17% of them are Russians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Ukraine and those are highly concentrated on the East of Dnieper river and also Odessa region.

    One cannot also ignore the fact that during WW2 the Russians and the other nations in the USSR liberated those lands from a Crushing Nazi invasion. One that history didn't know until then, that reached to Moscow and Caucasus, prompting Stalin to ask for peace at that point, that Hitler refused. The blood of 20 millions was shed for these lands, and for the rest of Europe to be free of Nazism.

    The neonazism is on the rise in modern Ukraine...

    So...what much more different would you do, if you were Russian president? See the statements of Poroshenko. How much worse should it become, before Russia says, Enough is enough? Russia is on defense since 1991 giving up territory after territory, including of countries who were traditionally allied with USSR. Once it will stop, whether we like it or not. The question is, will it be stopped at the cost of a nuclear war? Putin is actually playing soft ball. Generals and politicians are much harsher than he is, unhappy of the way he is too soft with the West. May be the West should be happy there is Vladimir Vladimirovich ruling in Moscow, and that his automatic successor is Mr. Medvedev who continued his policy as one term president.
     
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  12. Ezdras

    Ezdras Guest

    What would happen if the putch (coup) against Gorbachev was successful, if the second putch against Yeltsin was successful, and if today there wasn't Vladimir Putin but someone else.

    The following film production of Germany of such hypothetical yet very realistic events, is a good way to start realizing where we stand in 2018, 29 years after the fall of Berlin Wall.

     
  13. Ezdras

    Ezdras Guest

    See what the Europeans think. Angela Merkel doesn't give any new military help to Ukraine.
    https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-president-asks-germany-nato-to-send-ships-to-sea-of-azov/a-46496564
    "The EU's top diplomat, Federica Mogherini, on Wednesday night issued a statement expressing "utmost concern about the dangerous increase of tensions" and dismay at the "unacceptable" use of force by Russia. It called on Russia to release the Ukrainian vessels and sailors it seized and ensure unrestricted sea access.

    There was no mention of sanctions in the statement. The bloc is divided on imposing further measures against Moscow. Countries such as Italy, Greece, Belgium and Cyprus have been calling for a softer approach to Russia, as Germany and France have focused on measures to ease tensions. Only the three former Soviet states on the Baltic Sea — Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania — backed by Poland and the UK called for tougher language against Moscow."​

    And it was proven, by two crew members' confessions and by the Ukrainian government service itself, that they were secret agents on board. Interesting enough, besides the fact Ukraine didn't ask permission for the passage as it DID before.

    Let see what happens tomorrow in Argentina. Russia is not the only hot topic for Trump. Chinese president openly warned of WW3 as a result of the economic war. That is the first time ever I hear from a Chinese president such words.

    And may be the biggest test for all, not only for Trump, is how they will shake hands and make photos with a proven mastermind of satanic cruel murder, de facto head of S.A. who is waging war on innocent children and hospitals in Yemen. If they don't distance themselves, that will have enormous psychological and moral repercussions at their own countries. Because most of these countries pretend to lead the world community to a better civilized world of human rights. The world is not anymore the world of before WW2, with controlled radio broadcasts of Nazi propaganda, with blocked other waves of the radio spectrum. The world already knows details of Kashoggi's death,and much more.

    I expect a miracle tomorrow or on Saturday, that will show the justice prevails, at least in the words, when the whole world is watching. 7 bln humans with free will, let say 2/3 of them have TV access and will learn the news. Whatever faith they are, they do care whether their families have a happy life, and they do pray in their own way. It matters, as we are told the wars are result of the cumulative decisions /sins of humans.

    If not..brace for the worst case scenario. Because the world leaders in that case would demonstratively show disrespect to the human life, in the case of the violent live cutting off the body of Kashoggi. Not that other atrocities don't happen all the time. (many of you will say, how about the abortions). But that is the one shown to every place in the world via TV, proven by US intelligence and Turkey's records as organized state level international murder by extremely cruel way, by the one who determines to great level the US policy in the most volatile region of the Middle East. Coincidentally, MBS could stand for Mabus of Nostradamus.

    And the pope better do something while still there is a time. He is not there only to list on New year's day of peace the world hot spots, as if he is the medieval emperor of the holy roman empire. He will either do more than that, or he is simply the last in the list.
     
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  14. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Yes, and after all the remarks that Trump made regarding 911 and the Saudi connection to it upon his being elected makes an agreement with SA including a truly bazaar photo op of the event with the rulers placing their hands on an illuminated globe surrounded by their followers.
    While America provides billions of dollars in arms sales and training to a nation who's practices toward others are deplorable.
     
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  15. Ezdras

    Ezdras Guest

    Trump just cancelled meeting with Putin.
    Will he meet MBS instead? That would be very bad for his presidency. As far as I know, he doesn't intend to meet MBS but who knows.
    The same is valid for Merkel and all the rest. I am all in expectation...although we cannot do more than prayer.
     
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  16. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Honestly, I suspect that there will be something major that happens at this meeting. Perhaps an assassination to kick off the war. Trump is beginning to do things that are angering the people who supported him so I would not be surprised if he met with MBS because to be quite honest I do not think he intends to serve another term in spite of his occasional remarks about running.
     
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  17. Richard67

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    I never thought I would say it (having campaigned and voted for Trump) but he’s turning out to be a Neocon deceiver. The fact is that contrary to his “America First” campaign rhetoric, he continues to support the butchers in Saudi Arabia, continues to support the demonic, anti-Christ “Syrian Rebels” in their war against Assad, and continues to support the genocidal, Nazi Junta currently occupying Kiev. The first red flag for me was the fact that he hired so many Neocon swamp creatures. The second red flag is the major disconnect between Trump’s rhetoric and actions. I think Putin and the Russians were even fooled by Trump and are now realizing the folly of having given him the benefit of the doubt in hopes of restoring positive relations. “Q” wants us to “just wait a little longer” but I think I’ve seen all I need to conclude that Trump has no intention of putting “America First” and following the advice of the Founders when it comes to foreign policy. He’s been hypnotized by the Neocons and this will be his undoing.
     
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  18. SteveD

    SteveD Archangels

    The FSB know how to get people to confess and, of course, the Russians would never think to put secret agents on their own vessels (because they are too busy poisoning people). You are not that naïve.
     
  19. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Pretty bazaar statement made by Putin today regarding the situation in Ukraine;

    https://www.rt.com/news/445050-putin-kerch-strait-provocation/

    ‘Kiev would get away even with eating babies’: Putin says Kerch Strait standoff is a provocation
    Published time: 28 Nov, 2018 12:00 Edited time: 29 Nov, 2018 11:06
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    President Vladimir Putin said the clash between Russian and Ukrainian military ships was a result of foreign nations failing to hold Kiev accountable for bad behavior as long as it remains confrontational towards Russia.
    They were the first remarks made by the Russian leader since the confrontation in the Kerch Strait, a narrow passageway between the Black Sea and the Azov Sea, where a strategic bridge connecting Crimea to mainland Russia is located.

    “The authorities in Kiev are selling anti-Russian sentiment with quite a success today. They have nothing else to do,” Putin said during a business forum in Moscow.

    The Russian president said it seemed like Kiev could get away with anything as far as foreign nations supporting Ukraine’s anti-Russian stance were concerned.

    If they demand babies for breakfast, they would probably be served babies. They’d say: ‘Why not, they are hungry, what is to be done about it?’ This is such a shortsighted policy and it cannot have a good outcome. It makes the Ukrainian leadership complacent, gives them no incentive to do normal political work in their country or pursue a normal economic policy.

    Putin said the incident, which ended in Russia’s seizure of three Ukrainian ships and Kiev imposing a partial martial law in the country, was a “dirty game” by Poroshenko, who needs to suppress his political opponents ahead of the March presidential election. He affirmed that the Ukrainian side was responsible for the escalation of tensions, since the incident was a deliberate and planned provocation by the Ukrainian Navy.

    Also on rt.com Ukraine security chief admits intel agents were on board Navy ships during Kerch standoff
    The Russian leader also defended the border guards who stopped the Ukrainian ships from passing through the Kerch Strait, saying it was their duty as sworn service members to do so and that, if they failed, they could face a tribunal for defying an order.
     

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