Yes. This is my situation too. Dis couragement is a real trap. But very hard to detour away from it. But I have resolved ( yet again) to press on trusting that Jesus King of Mercy will be merciful at that crucial moment and save them. And me too for that matter.
The bible literally says the dragon is the serpent is satan. Revelation 12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. Also, we find out the seven heads represent the seven empires from Daniel. Everything in revelation is decoded by understanding other parts of the bible. It is how John wrote it, so that those who read it would be confused unless they knew scripture.
Thanks for posting this. I lived in a small suburb of DC that was populated by a large number of Catholics and military families. It was wonderful and safe and I might add, holy. The church was packed on Sunday Mass with aisles full. Parking lot full.
Good description. We all are being attacked in the area of discouragement, I venture to say. “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen” Hebrews 11:1
You're welcome. IDK if you are interested, but Sam Shamoun does a great exegesis on Revelation 12 which is well worth watching. There are 5 parts. https://www.youtube.com/@shamounian/search?query=revelation 12 revisited PT Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel does an excellent exegesis on the whole of Revelation. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLakZkFjRRZB_Zi__O-JEhHQVbVPFmqMjK
The original facsimile was sent to the owners of the Tradition in Action website in 2010. The TIA people were very skeptical about it until they had a handwriting expert verify that the handwriting matches the known handwriting of Sister Lucia. Here is the link to the explanation of the final "solution" to some of the problems the original facsimile had. https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g33ht_Decipher.htm Apparently, the original had been manipulated with photoshop. The changes made were not very substantial. But they made the TIA people suspicious.
Yes, the "dragon" is the "serpent" and "the devil" and "Satan." I never said otherwise. I was addressing this line in your original post: "The seven headed dragon in revelation is satan, but the seven heads represent 7 empires..." In your formulation, you mixed up the "the Beast with seven heads and ten horns" with "the dragon." The "Beast" and the "Dragon" are two different things in the Apocalypse. I explained how they are different. The Dragon = Satan, the devil, the old serpent. The Beast with seven heads and ten horns = the sequence of governors of the Vatican City-State, since 1929. The False Prophet = the Antichrist, the Little Horn, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, who is an illegally-elected Antipope. Near the very end of this story. Satan will "enter" (completely possess) the False Prophet and give him miraculous powers, which will allow him to use "the Beast" (the institution of the Counterfeit Catholic Church) to control mankind not in the state of grace. He will control with pseudo-theological seduction, not physical force. His method of deception is described as the "operation of error" in 2 Thessalonians 2.
This is why I don't take anything you say seriously. Just like when you said the nazis existed in the 1800's. Also it is clear you don't understand scripture. I provided proof of how John was referring to Daniel in the book of Revelation. You simply dismissed it and provided some other gobly gook which has no reference to scripture at all. Everything John wrote in revelation relates to other parts of the bible, it is coded this way.
This is what I said in the first lines of my post: "Pax Prima, I think you are incorrect to say that the "seven headed dragon in revelation is satan." Yes, Satan and the dragon are the same entity in the Apocalypse. But the Beast "with seven heads and ten horns" is not identical to Satan, although it is influenced by Satan and his False Prophet. The fact that the dragon, the Beast and the False Prophet are three separate entities is proven by Apocalypse 16:13..." Please look at the bold statement above. Then look at what you wrote in reply to me: "The bible literally says the dragon is the serpent is satan." You seem to think that "the serpent" is the same thing as "the Beast with seven heads and ten horns." You are incorrect. The Apocalypse does not say that. You are confused. Yes, the "serpent" is the "dragon" is "Satan." But the "Beast with seven heads and ten horns" is a different entity, a legal entity, the Vatican City-State, created in law in 1929 by the Lateran Treaty. And, for the record, I never said that "the nazis" (as in the national socialist party) existed in the 1900s. I said that the word "nazi" existed in the 1900s. You really should read more carefully and speak truthfully.
Pay attention PNF, first you said this Then I said this Then you said this Why are you lying PNF? Also, I never said the Dragon is the same as the Beast. But clearly they are related. Both have seven heads and 10 horns. The Dragon gives power to the Beast. The only difference they have is in the number of Crowns. In Daniel 8:8-9 a little horn replaces 4 horns which explains this. Revelation 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Revelation 13:1 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
Again, you said "seven headed dragon in revelation is satan." Note, I have underlined and bolded the part of your statement that we disagree about. We agree that the "dragon" and "Satan" and the "serpent" are all the same thing in the Apocalypse. The part we disagree on is your confounding of the "dragon" and the "Beast with seven heads and ten horns." The "dragon" is never described as having "seven heads." Only "the Beast" is described as having "seven heads." So when you say, as you did, "the seven headed dragon" is even mentioned in the Apocalypse, you have made a mistake. That is what I was trying to point out to you. Do you understand now? Again, the "Beast" is not the "Dragon." The "Beast" is not the "serpent." The "Beast" is not "Satan." The "Beast with seven heads and ten horns" is also called "the Beast from the Sea." The other "Beast" of the Apocalypse is "the Beast from the Earth," who is also called "the False Prophet." The False Prophet (again, "the Beast from the Earth") is a related to the Beast from the Sea because he is its final "head," the "eighth" (illegitimate) head (Apocalypse 17:11) and also the "little horn" (Daniel 7:8). The False Prophet is a Cardinal pretending to be Pope, an antipope.
You are being disingenuous so let me point it out to you again. First you said this Then I said this Then you said this Why are you lying PNF? The Dragon and the Beast both have 7 heads and ten crowns PNF. Clearly it is you who are confused. I would be embarrassed if I were you. Especially since in the first quote I make from you, in this post, you literally reference the 7 headed dragon. So here is another lie from you. I will point out your lies regarding the nazis later on, I have other things to do for now.
I was not lying. I was not aware of that example from Apocalypse 12:3 in which the "dragon" is confounded with the "Beast with seven heads and ten horns." Thank you for pointing it out. However, it doesn't change the main point I was trying to help you understand. The following verses from Chapter 13 clarify: 1 And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten diadems, and upon his heads names of blasphemy. 2 And the beast, which I saw, was like to a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him [the Beast] his [the Dragon's] own strength, and great power. 3 And I saw one of his [the Beast's] heads as it were slain to death: and his death's wound was healed. And all the earth was in admiration after the beast. 4 And they adored the dragon, which gave power to the beast: and they adored the beast, saying: Who is like to the beast? and who shall be able to fight with him? So clearly, the dragon and the beast are not precisely identical, although they related because the dragon gives his strength to the beast and the beast adores the dragon. Again, this is because the dragon, the beast and the false prophet are the unholy trinity (three-in-one) similar to the Holy Trinity. It is important to understand the three separate entities of the unholy trinity and how they are related to one another. Apocalypse chapter 17 goes into more detail about how the Beast is related to the Harlot of Babylon.
Quit playing games please. It's clear you knew the dragon had seven heads from your initial post here. What happened is that I pointed out a verse you did not know, that says the dragon = serpent = satan and you tried to cover your ignorance, which spun off into a whole bunch of other lies. How can you help me out with anything when you don't even know what you're talking about? Again, I never said the Dragon and the Beast are the same. Quit with the straw-men arguments.
Here is where you posted a letter allegedly from Albert Pike to Giuseppe Mazzini in 1871. In it it says that Nazism must be destroyed in WWII. But the Nazis did not exist in the 1800's. So clearly it is a forgery and a joke. I pointed this out here. You then realized this was the case, but couldn't admit you were wrong and the document was a joke, so you tried to find some other way to prove the letter was legitimate here. But it was all nonsense. So then I politely told you that you were reaching here. Because it was obviously nonsensical in relation to the letter. But you still couldn't admit it, so you shifted away from the Nazis to Mazzini and fascism here. I didn't reply because it was obvious you would keep trying to prop up the letter which was obviously blown out of the water. And now you post here that you were only trying to prove the world nazi existed in the 1800's. When in reality you were trying to assert that Albert Pike in 1871, knew that the Nazis were going to be in WWII, even though they don't come to power for another seventy years. So you tried as hard as you could to point to the world Nazi being in use during the 1800's, trying to give any shred of legitimacy you could to the bogus letter. You obviously failed, so now you are back tracking saying you only tried to say the word Nazi existed in the 1800's. More lies.
I apologize for my ignorance about Apocalypse 12:3. But I can assure you that I was not and am not playing games. I was and am trying to help you. You stated: "The seven headed dragon in revelation is satan, but the seven heads represent 7 empires. The seven empires were the Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian Mede, Greek, Roman and one more yet to come." That interpretation is incorrect. Satan/the Dragon, understood in the strict sense, doesn't have seven heads. The "Beast from the Sea" has seven heads. In Apocalypse 12:3, St. John just collapsed the full description, which he provides a full account of later, in chapters 13 and 17 specifically. The seven heads of the Beast do not represent 7 literal empires. The empires discussed in Daniel are allegorical figures. They are a veiled reference to realities in the Church. The seven heads are the Popes since 1929 (excluding Bergoglio, of course). The empires are the regimes of the different Popes since 1929. Learn to read prophecy allegorically or you will make these same literalist mistakes over and over again. The reason this is important is that your original comment suggested that the enemies of Christ discussed in the prophecies of Daniel and the Apocalypse are geo-political nations/empires. Here's your quote: If this is prophesied chastisement, everything has to unfold. I also like the quote that Brian posted, talking about the mystery of how Godless peoples over history constantly rise to power. These same Godless people always follow a pattern of hating Christianity. No, the prophecies, properly interpreted, say that chastisement comes from within the Counterfeit Catholic Church, aka "the Beast." This is explained in Apocalypse, chapter 17: 11 And the beast which was, and is not: the same also is the eighth [the False Prophet/Antichrist/Bergoglio], and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest, are ten kings [Cardinals], who have not yet received a kingdom, but shall receive power as kings one hour after the beast. 13 These have one design: and their strength and power they shall deliver to the beast. 14 These shall fight with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, because he is Lord of lords, and King of kings, and they that are with him are called, and elect, and faithful. 15 And he said to me: The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot [the Counterfeit Church followers] sitteth, are peoples, and nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest in the beast: these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her with fire. 17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled. The chastisement is against the harlot Church members/followers/the laity. The instrument of chastisement is the harlot Church hierarchy [the False Prophet and the Ten Horns]. This understanding is fundamental. The enemy is within, not outside "the Counterfeit Church." The members of the Harlot, maintain communion with heretics in the satanically-influenced hierarchy. That is why the members of the Harlot will be chastised, prior to the complete destruction of Babylon, the Counterfeit Church itself.
How many times do I have to post this PNF? How is it not obvious at this point? Revelation 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Revelation 12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. It literally says that satan is the great dragon, in the same chapter, so context dictates that satan is the dragon with seven heads. I don't care about what other gobbly gook you come out with. It isn't scriptural. Also, I have proven that the 7 heads are empires in Daniel. Literally half of Revelation 13 are references to Daniel. Your ridiculousness regarding the Popes is absurd. I honestly believe you are a shill at this point. Please block me and don't respond to my posts and I will do the same with you.
