Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by garabandal, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. BrianK

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  2. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    This whole thing has been a bit of a wake up maybe for some people in the West who don't understand how communist governments hide and obscure anything that can be considered bad press for the beloved social construct or order.

    Yes, it was reported that before he went to an urgent care and warned the Dr that he may have been exposed he had come into close contact with 38 people who they have since been trying to contact to observe for symptoms as well. We are fortunate that he came forward willingly to a clinic and warned the Dr., in the Seattle area there are so many businesses that send back and forth professionals to China on business trips I would not be surprised if we end up having many more cases or already do undiagnosed.
    What I have not seen any information regarding and I wonder if they even are aware of is how long this virus can live exposed to air on a common item such as a door knob.

    Also something that we here in the states have a leg up on is general hygiene. China has horrible hygiene practices and this goes for their top tier cities and is worse as it becomes more rural. It is rare that people use soap there. As well, people in the US I think will be more apt to come forward if they know they may have been exposed and begin to exhibit any symptoms so as not to expose others. I have seen videos of people in China who are deliberately ducking the checkposts and putting others at risk purposely saying they have been exposed and then posting about it on Instagram. Now I have no idea if these are fake and for attention or not but knowing that people there would walk over a body laying in the streets and not give it a second look it would not surprise me if this were the case. The culture there is very different from the West in these regards.

    We talked with my FIL and have not heard much about his wife. She isn't answering her phone at the center when we try her and the front desk has referred us to her Dr when we asked for updates. They did tell us that the reason for the quarantine of the facility was due to both staff and patients having a nasty stomach bug that was causing all sorts of problems. Unfortunately this set off another alarm bell.
    My MIL was actually hospitalized due to a similar issue. After the respiratory illness set in it then turned into extreme problems with staying off the pot. She couldn't keep anything down and it turned into dehydration and then finally pneumonia.
    It is the same sequence as the problems in China and that is what makes me concerned because that would mean she picked it up a month or more before it had even begun being talked about.
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  3. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

  4. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

  5. Fatima

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    I purchased my Hawthorne leaves from✓ several years ago and still green. They are vacuum packed will last for years.
  6. djmoforegon

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    Prayers for you and your family, Don.. I heard the the virus can life up to five days on a surface. I believe that info was from this fellow's website but I'm not sure. Listen to his most recent video but it is one day old and news is developing rapidly.
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  7. padraig

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    I hear that there is widespread panic in areas of China. It reminds me of reports of panic in the USA during the Spanish Flu of 1918. Then they sealed of their towns and villages with bands of amed men so strangers could not get in. But the flu still entered through the mail man and milk deliveries.

    In China they are using steel diggers to erect barricades around towns and villages and refusing entry to anyone.

    Poor , poor people. How history repeats itself.

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  8. AED

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    There is a flu virus with a cough that can last for 6 weeks. I have been battling g it. Best thing to do is stay in away from others and drink lots of fluids and rest. This advice e from my doctor a few days ago. It has tanked my immune system it seems. Very hard to get rid of if you dont stay in and take care of it--which I didnt sadly. I've been battling it on and off since Christmas. I have asthma so that complicates it. I hope you get rid of it soon.
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  9. padraig

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    Prayers for both.:)
  10. AED

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    The respiratory pneumonia could have come from vomiting and accidentally inhaling it. That happened to my mother. I sure hope that is all it is. It is scary to know it has already been identified in your area.
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  11. AED

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    Thank you Padraig!
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  12. AED

    AED Powers

    This man is very informative.
  13. HeavenlyHosts

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    Prayers, AED
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  14. Katfalls

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    Take echinacea and vitamin C every day to help get over the cough.
  15. padraig

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  16. djmoforegon

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    Another update Sunday evening.

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  17. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    They say this...

    Officials have said they expect that number to grow as dozens more people are being tested for the virus that's sickened more than 1,975 and killed 56 in at least 12 countries

    So they do this...

    TEN Chinese cities have been locked down, airports, trains, buses, highways, all closed - 33 MILLION people! Disney World Shanghai is closed indefinitely, 70,000 movie theaters in the country, and the Forbidden City and Great Wall in Beijing are closed!

    California had...

    45 people die from flue last week and 110,000 in the entire United States. And it’s normal.

    What are they not telling us?
  18. Byron

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    We battled it in my family too. It seemed it would never go away. The Zpack helped right away.
  19. padraig

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    The numbers just do not add up.

    But countries like Russia and the USA can tell what is happening by Satelite and IT surveillance.

    I would be interested in seeing their Military movements to see how they are preparing. Because from this you could tell how bad the Kremlin and the White House know it is going to get. The Kremlin preparations would be especially interesting as they share a huge land border with China. Troop movements along this border would be especially interesting.
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  20. padraig

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    Novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV: early estimation of epidemiological parameters and epidemic predictions

    Jonathan M. Read1, Jessica R.E. Bridgen1, Derek A.T. Cummings2, Antonia Ho3, Chris P. Jewell1


    1. Centre for Health Informatics, Computing and Statistics, Lancaster Medical School, Lancaster University, Lancaster, United Kingdom.

    2. Department of Biology and Emerging Pathogens Institute, University of Florida, Gainesville, United States of America.

    3. Medical Research Council-University of Glasgow Centre for Virus Research, Glasgow, United Kingdom.


    Key findings

    ● We estimate the basic reproduction number of the infection (0) to be significantly greater than one. We estimate it to be between 3.6 and 4.0, indicating that 72-75% of transmissions must be prevented by control measures for infections to stop increasing.

    ● We estimate that only 5.1% (95%CI, 4.8–5.5) of infections in Wuhan are identified, indicating a large number of infections in the community, and also reflecting the difficulty in detecting cases of this new disease. Surveillance for this novel pathogen has been launched very quickly by public health authorities in China, allowing for rapid assessment of the speed of increase of cases in Wuhan and other areas.

    ● If no change in control or transmission happens, then we expect further outbreaks to occur in other Chinese cities, and that infections will continue to be exported to international destinations at an increasing rate. In 14 days’ time (4 February 2020), our model predicts the number of infected people in Wuhan to be greater than 190 thousand (prediction interval, 132,751 to 273,649). We predict the cities with the largest outbreaks elsewhere in China to be Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, Chongqing and Chengdu. We also predict that by 4 Feb 2020, the countries or special administrative regions at greatest risk of importing infections through air travel are Thailand, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and South Korea.

    ● Our model suggests that travel restrictions from and to Wuhan city are unlikely to be effective in halting transmission across China; with a 99% effective reduction in travel, the size of the epidemic outside of Wuhan may only be reduced by 24.9% on 4 February.

    ● There are important caveats to the reliability of our model predictions, based on the assumptions underpinning the model as well as the data used to fit the model. These should be considered when interpreting our findings.


    In December 2019, a novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) is thought to have emerged into the human population in Wuhan, China. The number of identified cases in Wuhan has increased

    . CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0 International license It is made available under a is the author/funder, who has granted medRxiv a license to display the preprint in perpetuity. (which was not peer-reviewed) preprint The copyright holder for this. doi: medRxiv preprint first posted online Jan. 24, 2020 ;
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