Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by garabandal, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. BrianK

    BrianK Archangels Staff Member

    Probably. But there are still those who are not yet vaccinated but need reinforcement in their resolve not to take the jab. It’s hard to walk away from that.

    Circumstances in the coming days, weeks and months may dictate we are no longer able to raise an alarm. The feeling that something big and nefarious is directly upon us is seemingly universal.
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  2. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    AED….God blessed me yesterday with this message. I’m praying that I can’t keep it alive in my heart. The world is getting darker, and soon our only light will be God. How anyone lives without faith is a mystery to me. Thank you Jesus for the greatest gift in the world.
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  3. MMM

    MMM Archangels

    Me and my family have not taken the jab and won't. We're in Ontario and Premier Doug Ford says he will not support vax passports. Quebec and Nova Scotia recently announced they are and want to prevent unvaxed from going to any non essential business or service. No bars, restaurants, patios, theatres, sporting events, etc. My daughters University announced yesterday no one on campus unvaxed. Thankfully she is in final year and can do online and live a home again this coming year. The council in the small town where I work sent a letter pushing our premier to put in the passport.

    What these fools now realize is the vaccine doesn't work and the Pandemic isn't ending so they need to reward those that got it by offering something to them. Turning normal things in a free society into rewards and punishing the unvaxed. Even though there is zero logic behind it.

    Feels like the walls are closing in fast. I'm really feeling a level of unease. Through prayer I know resisting is what God wants for us so we will try to trust in Him and carry on. See it as a blessing and offer the coming struggles for others salvation even though we may look the fools by many family, friends and coworkers.
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  4. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Great post
  5. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie


    I agree with you here. I did not get, nor did I want the vax. I have tried to discourage others from getting it because of the numerous concerns that surrounds it,..all of them.

    I was greatly disappointed …actually angered, that the pope was one of the loudest voices pushing it, thereby giving permission to Catholics to get with.

    The cases you stated of those who took the vax and essentially risking their life to help others was just one of numerous cases where individuals took the vax in a self sacrificing effort to help others. Yes, some did it in either in fear or ignorance long before the full facts came to light….and we still don’t know everything.

    Personally, I do not feel it is either my right or prerogative to judge those souls who got vaxed or who were pressured into getting vaxed. There are so many that for many reasons unknown but only to God that got the vax. Many, I’m sure have regrets as more information comes to light. Im feeling sorrow for them and the last thing I feel the need to do is to judge them. Only God knows their heart and the reasons they made the decision that they did. Our own pope pushed this and if any blame should be assigned for people of faith getting vaxed, much of it falls on him as many relied on his direction re this vaccine.

    I only feel mercy and love here. It’s way above my pay grade to judge anyone who got this vaccination. I pray to God that I’m not forced to get it against my will….I pray God gives me the grace to resist it against whatever forces persist in mandating it. I pray for everyone here because non of us are perfect or make perfect decisions…myself included.
    God have mercy on all of us….only God Himself knows what’s coming…
    We may all need His mercy…I certainly do.
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  6. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    I’m sorry to hear this Brian…I’m sure it worries you. Please don’t put yourself at risk again.
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  7. AED

    AED Powers

    MMM God bless you. What you suggest is all we can do. There is no way out if this for anybody vaxxed or un-vaxxed it appears. It is not an ordinary virus and it seems to me that ordinary science does not work in this case. Repentence prayer and fasting are our weapons now. Keep immune systems up and be very prudent in public. These new variants are exceedingly contagious with heavier viral loads. Rosaries!!!!!
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  8. AED

    AED Powers

    Excellent post.
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  9. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    I agree that the abortion tainted vaccines were a sure sign to avoid it. But we have to remember that many Catholics look to the pope for direction on this and sadly, he actually encouraged it. I trust God will have mercy on those poor souls.
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  10. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Thank you AED for reminding us of the repentance prayer….Sr. Agnes of Akita requested that the repentance rosary be prayed just before the pandemic outbreak. I need to do this….i think Sr. Agnes’s request was a gift from heaven for us.
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  11. AED

    AED Powers

    Beth it was not just the pope. Fr Spitzer Fr Pavone Fr Pacwa all reassured Catholics that according to the magisterium in this situation they could be vaccinated without fear of offending God. These are heavy hitters spiritually speaking. There are documents under JPII that set this out long before covid came along. Devout Catholic doctors and good priests have advocated for this. One's conscience must be the final arbiter but if after much prayer some have decided to protect themselves and others (in their estimation) then we must be very careful in pointing fingers. Extremes exist on both sides. A doctor friend of ours last week told me he has no sympathy at all for those getting deathly sick if they refused vaccination!!! Scary even terrifying. Needless to say he is social friend not a close friend.
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  12. Denise P

    Denise P Archangels

    I just took my first dose yesterday. What worries me is that my pharmacy of choice was out out it, as was every pharmacy in my town. I got it from a chain grocery- pharmacy about 20 minutes away. I have 2 more refills but suppose when I go for my refill they are out and can’t get it for awhile?
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  13. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Yes… thank you for reminding me of the other powerful, forceful and prominent Catholic voices who gave consent to the vaccine. This was a great influence on many good and faithful Catholics. And yes, extremes exist on both sides. This issue is dividing families, friends, and even folks here. The devil must just love the havoc he has created.
    I pray that if we error, we error on the side of mercy. I pray that Gods let’s our love triumph over anything. Only He knows our heart.
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  14. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Denise, you might want to get the ivermectin horse paste as a “ back up”….just in case.
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  15. thomas21

    thomas21 Archangels

    The reason I feel that the warning is close is because the vax will become practically mandatory this fall in some places. Like in the Philipinnes you will not be able to go to the grocery shop without proof of being vaxxed.

    But who knows, I've been expecting it since last year.
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  16. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    I pray that the warning is close…it will be a mercy to the world!
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  17. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    I was just texted this article minutes ago by a close friend. As it relates to much of the discussion here at MOG, I’m posting it here. In my opinion, it is a excellent summation of events to date:

    The Abortion Ties of the COVID Vaccines: A Deal-Killer or No Big Deal?
    The harvesting of unborn babies, with beating hearts, is an ongoing evil. Do you want to benefit from i[​IMG]

    Yesterday I went to visit my doctor. Why? Mainly, because a good friend of mine and his family came down with COVID. He’s an MMA athlete, and the illness left him, as he put it, “at death’s door.” That is, until his doctor put him on Azithromycin and Prednisone, which quickly relieved his lungs and got him on the path to recovery. My friend strongly advised me, as a pudgy couch potato at higher risk of COVID death, to get hold of these medicines in advance and have them ready in case.

    Thankfully, my doctor agreed, and gave me the prescriptions. So if (or maybe when) I come down with COVID, I won’t be half-dead, scrambling for answers, getting tested in parking lots. I’m also getting on a regimen of vitamins C and D, plus zinc, to help my immune system. I pass this advice along to you.

    No, Doctor, I’m Not a Crank
    One hurdle I knew I’d face with my doctor: explaining why I will not accept the vaccine. When he asked, I explained that I couldn’t take the current approved vaccines “for religious reasons.” That didn’t seem to explain anything to him, so I continued. “They’re linked to abortion.”

    He smiled, “No, no there are some that aren’t,” and proceeded to tell me about Pfizer’s product.

    “But that was tested on cells from an aborted baby,” I said. “I don’t want to benefit from an abortion, so I won’t take it.”

    He looked unsatisfied, but shrugged, and (thank you, Lord!) wrote me the prescription for Azithromycin and Prednisone. They will sit in my apartment along with the guns I hope I’ll never be forced to use in anger.

    Maybe You Didn’t Know
    If my doctor didn’t know this fact, I’ll bet a lot of my readers don’t either. Many of you may have innocently gotten the vaccine. And I’m not here to judge you for what you did in all good faith. But we all deserve to know the truth. Especially if we’re still weighing our decisions about the vaccine. And about the use of government or corporate coercion to impose the vaccine on everyone.

    Later this week, I will unpack the moral and even eschatological implications of governments, many employers, and even some of our churches, pressuring millions of Americans to benefit from abortion. In fact, I’ll go through a prophetic, unsettling essay of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano. He calls the use of aborted fetal cells in medicine “a human sacrifice of innocent victims offered to Satan.”

    Just reading that makes me wince. I can hear Larry David’s voice in my head saying “That’s pret-ty strong language there, pret-ty strong.” But having read Vigano’s letter and parsed the logic, I can’t say that I find any flaws. Let’s save that for Friday’s column, though.

  18. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    But Isn’t Pfizer’s Okey-Dokey?
    For now, let’s just look at the facts about Pfizer. Its vaccine has the fewest apparent ethical concerns (compared to say, Johnson and Johnson). I’m using as a reference a heavily documented information sheet provided by Children of God for Life.

    Please Support The Stream: Equipping Christians to Think Clearly About the Political, Economic and Moral Issues of Our Day.
    The company did not use fetal cells in developing the vaccine. No cloned cells from unborn babies appear in it, nor will be injected into your bloodstream. Nobody at Pfizer called up Planned Parenthood and ordered fetal organs from a baby born alive, delivered in a Styrofoam cooler. That’s what apparently happened at the University of Pittsburgh, with NIH funding. Instead, Pfizer followed what is a standard corporate procedure, and avoided testing the vaccine on animals — don’t want to upset the activists, outraged (as I am) at cruel beagle experiments such as Anthony Fauci approved.

    But Pfizer did test the vaccine on cells cloned from a single aborted fetus. Alas, the child never had a name. We do know it was an unborn baby girl, aborted in the Netherlands around 1972. Pro-life bioethicists in Britain decided to do her justice and name her “Johanna Vera Alderliesten.”

    Let’s Not Lie About Johanna’s Death
    Researcher Alex van der Erb, Ph.D., who developed the kidney cell line Pfizer used from Johanna’s DNA, testified before the FDA [see p. 81] that Johanna was healthy. He said that the reason for her abortion was unclear. Johanna’s kidney must have been carefully harvested, then tissue from it cloned. Since then, Johanna’s genetic heritage provided medical researchers with a free fire zone for thousands of clinical tests, on products that helped millions of patients, and generated billions in revenue.

    Some people have been spreading the misinformation that Johanna “might” have been a miscarriage. Sadly, one of those promoting this groundless claim is a Catholic priest, M.I.T.-trained scientist Fr. Nicanor Austriaco. He did so in the influential neoconservative journal The Public Discourse. His claim contradicts the testimony of Prof. van der Erb, who flatly asserted that Johanna was “an abortion.” The priest’s speculative claim also flies in the face of the scientific realities of fetal tissue harvest.
  19. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    A “Carefully Planned Abortion”
    As José L. Trasancos, Ph.D., explained here at The Stream, miscarried fetuses are useless as sources for fetal tissue, because they are already dead.

    No competent biologist would even try to establish a living cell line from dead tissue.

    [E]ven a run-of-the-mill abortion probably wouldn’t suffice. For research purposes, fetal tissue must be harvested and cooled within minutes of the abortion. The scientific literature strongly implies that the abortions are carefully coordinated with tissue harvesting. One gets the clear sense that the abortion and the harvesting of the desired tissue were planned to preserve the integrity of the tissue.

    In summary, establishing a living cell line from dead tissue is not possible. The cell lines used to test and/or develop the available COVID-19 vaccines came from abortion and deliberate planning, not spontaneous miscarriage or stillbirth.

    Our Cannibal Doctors Are Working Day and Night
    In other words, Johanna’s death was likely coordinated in advance with a researcher. With someone like Prof. van der Erb, who wanted her organs and was ready to harvest them almost instantly. Timing and cell decay after death is a problem which researchers such as those at the University of Pittsburgh seem to have “solved.” How? Easy. By obtaining the fetuses while they were still alive, and vivisecting them. As Republican Senate candidate Sean Parnell describes the procedure:

    “I saw some news that the University of Pittsburgh was conducting research on extracting kidneys from unborn babies … extracting their kidneys while their hearts were still beating, in the University of Pittsburgh, in my backyard,” Parnell said. “That’s horrific. That’s evil.”

    Center for Medical Progress founder David Daleiden notes that the University of Pittsburgh has admitted to removing kidneys from children like Johanna while their hearts are still beating:

    Pitt is now admitting to news media that the aborted babies are still alive at the time their kidneys are cut out for NIH grant money. Pitt’s grant application for GUDMAP advertised this to the federal government and that labor induction abortions, where the baby is pushed out of the mother whole, would be ‘used to obtain the tissue.’ The plain meaning of the GUDMAP grant application, and the University of Pittsburgh’s statement today explaining it, is that Pitt and the Planned Parenthood abortion providers responsible for its ‘research’ abortions are allowing babies, some of the age of viability, to be delivered alive, and then killing them by cutting their kidneys out.”

    Was Johanna, the victim whose body was raided to produce the cell lines that Pfizer used to test its vaccine, killed that way? Was Prof. van der Erb or someone like him standing alongside the abortionist, ready to reap the harvest? We’ll never know. Van der Erb told the FDA that such records has been “lost.” I bet they have.

    What You Need to Know
    There are some things we do know. I’ll list them, so people can remember them when deciding about the least ethically questionable vaccine available in the U.S.

    1. Johanna was aborted, not miscarried.
    2. She was almost certainly aborted in collusion with the tissue harvester, otherwise her kidneys would have been dead and the tissue useless.
    3. Abortions directly linked to harvesting organs and tissue are still going on, and being funded by our government.
    4. So the evil of fetal tissue harvest is not “remote,” and the fact that Johanna died more than 30 years ago is morally irrelevant. It’s an ongoing, even escalating evil, which we’re rewarding by making it profitable.
    5. By taking vaccines derived from Johanna and her fellow abortion victims, we are willingly benefiting from a profound, continuing evil — just as surely as if we were buying kidneys on the black market that China harvested from religious prisoners of conscience, as Forbes reports it’s still doing. This Vatican, which greenlit our taking the vaccine, sent Pope Francis’ right hand man, Bishop Marcelo Sorondo, to a conference of China’s organ harvesters, where he flattered the Chinese regime.
    Now that you know all this: Do you want to benefit from such deaths? Should the deaths of such innocents give us life? Do you really want to go to the throne of God a few years later than you might have, with this cup of cold poison on your conscience?

    I sure as Hell don’t. And I use the “H” word advisedly.

    John Zmirak is a senior editor at The Stream and author or co-author of ten books, including The Politically Incorrect Guide to Immigration and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Catholicism. He is co-author with Jason Jones of “God, Guns, & the Government.”
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  20. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I bought the horse paste online from Tractor Supply. I take my dose in a little cup serving of applesauce. I figured out my dose from my weight. Pm me or Beth.
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