Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by garabandal, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Maybe just someone who is trying to get at the truth and put things into perspective
    None of us really knows the whole picture right now but I do believe we are all praying overtime
    I would bet MMM is praying, as well
    I have experienced a natural reticence to embrace all of the “information overkill”
    coming at one on a daily basis
    And it is curious that Italy has suffered so much and other places, not so much
  2. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I think it’s possible to grieve and pray like a good Catholic but still examine the
    factors and try to put things into perspective. It doesn’t necessarily mean that a person lacks empathy. What is fact? What is fake news? What is coming next? When is this hellish trial going to be over?
    Personally, I’m numb. But I’m praying.
    I'm also concentrating on doing my daily duties under extreme circumstances, and like all of us here, trying to observe measures and stay alive. God bless all. "sufficient unto the day are the evils thereof.":)
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  3. HeavenlyHosts

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    I just edited my response.
  4. Muzhik

    Muzhik Powers

    The Italian newspapers are publishing obituaries every day. It used to be the obits took up half a page; now there are 10 pages of obits every day.
  5. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    I may have misunderstood MMM's post; but what I took from it was ' the numbers of those affected by corona virus are far less than the flu.

    While I have no idea what numbers get the flu, and absolutely no idea how these people work out numbers for how many people could be affected by corona virus or any other virus for that matter. Here is something of interest to me that you can ponder and watch the reports to check for accuracy as the days unfold. o_O

    My grandson has done some sort of calculation as to how many people could (he insists will) get infected by the corona virus. In a nutshell, he has calculated that we in the UK will end up with as many cases as Italy. He keeps telling me nicely not to even go to the Church when it is quiet to light candles. Because in his estimation people like granny who do not stay in their homes are the cause of the virus spreading. So, Julia is grounded. Actually Boris Johnson has said as much today, and is giving police powers to arrest or fine anyone out except for essential reasons. :eek:

    There is no conspiracy theory to this, just plain old fashioned catching a disease from other people, and there is not a satisfactory cure yet which means there would be a high death rate and the systems would be swamped with a backlog of dead bodies. And my grandson does not want to risk losing his granny. :cool:

    I am not arguing with my grandson, but if his figures are wrong, wont let him forget it. LOL :LOL:
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  6. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I just saw that Edward Pentin posted the following. It looks like EWTN will be running a special prayer program on Wednesday, the Feast of the Annunciation, at the times listed in this post.

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    Edited to add some more information about the above along with some other items:

    Sunday, March 22

    Pope Francis has called on all Christian leaders and every Christian community around the world to recite the Our Father at noon on Wednesday, the Feast of the Annunciation, as “humanity trembles at the threat” of the coronavirus pandemic “in these days of trial.”

    Addressing the faithful through the media from the apostolic palace after reciting the Angelus today, the Pope said that as the prayer will take place “on the day when many Christians remember the annunciation to the Virgin Mary of the Incarnation of the Word, may the Lord hear the unanimous prayer of all his disciples preparing to celebrate the victory of the Risen Christ.”

    Pope Francis will also preside over moment of prayer at the sagrato in front of St. Peter’s basilica at 6pm on Friday March 27 where “we will listen to the Word of God, we will raise our supplication, we will adore the Blessed Sacrament.”

    The Pope said that at the end he will give his Urbi et Orbi blessing (to the city and to the world) “to which will be attached the possibility of receiving a plenary indulgence.”

    The Holy Father, who usually only gives the Urbi et Orbi blessing at Christmas and Easter, said the prayer and blessing will be televised as the square will be empty owing to the current lockdown.

    “We want to respond to the pandemic of the virus with the universality of prayer, of compassion, of tenderness,” the Pope said.

    “Let us remain united. Let us make our closeness felt to the loneliest and those most tried,” he added, to “doctors, health workers, nurses, volunteers... Our closeness to the authorities who must take hard measures, but for our own good. Our closeness to the policemen, to the soldiers on the street who always try to keep order, so that the things that the government asks us to do for the good of all of us are done. Closeness to everyone.”

    The Pope closed by inviting the faithful to read Chapter 9 of the Gospel of John (the Gospel reading today was from John 9:1-41) “calmly and slowly.”

    “I will do it as well,” he said. “It will do all of us good.”

    From that same article, the following is dreadful news :cry: (Praying...):

    March 20, 7pm

    A total of 59 women religious in Rome have been tested positive for the coronavirus and have been placed in isolation, the magazine Wanted in Rome reports.

    Quoting reports from Italian news agency ANSA, the magazine said the first convent to be locked down is the Figlie di S. Camillo at Grottaferrata, in the Castelli Romani about 14 miles from Rome.

    The second convent to be sealed off is the Congregation of the Angelic Sisters of St. Paul on Rome's Via Casilina, where 19 of the convent's 21 nuns tested positive.​

    And here is some very good advice from Father Mark Goring.

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  7. HeavenlyHosts

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    Dreadful and sorrowful. Our Lady of Sorrows, pray for us.
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  8. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    So very happy to hear everything worked out. Praise Jesus!
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  9. HeavenlyHosts

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    Jo and Lumena, I thank God for His answers to prayers.
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  10. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    Please God I intend joining Pope Francis in saying the Lords Prayer on Wednesday 25th March for his intention. It is also the day we make the Consecration to Jesus through Mary, after following the 33 days of preparation for Consecration. Praise God.

    I would also like to have been able to spend at least some time at the Church over Friday and Saturday to unite with the 24 hours of prayer also called for by Pope Francis. This will most likely all be by internet the way things are panning out.

    Does it seem odd to anyone else here how we get all these evangelical type calls to prayer for God to 'FIX IT'....Where are the calls to repentance.

    I wonder if anyone ever told Pope Francis , "Mother knows best" and it is never a good idea to go straight to the Father in a crisis, after Mother already recommended a solution. Wise parents stand together when children require discipline, so Heavenly Father will not be responding to our pleas, because it would be disrespectful to Heavenly Mother. IMHO

    Heavenly Mother asked for the Consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart. Heavenly Father is obviously waiting for the Pope to respond on behalf of the Church on earth; So this suffering and turmoil can be brought to an end. Pope Francis, Mother knows best, listen to her. Jesus certainly does.
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  11. garabandal

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    He won't turn to our mother as he is afraid of offending his protestant ecumenical buddies.

    Sorry to be so cynical but it's no coincidence this tribulation has started under this pontificate.

    Pope Francis (as we all do) needs to listen to sister Sasagawa of Akita and put on sackcloth & ashes.
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  12. padraig

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    If it wasn't for Pope Francis, there wouldn't be a virus. It's as plain and simple as that.

    He brought this down on our heads.

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  13. Byron

    Byron Powers

    This may explain where all of this crisis originated from.
  14. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Both your arguments are plausible, but the wheel's still in spin and we lack the conclusive data for a definitive answer.

    However this turns out, we need to learn the lessons or it will become a regular part of our lives. Our freedoms will disappear permanently in the face of permanent 'crisis'. Globalism must go and nations must become self-sufficient again. This is not going to be easy to achieve when one considers that Germany, for example, has banned all fellow-Europeans from entering the country, but still welcomes 'asylum-seekers' (=economic migrants from the Third World) without restriction. Likewise Sweden. A political revolution is required to remove most of the present generation of a leadership that seems mostly dedicated to the eclipse of its own peoples. This event might be the trigger for a new political paradigm. It is encouraging that in most states their administrations have at least shown a keen willingness to protect their populations, so those who wish to actively implement the demise of their own peoples might only be a small minority.
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  15. DeGaulle

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    The two centres of this plague are Italy and China. This is indisputable. Pachamamma and the betrayal of Chinese Catholics. The wages of sin.
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  16. garabandal

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    Your grandson is very smart!!

    You can share this with him --

    The case fataility rate is worked out when you have all the cases with an OUTCOME! Outcome means 'recovered' or 'died'.

    So you take the total number who have died and divide by the total numbers who recovered & multiply by 100.

    So the suggestion that the case fatality rate of the the Corona Virus is equivalent to the seasonal flu rate will be proved to be incorrect when the final numbers are known.

    We wont know the final CFR rate for corona until all this is over but I woudn't be surprised if it is around 2%. The seasonal flu rate in any normal year would be around 0.1% (if that were the case then corona would be 20 times worse than the flu).

    But the CFR does not tell the whole picture as for some regions and the older age groups this virus is certainly very, very dangerous. For some regions and younger people it is not so dangerous.

    But where it hits hard it overwhelms.
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  17. padraig

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    If the virus has the same effect as the Flu all the Governments and their expert advisors (including the White House) have gone totally Criminally Insane for taking the actions they have taken and should be hauled out and shot.
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  18. garabandal

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    Spanish soldiers deployed to help fight the coronavirus outbreak have been finding elderly patients abandoned, and sometimes dead, at care homes.

    The army has been charged with helping to disinfect retirement homes in Spain, one of the countries worst hit by the pandemic.
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  19. garabandal

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    My take on it is that most governments in the west were caught out by this virus they weren't expecting a pandemic and weren't prepared for it. So we got a kind of delayed reaction but they decided to treat it with the seriousness it deserves.

    For those who believe it was all pre-planned by the NWO as a means to get control out of chaos fair play they can live in their own wee fantasy world.
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  20. garabandal

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    A Medical Worker Describes Terrifying Lung Failure From COVID-19 — Even in His Young Patients (LOUISIANA)

    “It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy shit, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube.”

    As of Friday, Louisiana was reporting 479 confirmed cases of COVID-19, one of the highest numbers in the country. Ten people had died. The majority of cases are in New Orleans, which now has one confirmed case for every 1,000 residents. New Orleans had held Mardi Gras celebrations just two weeks before its first patient, with more than a million revelers on its streets.

    I spoke to a respiratory therapist there, whose job is to ensure that patients are breathing well. He works in a medium-sized city hospital’s intensive care unit. (We are withholding his name and employer, as he fears retaliation.) Before the virus came to New Orleans, his days were pretty relaxed, nebulizing patients with asthma, adjusting oxygen tubes that run through the nose or, in the most severe cases, setting up and managing ventilators. His patients were usually older, with chronic health conditions and bad lungs.

    Since last week, he’s been running ventilators for the sickest COVID-19 patients. Many are relatively young, in their 40s and 50s, and have minimal, if any, preexisting conditions in their charts. He is overwhelmed, stunned by the manifestation of the infection, both its speed and intensity. The ICU where he works has essentially become a coronavirus unit. He estimates that his hospital has admitted dozens of confirmed or presumptive coronavirus patients. About a third have ended up on ventilators.

    His hospital had not prepared for this volume before the virus first appeared. One physician had tried to raise alarms, asking about negative pressure rooms and ventilators. Most staff concluded that he was overreacting. “They thought the media was overhyping it,” the respiratory therapist told me. “In retrospect, he was right to be concerned.”

    He spoke to me by phone on Thursday about why, exactly, he has been so alarmed. His account has been condensed and edited for clarity.

    “Reading about it in the news, I knew it was going to be bad, but we deal with the flu every year so I was thinking: Well, it’s probably not that much worse than the flu. But seeing patients with COVID-19 completely changed my perspective, and it’s a lot more frightening.”
    This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people.
    “I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.”
    They suddenly become unresponsive or go into respiratory failure.
    “We have an observation unit in the hospital, and we have been admitting patients that had tested positive or are presumptive positive — these are patients that had been in contact with people who were positive. We go and check vitals on patients every four hours, and some are on a continuous cardiac monitor, so we see that their heart rate has a sudden increase or decrease, or someone goes in and sees that the patient is struggling to breathe or is unresponsive. That seems to be what happens to a lot of these patients: They suddenly become unresponsive or go into respiratory failure.”
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