Corona borealis

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  1. andree

    andree Archangels

    The constellation that crowns the image of Our Lady of Guadelupe is the Corona Borealis. Seems like that could have some significance given current events.

    The 12 apostles who spent 3 years with Jesus didn't understand that being glorified meant that Jesus had to drink the cup and that when He spoke of being raised up, it was on the Cross - a horror in human terms.

    Could it be that the current horror of this virus is related to Our Lady's crown?

    I'd love to read insights about this if anyone has any, or articles about the constellations on Our Lady's image that have been written.


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  2. andree

    andree Archangels

    Having searched for the etymology of borealis, I came across a very interesting exchange between French linguists on the meaning of the word. It seems that the first part BOR could refer to mountain and the second part could refer to running water (it would be close to a similar Greek RHEOS which means to flow) , such that one meaning of borealis is mountain from which water flows.

    Corona also has a few meanings, but one is highest point or apex, so that in this combo, corona borealis would mean highest point on the mountain from which the water flows. This sounds like a beautiful reference to Our Lady who gave us Jesus.

    I love it when linguists discuss these things because we can see that they know way more than we do about the full origin of words. The original classic languages had sounds that were not always available in the European languages and hence substitutes were made over the decades, changing the words over time.

    On the subject of etymology, I posted a similar comment recently about the meaning of Portugal in the 3rd Fatima secret, that perhaps it is not referring to the country. But I deleted the comment because I felt it was not complete, but if we consider how time, politics and other circumstances change language (as is the case in our days) then I wonder if there were linguistic or other cultural contexts in the time that we are not aware of that would affect the meaning of certain words?

    If anyone has more on this, please share.
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  3. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    I have posted a link and pasted an article, which might have some bearing on your findings. Forum Thread title 'Marys Triumph is very close
  4. andree

    andree Archangels

    Thank you for that post Julia, that is good news and a good reminder to me anyway to pray more for priests.

    There is also a link between Fatima and Guadelupe as we know. Perhaps someone can help me find an article about the Guadelupe image. It's one that I read years ago and I think that I got it from this site? It was written by a Moslem convert which explained in detail all the significance of the image of Guadelupe and how it would speak to Moslems. It was excellent but I can't find where I stored it. If anyone knows what I am talking about and has a link, could you please post it here.
  5. not only does the constellation stand out but its known that this was the exact constellation in the night sky on the day that the image was formed leaving that to the side for one minute and the fact that an eye specialist who examined the eyes of the picture actually fainted when he realised the eyes are human eyes ..what many might not know is the constellation actually forms heavenly musical notes... I should warn before playing the video below of the music please reach for a tissue as when I played the tune it felt as if my heart and soul were being beautiful is everything about our Holy Mother....Ave ave ave.....

    The notes of this blessed music were taken from the hem of the Mantle of Our Lady of Guadalupe when they discovered it was music. How Miraculous is she and how blessed with love are we to have her.Published on December 12, 2018

    Several scientific discoveries have been revealed around the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe; This is one of them; music was found in the Mantle of the Virgin forming musical notes with the stars and flowers of her dress. The researcher Fernando Ojeda made a scientific study on the position of stars and flowers in the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe where he checks through the geography, geometry, astronomy and music (associated with mathematics) the veracity of the piece, this allowed music experts to discover the composition of celestial music.


    more here.....
  6. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Archangels

    Interesting that the crown is made up of seven stars.
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  7. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Archangels

    Portugal is named after Portus Cale, a Celtiberian town that is now the modern-day city of Porto. The most widely-held belief is that Cale is the name of a tribe of the Galician people and in fact is closely related etymologically to the name Galicia. Galicia has always been a staunchly conservative region of Iberia.

    A lot linguists believe that Cale derives from a Celtic root-word for "port" so Portus Cale basically means "Port port" or perhaps, "Port of ports," ;) other historians speculate that Cale comes from the Greek Kallis, ("Beautiful port") or the Latin word for "warm." ("Warm port") I'm sure as you've noticed, that all three of these names call to mind Our Lady, She is the Portal of all portals of Grace, and She is a beautiful portal and a portal of Maternal warmth; :love: anyone who has true recourse to Her will surely have the Dogmas of the Catholic Faith preserved in them.
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  8. andree

    andree Archangels

    Thanks RW for that insight about Portugal. My post was along these lines but with a twist: some French scholars believe that the name Portugal may have come from Portus Gallus, the port of the Gauls (see here). After the resurrection of Christ, things changed: Rome represented His Church (replacing the old Jerusalem) and the new Judea was represented by France (the eldest daughter) apparently the only country that had a monarchy through a divine order. This goes back to Clovis who became Catholic but also to the king who ruled at the time of Joan of Arc. Some scholars say that when Joan of Arc defeated the English armies, she asked the king to hand her his kingdom, which she then handed to Christ and Christ gave it back to the king, but under the same rules as the Kings of Israel: follow my law or your nation will perish.

    Some priests say that in a prophecy, France can mean the nation or its people, which in a divine sense means the baptised (children of God) and so Israel in the old testament is replaced in the New Covenant by France, the new Israel. In this sense, Portugal could mean that the children of God, designated by France, would keep the dogma of the faith everywhere - undoubtedly the remnant schooled by Our Lady in these end times.

    QuD: that is amazing about the music in the tilma. I'm sure there are more signs hidden in the tilma that we aren't seeing yet.

    I haven't found any more information about the corona borealis, but find it quite remarkable that it is the crown in that image related that has ties with Fatima.
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  9. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    I could have missed it when reading through the posts; but it is worthy to note that the star formation found on the Tilma occurred again on 23rd September 2017. This was also the day we celebrate Saint Padre Pio annually. It seems like things have unfolded rapidly since then.

    There was a lot of speculation in the months leading up to 23rd September 2017, even protestants were predicting what might happen. There was something about Leo moving through the star formation as in, the King being born by the Feast of Christ the King that year in the constellation.

    Then more speculation about the evil one putting in an appearance in the constellation. It might be to do with the dragon waiting to devour the child when he is born in the constellation; but God gave the woman wings, and she was taken to the desert for a time for safety. It feels like we the mystical body of Christ are in the desert right now (for safety) with the lock down, but that is just a Julia type of speculation. It feels like something is unfolding as we speak.

    There was an article somewhere about the Crown of stars on the constellation. I thought there were four stars then others. And it seems the four stars represented the four evangelists. Hopefully it might be out there on the internet still. I believe twelve stars around the head of virgin Mary, represent the twelve Apostles, and the twelve tribes of Israel. Or so I have read.
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  10. Chiara

    Chiara Archangels

    I recall reading about that event leading up to it, there were a lot of stories written on it. I found one from Father Heilman, which was actually a copy from a link to the Remnant. It’s interesting if nothing else.

    Apocalypse Now? Another Great Sign Rises in the Heavens
    Patrick Archbold
    [Editorial Note: In the following article, I intend to present a series of facts and observations from which I draw no definitive conclusion. Yet, these facts and observations are of such a nature, for no other reason than their observation and reporting, that lend themselves to misinterpretation. So let me be clear, in the following article, I predict nothing. I am offering my observations on some upcoming phenomena, both heavenly and man-made, potentially of great import, that people might find interesting and of which people should be aware.]
    * * *
    The Great Sign in Heaven

    What if God gave us a sign, would we even notice it? What if God, like He has done before, gave us a heavenly sign, a portent of great and terrible events? Would we even take notice? Are we, like so many that have come before us, so busy in our day-to-day lives that we never bother to even look up anymore? What if God gave us a heavenly sign today, would we notice? And if we did notice, would we care or just ignore it as some superstitious nonsense?

    What if I told you that there is a forthcoming astronomical event that closely mirrors a sign from the Book of Revelation, stunning in its precision, context, and timing? Would you look up?

    Revelation 12:1-5

    “And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars:

    And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.

    And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems:

    And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son.

    And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne. “

    The Star of Bethlehem

    Before I begin, I think it is important to establish some sense of context. We take it as an established and undeniable part of our faith that, 2,000 years ago, God used an astronomical event to communicate with man, the Star of Bethlehem. Many people, when picturing the Star of Bethlehem, if they picture it at all, think of this massive bright star over Bethlehem that was so obvious to everyone that it sent the Magi on a long trek to find the promised king.

    We know that version of events is in error, for when the Magi arrived in Jerusalem, just 8 kilometers from Bethlehem, they had to explain what it was they saw and why they interpreted it the way they did. King Herod, his court, and the rest of Jerusalem were largely ignorant of the events of the Star of Bethlehem. The people of Jerusalem, like us today, were busy providing for their families and going about their daily duties. Even though this great sign announcing the birth of the Savior, the very Son of God, was going on above their heads, they neither noticed it, nor cared about it.

    In order to understand the proper context of the potential Revelation 12 sign, it is helpful to further examine the Star of Bethlehem. What was the Star of Bethlehem and how did the Magi see it when everybody else missed it? Short answer, they were paying attention.

    I think that there is a compelling case that the Star of Bethlehem was a series of regular astronomical events involving rare conjunctions that symbolically indicated the birth of a king. It is important to note that this is emphatically not astrology. The Encyclopedia Britannica defines astrology as:

    “…type of divination that involves the forecasting of earthly and human events through the observation and interpretation of the fixed stars, the Sun, the Moon, and the planets. Devotees believe that an understanding of the influence of the planets and stars on earthly affairs allows them to both predict and affect the destinies of individuals, groups, and nations.”

    The Catholic Church explicitly condemns astrology, as it does all forms of divination (CCC 2116). But signs like the Star of Bethlehem are not divination of fates ordered by the stars, but regular astronomy and symbology with the idea that the God of the universe sometimes uses His creation to communicate with man. The bible is replete with instances that make this case. Psalm 19 states:

    1 …The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. 3 There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. 4 Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world…

    — PSALM 19:1-4

    Paul directly quotes this Psalm in Romans when making the case that the Jews had knowledge that the Messiah had come.

    17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. 18 But I ask: Did they [the Jews] not hear? Of course they did: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.”

    — ROMANS 10:17-18

    Paul is clearly making the case that the Jews had knowledge of the Messiah because the heavens told them so. Obviously Paul is not endorsing astrology, but indicating that God can and does sometimes use the heavens to announce His plans. There is much more that can be said on the differences between astrology and understanding heavenly signs, but suffice it for now to say that looking to the heavens for confirmation and announcement of God’s plans is legitimate within the proper context and application.

    So what was the Star of Bethlehem? As mentioned, I think there is a compelling case that the Star of Bethlehem was a series of astronomical events with significant symbolism. More detail can be seen at, but I will attempt a brief summary.

    In 3/2 B.C., there occurred a rare triple conjunction of Jupiter (the king planet, through its retrograde motion) and Regulus (the king star). The Magi likely interpreted this rare triple conjunction as a giant neon sign in the heavens blinking KING-KING-KING. This all began at the Jewish New year and all within the constellation of Leo (the lion, a symbol of the tribe of Judah). So it heavily symbolized Jewish King from the tribe of Judah, a clear indication for those familiar with the Messiah. Further, rising right behind Leo was the constellation Virgo, with the sun and the moon at her feet.

    After this incredible triple conjunction, Jupiter began moving westward in the sky, eventually coming into conjunction with Venus, a planet long symbolically associated with motherhood. The conjunction of the king planet and the motherhood planet was so close, that no man alive had ever seen anything like it and together it formed the brightest object in the sky.

    All this symbolism of a Jewish king from Judah and a Virgin was enough to get the well-versed Magi moving to Jerusalem, but you can understand why the average citizen of Jerusalem missed it.

    Jupiter continued its western movement in the sky until it finally stopped. When it stopped (as seen from Jerusalem), it stopped directly south, directly over the small village of Bethlehem, on December 25 of 2 B.C.

    This may be easily seen with modern star programs that can show you the night sky on any date in history from any perspective. It is the advent of such computer programs that now allows us to not only look at the past, but to look at the skies of the future.

    Given the context of all I just described, it is when we turn our gaze to the heavens of the future that once again we are treated to heavenly signs of great symbolism.

    Let us revisit the opening verses of Revelation 12.
    "And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.”

    The author of Revelation clearly indicates that this vision is one of a sign in heaven or in the sky. What do we see in the sky of the near future?

    On November 20, 2016, an astronomical event begins that will last nine and a half months, culminating in startling concurrence with the vision of Revelation 12. While I am not an astronomer, all my research indicates that this astronomical event, in all its particulars, is unique in the history of man.

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  11. Chiara

    Chiara Archangels

    On November 20, 2016, Jupiter (the King planet) enters into the body (womb) of the constellation Virgo (the virgin). Jupiter, due its retrograde motion, will spend the next 9 ½ months within the womb of Virgo. This length of time corresponds with gestation period of a normal late-term baby.

    After 9 ½ months, Jupiter exits out of the womb of Virgo. Upon Jupiter’s exit (birth), on September 23, 2017, we see the constellation Virgo with the sun rise directly behind it (the woman clothed with the sun). At the feet of Virgo, we find the moon. And upon her head we find a crown of twelve stars, formed by the usual nine stars of the constellation Leo with the addition of the planets Mercury, Venus, and Mars.

    That is a truly remarkable and, as far as I can determine, unique series of event with a startling degree of concurrence with the vision of Revelation 12.

    So what does it mean, if anything? The obvious and truthful answer is that we simply do not know. That said, we are not entirely without possible context.

    It just so happens that these events transpire during the 100th anniversary of the apparitions of “the woman clothed in the sun,” Our Lady at Fatima in 1917. The culmination of these astronomical events occurs just 3 weeks before the 100th anniversary of the great miracle of Fatima, in which the sun “danced” (another heavenly sign), an event that was witnessed by many thousands.

    In the almost century that has followed that great event, we have seen Our Lady’s warnings come true with startling precision. People did not cease offending God and we have seen terrible wars, nations annihilated, and Russia spread her errors throughout the world and, if we are honest, even into the Church itself. And yet, we still await the fulfillment of her promises, the triumph of Her Immaculate Heart, and a period of peace to be granted to the world.

    But what you may not know is that within the Fatima story itself, there are indications that a 100-year period might be significant. In August 1931, Sister Lucy was staying with a friend at Rianjo, Spain. There, Our Lord appeared to Sr. Lucy and He complained the requests of His mother had not been heeded saying, “Make it known to My ministers, given that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, they will follow him into misfortune. It is never too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary.”

    And again in another text, Sr. Lucy quoted Our Lord as saying, “They did not wish to heed My request! ... Like the King of France, they will repent of it, and they will do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors in the world, provoking wars and persecutions against the Church. The Holy Father will have much to suffer.”

    Those references to the King of France are very interesting for our discussion as this is an explicit reference to the requests of the Sacred Heart given through Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque on June 17, 1689 to the King of France. King Louis XIV and his successors failed to heed Our Lord’s request to publicly consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. As a result, on June 17, 1789, one hundred years to the day after the request, the National Assembly of the French Revolution rose up and declared itself the government of France and stripped the king of his power. Later, the king lost his head to the revolution.

    Now it is not possible to know the relevance of this 100-year allusion or to know if and when the clock may have started ticking, but it is certainly interesting and relevant in this context.

    And of course, many are familiar with the vision of Pope Leo XIII in which he allegedly heard Satan granted one hundred years to try and destroy the Church. Immediately after this vision, Pope Leo XIII composed the prayer to St. Michael pleading with the Archangel to defend us in battle and be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. Pope Leo XIII then added the Leonine prayers to the end of the mass, later suppressed during Vatican II.

    As we live through these tumultuous times in the Church, in which the very foundations of faith, even the very words and commands of Our Savior are diminished and ignored, it is impossible not to recall Pope Leo’s vision.

    Speaking of our current crisis, in this era of false mercy, I must also note that the date the astronomical event begins, November 20, 2016, is the very day that Pope Francis’ declared “Year of Mercy” comes to an end. The very same day is the Feast of Christ the King.

    In conclusion, I must stress that I make no specific claim of the significance, if any, of the astronomical event I described. Further, I make no claim to know the future or of any forthcoming events relating to the fulfillment of the promises of Fatima. I only relate this to you now as I find myself in a similar situation as those Magi 2,000 years ago. I look to the sky and say, “Alright Lord, you have my attention.”
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  12. AED

    AED Powers

    I felt that constellation was of absolutely major importance coming at the 100 year mark of the Fatima visitation. And yet the majority of people Catholic and otherwise paid it no heed. Only those who were watching expectantly and like the Magi sought the truth. No one cared about a poor child born in a cave in Bethlehem. Only a few paid attention. And yet it was of eternal significance. Like you I say "Lord you have my attention."
    Can anyone doubt that October 2017 ushered in a time of huge upheaval in the Church and in the world-- at a galloping pace. Hard to hold on and keep track. But we are in very very serious and significant times.
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  13. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Archangels

    I thought about the possibility of the pandemic ending on December 12th, the day we celebrate the Patroness of the Americas.
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  14. Byron

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  15. andree

    andree Archangels

    I am useless in astronomy, but I had an inspiration that the seven stars crowning Our Lady on the tilma could represent the warning, event during which the Holy Spirit will give His seven gifts. Like the first Pentacost with the apostle, the presence of Our Lady is central and She must be with us, in our hearts through consecration. So that the Holy Spirit will come to live in us when He finds Our Lady present in our hearts.

    I agree with you and tend to think that like Christ's birth, most in the Church will be oblivious to what is going to happen spiritually. And it will be people outside of the Church who are actually come to understand events, like the Magi, not Christians but people truly seeking God and having a sincere prayer in their hearts. So many people today feel that we are at a crossroads, so many people feel that something big spiritually is coming and I hear it a lot from people outside of the church.
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  16. Byron

    Byron Powers

    I think it was Fr Gobbi that said a great majority of the Muslims will convert after the Warning, but not the majority of the Jews. I do believe Christians also will be flocking back to their religion. This will be another Pentecost moment. And because of this it may bring all Christian Churches to finally unite. Anyway that’s my hope.
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  17. DesertStar7

    DesertStar7 Archangels

    I know quite a lot about astronomy, but not as the Corona Borealis relates to prophecy, Our Lady, Fatima, etc.
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  18. Jackie

    Jackie Archangels

    andree and Byron and all,
    In other private revelation, from God Speaks Will You Listen, false religions will realize LOVE who is Christ. Check the few sentences just before on how others will decide. Pray ahead for conversions.

    “My son, the largest number of converts will come from the pagan religions. Many Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and tribal peoples will accept my mercy and truth because of the warning.”

    See page 97...
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  19. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Archangels

    I've been meaning to mention this, it's a bit off-topic but, the Portuguese people, in addition to being related to the Galician people, are also related to descended from the Lusitanians, an ancient Iberian people that occupied modern-day Portugal and western Spain. Why I am bringing this up? Well this morning I just remembered who the favourite false-god of the Lusitanians was, Endovelicus. Apparently among the Portuguese, End*v*licus has become another name for Satan, I'm not sure if that's demonologically correct or not; but do you know what End*v*licus was the patron-idol of? public health!
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  20. AED

    AED Powers

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