Clear off! Get out!!

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  1. padraig

    padraig New Member

    https://spiritdailyblog.com/church/mailbag-controversial-locutionist-blasts-papal-critics

    2019-11-13, from Vassula Ryden.

    [Born in Egypt to Coptic Orthodox parents, Ryden has a large following around the world [note: seer was subject of Vatican Notification by Cardinal Josef Ratzinger that was later somewhat modified. We urge in such cases very cautious discernment. See bottom for Vatican statements. We take no stand on her alleged revelations; as always, we convey, when it is available, the guidance of Rome. Her organization is called True Life in God]

    Dear True Life In God followers,

    I am shocked at the fact that I’m learning that some of you are following the persecutors of Pope Francis and that you are adding calumnies on him. You have been blinded and have become one of those judges who strike the shepherd. Shame on you! All of those in our TLIG groups who are against Pope Francis who was chosen by Christ, I wish them to step down immediately and get out of TLIG! Out of our prayer groups, out of all our retreats and pilgrimages because you are like gangrene in the Body of Christ! I am listening ONLY on what Christ is saying about the Pope and I’m not listening to those who claim they know best no matter what position they are in.

    [​IMG]Either these persecutors have not read the prophecies contained in the TLIG messages regarding the Seat of Peter (the Pope) or conveniently they overlook through all of these past years Jesus’ warnings that in these last days a rebellious spirit will strike the successor of Peter. It is not just that recent message of 16 August 2019 which raised eyebrows, in which Jesus’ tone is strong, telling that those who persecute the Pope are no disciples of His, which to some, for their own convenience rejected that message and do not believe Jesus said it. To them, TLIG messages have become like a supermarket, ‘pick and choose’, this I like and this I don’t like…

    That’s how much Satan blinded them! But Jesus throughout all of these years always spoke about the Seat of Peter, and it is not just recently. I therefore decided to pick up a few extracts to remind everyone what Jesus had been saying, and how strongly He had been warning us! I want you to take particular notice of the dates too. So wake up!

    On March 17, 1993 the Lord said to me:

    Peace be with you; lift your voice without fear and prophesy; prophesy, My child, to blot out wickedness from so many hearts! let those who have ears let them listen to what the Spirit today is saying to the churches; let all who are thirsty come: write and tell My sacerdotal souls this: “rebellion is at its work already, but in secret, and the one who is holding it back has first to be removed, before the Rebel appears openly;” 2 I tell you, love My Church as I love Her and as I sacrificed Myself for My Church to make Her entirely holy, you too, My priests, sacrifice yourselves to Her, imitate Me;

    I am telling you all this and I know that My sheep who belong to Me will listen to My Voice and will never fail Me; I am addressing you today to tell you from the core of My Heart the same embittered words I uttered at My Last Supper around My disciples: “someone who shares My table rebels against Me; I tell you this now, before it happens, so that when it does happen you may believe that I am He speaking, today;”

    I, Jesus Christ, wish to warn My priests, bishops and cardinals, I wish to warn all My House of a great tribulation; My Church is approaching a great tribulation; remember, I have chosen you, by My sanctifying Spirit, to glorify Me; I have chosen you from the beginning to be the sturdy pillars of My Church and to live by faith in the Truth; I have chosen you to share My Glory and to shepherd My lambs;
     
  2. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Well if it comes to a choice of following men like Cardinals Muller and Burke and an extremely problematical, 'seer' like Vassulla Ryden I know where my money goes.

    I was always extremely doubtful about her globe trotting, always in the media spotlight goings on.
     
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  3. Lumena

    Lumena Archangels

    Hmmm... strange .... what trying, vexing times we find ourselves in...
     
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  4. josephite

    josephite Powers

    Vatican statements:

    Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

    NOTIFICATION*

    Many Bishops, priests, religious and lay people have sought an authoritative judgement from this Congregation on the activity of Mrs Vassula Ryden, a Greek Orthodox residing in Switzerland, who in speech and in writing is spreading in Catholic circles throughout the world messages attributed to alleged heavenly revelations.

    A calm, attentive examination of the entire question, undertaken by this Congregation in order to “test the spirits to see whether they are of God” (cf. 1 Jn 4:1), has brought out – in addition to positive aspects – a number of basic elements that must be considered negative in the light of Catholic doctrine.

    In addition to pointing out the suspect nature of the ways in which these alleged revelations have occurred, it is necessary to underscore several doctrinal errors they contain.

    Among other things, ambiguous language is used in speaking of the Persons of the Holy Trinity, to the point of confusing the specific names and functions of the Divine Persons. These alleged revelations predict an imminent period when the Antichrist will prevail in the Church. In millenarian style, it is prophesied that God is going to make a final, glorious intervention which will initiate on earth, even before Christ’s definitive coming, ah era of peace and universal prosperity. Furthermore, the proximate arrival is foretold of a Church which would be a kind of pan-Christian community, contrary to Catholic doctrine.

    The fact that the aforementioned errors no longer appear in Ryden’s later writings is a sign that the alleged “heavenly messages” are merely the result of private meditations.

    Moreover, by habitually sharing in the sacraments of the Catholic Church, even though she is Greek Orthodox, Mrs Ryden is causing considerable surprise in various circles of the Catholic Church. She appears to be putting herself above all ecclesiastical jurisdiction and every canonical norm, and in effect, is creating an ecumenical disorder that irritates many authorities, ministers and faithful of her own Church, as she puts herself outside the ecclesiastical discipline of the latter.

    Given the negative effect of Vassula Ryden’s activities, despite some positive aspects, this Congregation requests the intervention of the Bishops so that their faithful may be suitably informed and that no opportunity may be provided in their Dioceses for the dissemination of her ideas. Lastly, the Congregation invites all the faithful not to regard Mrs Vassula Ryden’s writings and speeches as supernatural and to preserve the purity of the faith that the Lord has entrusted to the Church.

    Vatican City, 6 October 1995.

    Joseph Card. Ratzinger
    Prefect

    Tarcisio Bertone, S.D.B.
    Archbishop Emeritus of Vercelli
    Secretary


    * L’Osservatore Romano, English Edition, N. 43, 25 October 1995, Page 12.



    10 July 2004

    Prot N. 54/92-19631

    Eminence/Excellence,

    As you know, this Congregation published a Notification in 1995 on the writings of Mrs. Vassula Rydén. Afterwards, and at her request, a thorough dialogue followed. At the conclusion of this dialogue, a letter of Mrs. Rydén dated 4 April 2002 was subsequently published in the latest volume of “True Life in God”, in which Mrs. Rydén supplies useful clarifications regarding her marital situation, as well as some difficulties which in the aforesaid Notification were suggested towards her writings and her participation in the sacraments (cf. Attachment).

    Since the aforementioned writings have enjoyed a certain diffusion in your country, this Congregation has deemed it useful to inform you of the above. Concerning the participation in the ecumenical prayer groups organised by Mrs. Rydén, the Catholic faithful should be called to follow the dispositions of the Diocesan Bishops.

    In communicating to you the above, I use the occasion to assure you of my lasting and profound esteem.



    Yours Eminences/Excellencys

    Most Devout

    (Signed)

    Joseph Card. Ratzinger
    Prefect

    (With attachment)

    To the Presidents of the Episcopal Conferences of
    France, Switzerland, Uruguay, Philippines, Canada

    From Wikipedia:

    Vassula Rydén (born January 18, 1942) is an author, public speaker, and self-proclaimed Christian mystic[1] living in Switzerland who says she receives messages from Jesus Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary. Her writings frequently call for people “to repent, love God, and unify the churches.”[2] She has developed a large following, particularly among Roman Catholics, who come to her lectures and buy her writings and tapes. She writes the messages in English, and has changed some writings between editions.[3]

    In 1995, the Catholic Church’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), led by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, published a Notification (a message from the Holy See) on the writings of Rydén, saying her communications should not be considered supernatural, and calling all Catholic bishops to prevent Rydén’s ideas from being spread in their dioceses.[4] In 2007, Cardinal William Levada confirmed that the 1995 Notification was still in effect; he recommended that Catholics should not join prayer groups organized by Rydén. In 2011, the Greek Orthodox Church officially disapproved of Rydén’s teachings, instructing their faithful to disassociate from Rydén. In 2012, the Church of Cyprus said that Rydén’s teachings were heretical.
     
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  5. padraig

    padraig New Member

    It's all very sad really. Prayers.
     
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  6. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    In short, her writings are condemned.
    Thank you Josephite
     
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  7. Heidi

    Heidi Archangels

    If Jesus is really telling her that Francis is His Pope, why would she remain Greek Orthodox?
     
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  8. padraig

    padraig New Member

    In fact Vassula's writings are also Disapproved by the Orthodox ; with the Orthodox Church of Cyprus also declaring them heretical.

    Nor was Cardinal Ratzinger the only one to speak against them.

    In 2007, Cardinal William Levada, as then Prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith confirmed that the 1995 Notification was still in effect; he recommended that Catholics should not join prayer groups organized by Rydén

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassula_Rydén

    Vassula at the time 'corrected', Cardinal Levada, but perhaps realising, 'correcting ', the Prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith might be a step too far, even for her, took her critical letter down off her web site.

    But here is the original where she sets poor Cardinal Levada straight.:):D;)

    http://www.pseudomystica.info/tliglevada.htm#original

    It is long and meandering, but it speaks for itself.
     
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  9. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    True Life in God
    'Spirit Daily' article


    This morning, the website 'Spirit Daily' published the letter which Vassula sent out on Wednesday about those who were persecuting Pope Francis. The 'Spirit Daily' page can be seen at: https://spiritdailyblog.com/church/mailbag-controversial-locutionist-blasts-papal-critics

    Mailbag: Controversial Locutionist Blasts Papal Critics
    To the Presidents of the Episcopal Conferences of France, Switzerland, Uruguay, Philippines, Canada. From Wikipedia: Vassula Rydén (born January 18, 1942) is an author, public speaker, and self-proclaimed Christian mystic living in Switzerland who says she receives messages from Jesus Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary.Her writings frequently call for people “to repent, love God, and unify ...
    spiritdailyblog.com

    Fr Iannuzzi has responded to this article with the following message. The message has been sent to Michael Brown, the owner of the Spirit Daily website:

    I wish to inform all readers of the recent FALSE information posted on Spirit Daily which falsely claims that the True Life in God Writings are not Church approved.

    The Truth is the TRUE LIFE IN GOD WRITINGS ARE CHURCH APPROVED! They enjoy present-day Magisterial Seals of Approval: the IMPRIMATUR and NIHIL OBSTAT!

    Noteworthy is the theologian Jordan Aumann and Cardinal R. Burke’s affirmation that is “reprehensible” for one to publicly oppose a work that bears the Church’s official seals of the approval of the Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat.[1]



    1. Jordan Aumann, Spiritual Theology, Christian Classics, 1980, p. 492; Mariology, A Guide for Priests, Deacons, Seminarians and Consecrated Persons, bearing the Imprimatur of the Most Rev. Raymond L. Burke, and the Nihil Obstat of Fr. Peter Felner, F.I., 2007, Queenship Pub. CA, p. 830.
     
  10. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    PLEASE BE COMPLETE..... WHEN QUOTING THE MESSAGE FROM VASSULA.... Here is the entire message:

    The Chair of Peter

    Vassula sends an important letter about the Pope

    Dear TLIG followers,

    I am shocked at the fact that I’m learning that some of you are following the persecutors of Pope Francis and that you are adding calumnies on him. You have been blinded and have become one of those judges who strike the shepherd. Shame on you! All of those in our TLIG groups who are against Pope Francis who was chosen by Christ, I wish them to step down immediately and get out of TLIG! Out of our prayer groups, out of all our retreats and Pilgrimages because you are like gangrene in the Body of Christ! I am listening ONLY on what Christ is saying about the Pope and I’m not listening to those who claim they know best no matter what position they are in.

    Either these persecutors have not read the prophecies contained in the TLIG messages regarding the Seat of Peter, (the Pope) or conveniently they overlook through all of these past years Jesus’ warnings that in these last days a rebellious spirit will strike the successor of Peter. It is not just that recent message of 16 August 2019 which raised eyebrows, in which Jesus’ tone is strong, telling that those who persecute the Pope are no disciples of His, which to some, for their own convenience rejected that message and do not believe Jesus said it. To them, TLIG messages have become like a supermarket, ‘pick and choose’, this I like and this I don’t like…

    That’s how much Satan blinded them! But Jesus throughout all of these years always spoke about the Seat of Peter, and it is not just recently. I therefore decided to pick up a few extracts to remind everyone what Jesus had been saying, and how strongly He had been warning us! I want you to take particular notice of the dates too. So wake up!

    On March 17, 1993 the Lord said to me:

    peace be with you; lift your voice without fear and prophesy; prophesy, My child, to blot out wickedness from so many hearts! let those who have ears let them listen to what the Spirit today is saying to the churches; let all who are thirsty come: write and tell My sacerdotal souls this: "rebellion is at its work already, but in secret, and the one who is holding it back has first to be removed, before the Rebel appears openly;" I tell you, love My Church as I love Her and as I sacrificed Myself for My Church to make Her entirely holy, you too, My priests, sacrifice yourselves to Her, imitate Me;

    I am telling you all this and I know that My sheep who belong to Me will listen to My Voice and will never fail Me; I am addressing you today to tell you from the core of My Heart the same embittered words I uttered at My Last Supper around My disciples: "someone who shares My table rebels against Me; I tell you this now, before it happens, so that when it does happen you may believe that I am He speaking, today;"

    I, Jesus Christ, wish to warn My priests, bishops and cardinals, I wish to warn all My House of a great tribulation; My Church is approaching a great tribulation; remember, I have chosen you, by My sanctifying Spirit, to glorify Me; I have chosen you from the beginning to be the sturdy pillars of My Church and to live by faith in the Truth; I have chosen you to share My Glory and to shepherd My lambs;

    I tell you solemnly that you will soon be tested by fire; pray and fast so as not to be put to the test; stand firm and keep the traditions you were taught; obey My Pope no matter what comes up; remain faithful to him and I will give you the graces and the strength you will need; I urge you to keep faithful to him and keep away from anyone who rebels against him; above all, never listen to anyone who dispels him; never let your love for him grow insincere;

    soon you will be faced with an ordeal as you have never experienced before; My enemies will try to buy you for themselves with insidious speeches, the evil one is at his work already and Destruction is not far away from you; the Pope will have much to suffer; this is why you will all be persecuted for proclaiming the Truth and for being obedient to My Pope;

    I tell you solemnly, every fiber of My Heart is lacerated; if anyone comes your way bringing a different doctrine than the one I Myself instituted, do not listen to him (Gal 1:8); these people come from the Deceiver; I have laid down My foundation on Peter, the rock.... and the gates of the underworld can never hold out against it...(Mt 16:18) if anyone comes your way and tells you: "move from your fidelity you have for this Pope to another's sound movement"; do not move! beware! the yeast of the Deceiver may be powerful and might taste good, but in reality it is of deadly deception! (Mt 24:24) do not allow anyone to deceive you; resist the devil's tactics, for today, My priests, you will have to conquer evil with the strength you receive from Me who am the Truth; you will be in a spiritual war as never before with an army which originates from the powers of Darkness;

    …love one another and stand firm without fear when the great Tribulation, that now hovers like a black cloud over My House, will cover it like a black veil; I have told you all this now before it happens, so that when it happens you may believe;

    Do you recognize anything in this message? Are we not living it now? Today they are being in full actualization. I printed in red font a passage that we have to take special attention, where it says: "rebellion is at its work already, but in secret, and the one who is holding it back has first to be removed, before the Rebel appears openly;"

    When Christ said: ‘the one who is holding it back’ this is the Pope. So, if the persecutors of the Pope will manage to remove him, then the Rebel, who is Satan himself will appear openly.

    Again in the message of 17th March 1993 when Jesus said: "I have laid down My foundation on Peter, the rock…" obviously when Jesus talks about ‘Peter’, He talks about the successors as well of Peter, all the Popes, without excluding any of them. Christ knew that today Pope Francis would be misunderstood and undermined by persecutors who would not hesitate to judge him and would want to oust him out of the papacy. Evil tongues gossip that he is not even elected in a legal manner and that he is illegally in Peter’s Chair! Jesus, having foreseen this sort of persecution, gave us several warnings many years back not to go against any Pope, because he knew that Cardinals will go against Cardinals and Bishops against Bishops and priests against priests, disagreeing with one another and creating a kind of schism within His Body, the Church, making it bleed as He says in the messages.

    What does Jesus tell me? He told me many times, that these are the thorns of His Body, and that He will point them out to me so that I pull them out. He gave me a command: pull out the thorns of My Body. Therefore, when Jesus points out to me who are the persecutors to the Pope in our TLIG groups, I answer to Jesus’ command and ask them to leave TLIG and pray for them that they open their eyes to the Will of God. There is no way of convincing them, since they became judges and are experts of turning around everything the Pope says or does to the negative. It is a Pharisaic kind of spirit they got without them even knowing what a trap Satan put for them!

    If we wish, we too can persecute Jesus for some contradictions of His words and blame Him. Here are some: When He says one time that we should make peace with one another and with God, then He says in another passage, that He has not come on earth to bring peace but a fire. There are many other passages that if we do not have the Holy Spirit to understand them in the proper way we can misinterpret them.

    Luke 14:26 "If any one comes to me without hating his father and mother... cannot be my disciple." contradicts Luke 18:20 "You know the commandments, 'You shall not commit adultery; you shall not kill; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; honor your father and your mother.' "

    Luke 6:37 "Stop judging and you will not be judged" contradicts John 7:24 "judge justly".

    Luke 22:42 "Father, if you are willing, take this cup away from me" contradicts John 12:27 "I am troubled now. Yet what should I say? 'Father, save me from this hour'? But it was for this purpose that I came to this hour."

    John 8:15 "I do not judge anyone" contradicts John 5:27 "And he gave him power to exercise judgment, because he is the Son of Man."

    However, these passages have to be interpreted with the right mind and the help of the Holy Spirit, and so it is with what the Pope is saying but the Pharisaic spirit of those who call him heretic and judge him are condemned by Jesus.

    Here are some more passages on what I’m trying to remind you of:
     
  11. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    June 11, 1987

    I will lead you with Heavenly Force, right into the very depths of My Bleeding Body; I will point out to you with My finger all the sacerdotal sinners who are the thorns of My Body; I will not spare them; I am worn out, My Wounds are wider than ever, My Blood is gushing out; I am being recrucified by My own, My own Sacerdotal souls!

    November 10, 1987

    "I am before you always guiding you; uniting My Church will Glorify Me! I will lead you into the very depths of My Bleeding Body; I will point out to you My thorns, you will recognise them;"

    September 29, 1987

    take My Hand daughter, keep close to Me and I will point out to you those thorns; I will lead you with divine force into the very depths of My Body, I will let you recognise the lance's blade; I will not spare the Cains, Vassula, for what have they to offer Me? their hands are empty and have nothing to offer My lambs; they love to show themselves in public, they love to be greeted obsequiously, they are like salt having lost its taste; I tell you truly daughter, they are today's Pharisees!

    (The lance’s blade is our division.)

    January 10, 1990

    I have given Peter the charge of My Church and I have asked him to feed you, to look after you and to love you; I tell you solemnly, before this generation has passed away, all that I have been telling you will have taken place, so do not be deceived but resist your opponents, resist those who oppose Peter;

    September 20, 1990

    Lord?

    I Am;

    come and console Me, come and comfort Me, rest Me; I have created you so that I may be the One and only in your heart; I have created you to remove My thorns that penetrated My Body;

    October 3, 1994

    My Church will have to undergo all the sufferings and the betrayals I Myself had undergone, but Scriptures once more have to be accomplished when they say: "I shall strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered;" however, obey this shepherd no matter what happens, remain faithful to him and to no one else; your shepherd will be struck ....

    and the wails of My people will pierce the heavens; when nothing but rubble will become of My city, the earth will be riven and rent and will sway;

    January 28, 1997

    stretch out your hands towards the Sanctuary ....

    I have given you a pair of hands which I kissed and anointed with a blessing so that they pluck out the thorns encircling My Heart; I have blessed them so that they do not weary of writing and remain bound to Mine for all eternity; I have anointed them so that in the end of the ceremony, those hands will set a crown of glory on My Head;

    April 4, 1997

    to conceal their plans these people, who raise Me daily, scheme in the dark to overthrow Peter's Chair and silence the Vicar of My Church and all those to whom I revealed their plans and expose their apostasy; they scheme in the dark to silence Me, saying: "who can see us? who can recognise us?"

    I will fulfil My Promise and your distress and anguish will come to an end; so tell My sons and daughters that My Voice will soon thunder from above and the foundations of the mountains will tremble; now these traders in My Church are closing in on him whom I placed on Peter's Chair and have eyes for nothing but to see him overthrown; they look like a lion eager to tear to pieces, like a young lion crouching in its hide;

    And last, the recent message of August 16, 2019, in which Jesus again speaks about the Pope. I give you again these famous words of Jesus, "beware of those who condemn the Pope," He says, …"anyone who condemns the Vicar of My Church cannot be My disciple…"

    I have nothing to add on this, Jesus Christ, says it all.

    In Christ,

    Vassula
     
  12. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    ANOTHER MESSAGE FROM VASSULA:

    A further letter from Vassula

    Following Wednesday's letter regarding the Chair of Peter, Vassula sends here a follow up letter.

    Dear TLIG friends,

    I wish to draw your attention again that I had copied this prophetic message of March 17, 1993 in the HIR paper cover book, in all languages .... EXCEPT IN ENGLISH !!! In French it is in Ch. 14 page 200, it was written as early as Feb 2014, nearly six years ago.

    This is what I wrote then in the HIR book:

    "The message here below had been given to me back in March 17, 1993. Exactly by the date, twenty years ago, before a new Pontiff was elected: Pope Francis.

    The message is a warning not to get deluded and listen to false prophecy that criticize him left and right and openly, without fear, that he is a 'false Pope,' or worse still, the Antichrist. Because of his openness to the Spirit, many disagree around him and they fret. His homilies are daring, dusting away old prejudices and rigidities in bending for unity.

    Since it is a long message, I selected just a few lines.

    "I, Jesus Christ, wish to warn My priests, Bishops and Cardinals, I wish to warn all My House of a great tribulation; My Church is approaching a great tribulation; remember, I have chosen you, by My sanctifying Spirit, to glorify Me; I have chosen you from the beginning to be the sturdy pillars of My Church and to live by faith in the Truth; I have chosen you to share My Glory and to shepherd My lambs;

    I tell you solemnly that you will soon be tested by fire; pray and fast so as not to be put to the test; stand firm and keep the traditions you were taught; obey My Pope no matter what comes up; remain faithful to him and I will give you the graces and the strength you will need; I urge you to keep faithful to him and keep away from anyone who rebels against him; above all, never listen to anyone who dispels him; never let your love for him grow insincere; My enemies will try to buy you for themselves with insidious speeches, the evil one is at his work already and Destruction is not far away from you; the Pope will have much to suffer; this is why you will all be persecuted for proclaiming the Truth and for being obedient to My Pope; this is also why they will hate you, because their deeds are evil and indeed, everybody who works for evil hates the Light and avoids it, for fear his actions of Destructiveness should be exposed;"

    I keep telling people, 'how much more will God keep silent?' I feel as though now the prophecy about Fire is very near.

    We must pray for those who are against Pope Francis and have been deluded because it grieves our Lord that these are listening to false judgment.

    In Christ,
    Vassula
     
  13. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    UGH.
     
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  14. AED

    AED Powers

    God preserve us from false apparitions. There is no possible way an ordinary Catholic can discern this or any other messages of so called seers. That is why the bishop has been given the authority and the charism to discern for us. Stay far far away from this woman people.
     
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  15. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Agreed. 100%
     
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  16. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Sometimes it takes night to fall so you can see things more clearly.

    Luke 2:35

    ....so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed
     
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  17. KyleHancock

    KyleHancock Angels

    I can't find the source right now (I believe it was this book (https://smile.amazon.com/Miracle-De...words=miracle+detective&qid=1574178241&sr=8-1)), but someone that was part of Vassula's inner circle exposed the fact that the messages that were "handwritten" from God had rough draft versions that were edited prior to the final versions. I'm not going to speak for or against Vassula, but from my own personal discernment if God was really directing the handwriting there wouldn't need to be a first and final draft.
     
  18. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Its sobering but she has a huge following from right around the world including several well qualified theologians. It just goes to show. You can never be too careful.

    The irony of someone who is Orthodox upbraiding Catholics and telling them they are from Satan for asking questions about some of the goings on of a Roman Pontiff ,when they themselves have been Schismatic, totally rejecting his leadership and many Papal teachings for nearly a 1000 years since 1054 is not lost on me.

    A case of do as I say, not do as I do.

    Bizarre. Like hunting with the hounds and running with the rabbits.
     
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  19. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    A response to Vassula's letters on Pope Francis

    The following article from Fr Joseph Iannuzzi is a response to the two letters Vassula sent out on November 13th and 15th concerning Pope Francis. Vassula has described it as 'an excellent article' and encourages its translation into other languages.
    In recent days the True Life in God ecclesiastically approved prophetic revelations of Vassula Ryden on the Vicar of Christ have received an outpouring of attention and applause. Vassula issued two recent letters reiterating the importance Jesus places on remaining loyal to the Pope, and alerting the faithful to the woeful consequences they will cause mankind and the entire Church if they fail to do so.

    As a doctoral alumnus of the Pontifical University of Rome, it is my duty as theologian (1) to inform the faithful of the doctrines contained in said revelations and letters, which are 100% consistent with biblical prophecies and the approved prophetic literature of scores of saints in the Church. One may find these approved prophecies in the latest True Life in God Magazine, Issue 43, September 2019 (cf. link: http://www.tligmagazine.org/Issue43/TLIGmag43/16/
    More pointedly, the contents of Vassula's letters on Pope Francis constitute a clarion call to those who choose to disobey, disparage, calumniate, persecute or condemn Pope Francis, or who shamefully demand his resignation. I here recall Jesus' recent words of August 16, 2019: "Beware of those who condemn the Pope...anyone who condemns the Vicar of My Church cannot be My disciple..." More alarming is the satanic plan to overthrow the Pope, which will bring down disaster for mankind. To Vassula Jesus reveals, "The rebellion is at its work already, but in secret, and the one who is holding it back [the Pope] has first to be removed, before the Rebel appears openly"; "If anyone comes your way and tells you: „move from your fidelity you have for this Pope to another's sound movement'; do not move! beware! the yeast of the Deceiver may be powerful and might taste good, but in reality it is of deadly deception!"

    Let us recall that, unlike his predecessors, Pope Francis did not obtain an S.Th.D. in theology, and yet the most erudite theologian Pontiff Benedict XVI, in response to a series of books advancing Pope Francis' theological approach to the Church and Christian unity, wrote:

    "I applaud this initiative. It contradicts the foolish prejudice of those who see Pope Francis as someone who lacks a particular theological and philosophical formation, while I would have been solely a theorist of theology with little understanding of the concrete lives of today's Christian... (These books) "reasonably demonstrate that Pope Francis is a man with profound philosophical and theological formation and are helpful to see the interior continuity between the two pontificates, even with all the differences in style and temperament."

    While the Church's teaches that "schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him," (2) those who persecute Pope Francis are advancing said schism and also, however unknowingly, Satan's plan to overthrow the Papacy and bring down disaster upon mankind. This Vassula articulated very clearly in her recent letters. To the embarrassment of those who claim Pope Francis is not a real Pope, Jesus emphatically warned all TLIG readers of the legitimacy of Pope Francis' Papacy and of the moral obligation they have to honour him as such (cf. TLIG August 16, 2019). Vassula also noted in her recent letters that Jesus alerted the faithful to Satan's diabolic plan that is happening today, which is to remove the Pope (the "restrainer" of 2 Thes. 2:7) and the Eucharist (the "perpetual sacrifice" of Dan. 9:27, 11:31, 12:11; Mt. 24:15), and replace it with the prophesied "abomination of desolation" (Dn. 11:31), thereby bringing down disaster upon mankind and the Church (cf. TLIG messages Dec. 12, 1987; Dec. 20, 1993). These warnings of Jesus and reiterated by Vassula, are sufficient reason for individuals to desist from persecuting Pope Francis.

    While one may take exception to the grammatical form in which Pope Francis expresses himself, as he does not have that razor-edge theological and formal grammatical precision of Card. Ratzinger, it reprehensible for one to publicly or through the media calumniate him (3). As a theologian I can affirm without equivocation that Pope Francis has never preached or written anything that is doctrinally erroneous, despite what the papal-persecutors assert. Here we come to the distinction between form and substance. As Vassula noted in her recent letters, the Bible is not exempt from ambiguous and erroneous grammar (form), but its doctrine (substance) is unassailable. For more info. on this form-grammar binomial distinction, you may refer to ecclesiastically endorsed publication, "A Theological Review of the Ecclesiastically Approved True Life in God Prophetic Revelations"

    (cf. link: http://www.tligmagazine.org/Issue43/TLIGmag43/12/ )

    It is morally reprehensible for anyone, much less a follower of True Life in God, to badmouth the Pope whilst claiming to be a disciple of Christ. Therefore it was with Christian courage and keen spiritual insight that Vassula extended an injunction to all TLIG members to either desist from falsely claiming that Pope Francis is not a valid Pontiff and from persecuting him or to leave TLIG. For the very core of the Christian unity that Jesus articulates in the TLIG messages is predicated on the unity between the Pope and all the members of the mystical body of Christ, which includes the Patriarchs, Bishops, priests and laity. To reject the Pope is to reject the TLIG messages. One must either accept all of that which Jesus reveals in the TLIG messages, or be honest before God and man and walk away for the betterment of others; "Bad company corrupts good morals" (1 Cor. 5:33).
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    1. Cf. the Magisterial teaching contained in the CDF's Instruction, Donum Veritatis, On the Ecclesial Vocation of the Theologian.

    2. CCC, 2089; cf. CIC, can. 751.

    3. Ibid., art 30: "If, despite a loyal effort on the theologian's part, the difficulties persist, the theologian has the duty to make known to the Magisterial authorities the problems raised by the teaching in itself, in the arguments proposed to justify it, or even in the manner in which it is presented. He should do this in an evangelical spirit and with a profound desire to resolve the difficulties. His objections could then contribute to real progress and provide a stimulus to the Magisterium to propose the teaching of the Church in greater depth and with a clearer presentation of the arguments.

    In cases like these, the theologian should avoid turning to the "mass media", but have recourse to the responsible authority, for it is not by seeking to exert the pressure of public opinion that one contributes to the clarification of doctrinal issues and renders servite to the truth.

    31. It can also happen that at the conclusion of a serious study, undertaken with the desire to heed the Magisterium's teaching without hesitation, the theologian's difficulty remains because the arguments to the contrary seem more persuasive to him. Faced with a proposition to which he feels he cannot give his intellectual assent, the theologian nevertheless has the duty to remain open to a deeper examination of the question.

    For a loyal spirit, animated by love for the Church, such a situation can certainly prove a difficult trial. It can be a call to suffer for the truth, in silence and prayer, but with the certainty, that if the truth really is at stake, it will ultimately prevail."

    Rev. Joseph Iannuzzi, S.T.L., S.Th.D.
     
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  20. Bella

    Bella Guest

    I have to admit, I find all the anti Pope Francis stuff a distraction. I don't know what to think about the man.
     

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