Not my favourite people but all credit to both of them for this discussion. Peterson made a good point about the Church bleeding members because it asks too little of them. I was surprised to hear Bishop Barron agree, and telling Peterson that he (the Bishop) tells his people that we've got to stop trying to hug people back into the Faith and we've got to make it compelling and challenging. (Not being his biggest fan, I found myself arguing at the screen telling the Bishop that he can start by dropping his borderline Universalist approach). That said, the Bishop was excellent in this discussion - as a Catholic Bishop should be. Anyway, it's a long video but well worth watching.