Apostasy

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Is the Church heading towards Apostasy?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    When most major prophecy warns of Apostasy.
    Why do so many think it is not possible?
    Why are members so offended when the issue is raised?
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  2. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

    Because, Mac, the world apostatised a long time ago and when you raise the topic you are wanting to 'push' your own long expressed negative views about Pope Francis and his leadership of the Church.
     
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  3. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Were not talking about the World David.
    Apostasy in the Church.
    But thanks for proving my point.
     
  4. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

    And hasn't the Church, which is made up of all those who were believers, already apostatised?
     
  5. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I think the saddest thing is that many in the Church can't see the apostasy that is happening. The devil has done such an expert job that though we are in the midst of the greatest apostasy the Church has ever known we are blind to it. The utter ridiculousness of what is going on is mind boggling. "Dignity" masses for openly gay people. Priests getting ovations in Church for coming out from the pulpit. Clergy of all rank openly flaunting Church teaching. Talk of changing the Church teachings we don't like.

    Where are all the excommunications? Imagine if any one of these things happened 50 years ago. The offending priest would be removed to some remote island or stripped of their collar, now they are applauded as "forward thinkers". Apostasy? There is no question.

    Of course many churchmen and lay people in apostasy does not mean the Church is not the Church. Within hours of the consecration of the first bishops, one killed himself and all the rest but one, including the Pope fled from Christ. The only one who stayed loyal was the one who stayed with the Blessed Mother. When all seems lost cling to Our Lady and she will see you through the storm.
     
  6. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    The prophecies I am talking about refer to those still holding positions in the Church.
    You know ,those who have apostatized in their hearts and reject church teaching.
     
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  7. Aviso

    Aviso Guest

    I vote Yes and unfortunately Yes at 100%, good thread Mac and very good Post from Praetorian.

    Mac, please remember us any major prophecy linked to the Apostasy in the Church and still holding positions in the Church, thanks.

    Aviso
     
  8. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Sure Aviso. I can list plenty. You know them all already most likely. The most recent from my list would be Akita.

    The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres ; churches and altars will be sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

    Is there anything in this prophecy which has not been fulfilled?
     
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  9. Aviso

    Aviso Guest

    Thanks Mac, Akita was in 1973 so 42 years ago, do you think there is any other Prophecy close to us ?

    My second and third questions will be, do you know if satan can were a crown with 12 stars and kissed Rosaries as well, my last question as do not want to bother you, who can wear a crown with 12 stars ? just between us, thanks.

    Aviso
     
  10. FatimaPilgrim

    FatimaPilgrim Powers

    I voted yes but we are not headed for it, rather we are already in it.
     
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  11. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    This is only my opinion. But I will give it.
    One of the punishments that'' Men do not see falling upon them''Sr Lucia Is that God withdraws his grace . That is a punishment.
    Fatima was a full Apparition ,at Akita we went down to a locution . After that , ???
    This is the time of Diabolical disorientation. And you wont hear Cardinal Kasper and his henchmen tell you that!
     
  12. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    I second that.
     
  13. Basto

    Basto Guest

    That’s an evidence that goes from many very local parish priests to the most famous heretical cardinals who lost their shame and fear of God and they’re very proud now of their public blasphemies. The real question should be how I cope with that!
     
  14. MMM

    MMM Guest

    It is a very general question. The loss of faith of many priests is also replace with new holy priests from other countries. I'm sure in the history of the church there were many, many failed priests. Of course there was no mass media and Internet back then. Thank God our priest is a very holy, selfless man committed to God and the flock. I have every confidence in the Pope in matters of faith and morals. I hope I can maintain my faith in the coming storms but Jesus questioned if He will find faith on earth when he returns for a reason, we know the church is shrinking and the faith of many believers growing cold.
     
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  15. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I suppose there were times in thehistory of the Church hwen things were a lot worse.

    Howewver I can only speak of my own times and I would have to say I believe a great Apostasy has occurred. I am not saying things were perfect when I was young, for instance all that child molesting and cover up were occuring and it was all under a screen. I think we were too triumphalist and patting each other on the back (at least here in Ireland).

    But now I would say if we carry on at the same rate of decay I woulds ay the Church (as we know it ) will probably fade away in perhaps a generation.

    While it is true that it will be replaced by a far, far smaller and holier remant (as Pope Benedict indicated) still again I am not sure if we should be Triumphalist about that either. Isn't a tiny remnat to some degree a kind of failure too?

    Part of me would love to see a battle ax Pope come in and excommunicate all round him. This would of course bring on general Schism but perhaps this is better at the moment , were Cardinals and Bishops calim to be Catholic were they really are no so such thing.

    However we have the example of Christ and Our Lady. When Juda was a member of the first Apostolic College he was stealing from the general funds, not only that he was to become the traitor who would have Jesus killed.

    There can be no doubt Mary and Jesus both knew this , but in knowing this left Him in place to continue. There is a great mystery to this.

    This makes me hesitate to put forward simple answers and panceas. It makes me slow to say what any particular Pope should or should not do.

    I am afraid I will just have to trust in Mary's promise, 'That in the End my Immaculate Heart will Triumph'.

    One thing though. If you consider all that is happening in the Church ..all she is undergoing in too negative a sense I think it induces too much despair. Certainly there is badness and great evil, but there is great sanctity and fruitfulness there too.

    We see this as mass every day..do we not?

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  16. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    You guys are full of doom and gloom...is not God in charge. You guys look at the negative and focus on the bad. The prophecy of apostacy has already taken place...pedophile priests, the loss of good sisters and priests after vatican 2, the silence of the church in these evil times. But that was the great apostasy, everything is being rectified by the Holy Spirit. The pedophiles have been uncovered, the liberal social orders that came out of Vatican 2 are a dying breed and the Church is starting to speak against the culture of death (world). If you really think 2000 years of Christianity is loss then you guys do not believe in the Creator of Heaven and Earth.

    May Gods Will be Done
     
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  17. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I do not think we are being full of gloom and doom any more than Our Lady when she predicted all of these things. I think we are grieving as a collective for Christ's Bride as she becomes sullies and destroyed. No one is saying that the 2,000 years of the Church is lost. She will be triumphant in the end, but right now she is on the way to Calvary and it is right to shed tears and grieve at this moment just as Our Lady did. Seeing something so precious being mocked and mistreated.

    So many souls are being lost. I shudder to think of the great number who are damned in this most wicked generation.No I do not think we are on the way out now, we are in a tailspin and still on the way down. Christ will only save us at the last moment when all truly seems lost making it that much more miraculous.
     
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  18. CrewDog

    CrewDog Guest

    ...... and thus why The Storm is upon us! Apostasy is not going on in just the Catholic Church .... It's everywhere and in every Faith ... Christian and otherwise!
    I believe that catastrophe is imminent, the Faithful (of all Faiths) will be drawn together in refuges for survival and as a beacon of Hope to salvageable humanity "outside" ... outside where the truly evil are preying upon one another, along with the foolish unprepared, with unspeakable horror whilst attempting to breach the "Walls" of the Refuges. At the peak of The Storm, a time of near total despair will be followed by Divine Intervention with the BVM in command of St Michael's Angelic Legions. It's essentially the message of Charlie J., Mark M. and plenty of others we have read about here ...Sounds quite "Far Out" ... Right!? ... Wake the **** Up!! Horror be happening NOW in the Middle East ... dust off your History of the 20th Century and read about the Death Camps in Germany, Japan, China and Cambodia ... Horrors in Rwanda .... but ....where there were Beacons of Faith and Hope even in those places!
    Jesus appeared to St Faustina with the Divine Mercy Message in the years prior to WWII and all the above 20th Century Horrors. I'd "Bet the Farm" that that was no accident. St Faustina died an early death from TB at age 33 ... coincidence? ... and one year before Hitler and Stalin loosed their demonic forces upon Poland and the rest of Humanity..... coincidence!? ... I'm thinking her early death was a gift of Divine Blessing/Mercy. Though dying a slow death from TB is not a pleasant one it's another Sign to us that following Jesus and Our Faith can be a tough way to go!
    Anyway! Charlie J. claims that The Storm = Global Civil War but he has been told that "only" 26 million will be lost. I don't doubt Global Strife but that sounds like a low number of casualties to me? When I first read this figure, I assumed it was the number of those lost to satan. That would make more sense to me but I hope Charlie has it right!
    The Divine Mercy Message has always given me great Comfort and Hope ... sad Renegade Catholic that I am.:( And with this wonderful message I have come to understand the meaning of Jesus' words: "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me." ....... coming to the Father via Jesus be it through the Portals of The Catholic Church or any Christian, Jewish Denomination or ???? ... or at the moment of death when The Lord told St Faustina that He Reaches Out to Every Soul ..... if all else fails!!! Just remember to reach back:)
    I simply don't believe Almighty God created Humanity so that satan and pals could "grab" huge numbers of them for eternal damnation.... is that not the message of The Passion, Cross, Blood of the Lamb and Divine Mercy!!

    GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
     
  19. padraig

    padraig New Member

    The difficulty with the Church is that she faded in holiness, she has faded in Holiness because she has not prayed.

    This is why when Our Lady is sent from heaven , the central things she asks is that we pray and do penacne that we might shine once forth again in holiness. She is not coming on a Tourist visa, she is a woman on a mission. As the Church fails , so has the world because the Church is the Light of the World.

    When I was young I did not see these things, that the Light of the Church is being extinguished. ..and so the Light of the World is going out, like a candle. Now I can see this all around me, even the people I see in the streets each day, the people at work.


    As to people who cannot see this..well I really don't know what to say. Those who can see.

    See.

    Those who cannot; remain blind.

    Lord grant me eyes that I may see.

    Psalm 119:18

    Thy Word
    17Deal bountifully with Your servant, That I may live and keep Your word. 18Open my eyes, that I may behold Wonderful things from Your law. 19I am a stranger in the earth; Do not hide Your commandments from me.…

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  20. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Shed tears and grieve...NO

    As Mother Teresa did Pray and Smile. Are things messed up...of course. But should we be gloomy children of God...NO.

    It's not our calling...what is our calling is to pray and enjoy every moment. Let our suffering be on the inside. Don't let others see. On the outside be brave soldiers of God.

    I get these threads excite some of you. I just think it's the wrong approach.

    Brother al
     
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