Alice Von Hildebrand Sheds New Light on Third Secret of Fatima

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  1. BrianK

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    Alice Von Hildebrand Sheds New Light on Fatima

    Introductory commentary by Fr. Brian W. Harrison, O.S.

    Owing to a lack of clarity and specificity in Chapter 8 of Pope Francis’ Apostolic Exhortation, Amoris Laetitia (AL), mutually contradictory views are circulating as to what it means for Catholics living publicly in objectively sinful relationships. Has the present Holy Father broken with his predecessors, who never permitted any of these folks to receive Holy Communion? Some say Yes, some say No. The distinguished German Catholic philosopher Robert Spaemann, a friend of Pope Benedict XVI, has not hesitated to affirm in a recent interview that with the promulgation of AL, “chaos [has been]raised to a principle by the stroke of a pen”, and that “the consequences are already foreseeable: uncertainty and confusion, from the bishops’ conferences to the small parishes in the middle of nowhere.”

    This critical situation invites further reflection on the message of Our Lady of Fatima, as we begin this Friday (May 13, 2016), the 100th year since her first appearance to the Portuguese shepherd children. Back in 1980 the one surviving visionary, Sister Lucy, wrote an important letter to Monsignor (now Cardinal) Carlo Caffarra. After Pope John Paul asked him to begin a new Pontifical Institute for studies on marriage and the family, Caffarra wrote to Sister Lucy, simply requesting her prayers for this venture. He has recently made known his surprise at receiving “a very long letter with her signature. . . . In it we find written: ‘The final battle between the Lord and the reign of Satan will be about marriage and the family. Don’t be afraid, because anyone who works for the sanctity of marriage and the family will always be contended and opposed in every way, for this is the decisive issue.’ And then she concluded: ‘however, Our Lady has already crushed its head.’”

    This reassurance is encouraging, because fifteen years after Sister Lucia wrote that letter, Cardinal Luigi Ciappi (1909-1996), personal theological adviser to five popes, made a stunning disclosure about that part of the Fatima secret that the Vatican has never released (and which is evidently referenced by the enigmatic word “etc.” in the published part of Our Lady’s message). His Eminence, one of the few persons who had seen the complete secret, wrote in a 1995 letter to Professor Baumgartner of Salzburg: “In the Third Secret it is predicted, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.

    Such a shocking prophecy would explain why Sister Lucy herself confessed to being traumatized by it, why Pope John XXIII decided not to publish it on schedule in 1960, and why Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani of the Holy Office, in answer to a reporter’s question, stated acidly that the Third Secret had been relegated “to the bottom of the Vatican archives – and that’s where it deserves to stay!” (A priest who as a young man was living in Rome in 1960 has told me he distinctly recalls reading these words of the cardinal in a newspaper report.) As the Church’s top doctrinal watchdog, Ottaviani might well have judged that such an appalling message might unsettle the faith of many Catholics in the See of Peter, the ‘Rock’ on whom Christ built his Church.

    The foregoing observations should help to set in their context the following testimony from Dr. Alice von Hildebrand, whom I have been privileged to know for about twenty years. It provides clear corroboration of what Cardinal Ciappi said about the secret, but was made known to her and her late husband, the renowned philosopher Dietrich von Hildebrand, a full thirty years before Ciappi wrote his letter to the Austrian professor. In a private email at the beginning of May Dr. von Hildebrand told me about this 1965 conversation in Florence. I asked her whether she would allow this to be made known to a wider audience, and after consulting with her spiritual director, she replied that he had given her permission to do so. (Msgr. Mario Boehm, whose testimony she records here, was a leading member of the editorial staff of the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano during the 1930s and 1940s, when the editor-in-chief was Count Giuseppe Dalla Torre. Boehm retained high-level contacts in Rome after his retirement.)

    Dr. von Hildebrand added that it would be good for this account to be accompanied here by that of another similar conversation she and her husband had in the 1960s with the former communist agent Bella Dodd. I personally find these testimonies linked to the Fatima message deeply consoling at this time of increasing confusion and profoundly disturbing change emanating from the highest levels of Church authority. For they indicate that Heaven has not only foreseen this great crisis, but has forewarned us, in order to reassure Catholics that, whatever may happen in the immediate future, Christ is still the unassailable Head of his Church, and that the Immaculate Heart of his most holy Mother, Queen of the Holy Rosary, who to Satan is as “terrible as an army set in battle array”, will triumph in the end.

    Dr. von Hildebrand, in her 90s, now finds some difficulty in writing by computer, so I have slightly edited her original email for greater clarity. She has approved the following version and graciously given her permission for it to be posted on the OnePeterFive website:

    (email to Fr. Brian Harrison dated May 6, 2016):

    Dear Father,

    I think the following two conversations, which I recall very well from the 1960s, are of particular interest now, in these deeply troubled times half a century later. For they apparently corroborate Cardinal Ciappi’s testimony that part of Our Lady’s Fatima secret was the shocking prediction that the great apostasy in the Church would begin “at the top.”

    The first conversation was In June 1965. We were in Florence in the house where my husband was born, and where I spent my first sabbatical. My husband invited a priest named Msgr. Mario Boehm, whom he had met in Rome shortly after his conversion, and who had been one of the top editors of L’Osservatore Romano for many years. The topic of Fatima came up. My husband raised the question, “Why was the third secret of Fatima not revealed?” For the Holy Virgin had said it should be shared with the faithful in 1960.

    Don Mario: It was not revealed because of its content. My husband: What was so fearful about it? Msgr. Boehm (as a well-trained Italian) did not say that he had read it, but intimated that the content was fearful: “infiltration of the Church to the very top”. It shattered us but confirmed my husband’s fear that the way Vatican II was interpreted was going to expose the Church to terrible dangers. Alas, this fear was well founded.

    The second conversation is one with Bella Dodd that I have already spoken about on previous occasions. We met her in the Fall of 1965 and she visited us here at New Rochelle, NY, where I still live, either in 1966 or 1967. She had been an ardent communist from her student days at Hunter College – a hotbed of communism. (That is why I was systematically persecuted there, as recounted in my book, Memoirs of a Happy Failure.)Bella had sown the seeds of this diabolical philosophy at Hunter, but converted in 1952 under the guidance of Archbishop Fulton Sheen. Let me repeat the conversation between her and my husband:

    DvH: I fear the Church has been infiltrated.

    Bella: You fear it, dear Professor; I know it! When I was an ardent communist I was working in close contact with four cardinals in the Vatican working for us; and they are still very active today.

    DvH: Who are they? My nephew Dieter Sattler is a German stationed at the Holy See.

    But Bella, who was under the spiritual guidance of Archbishop Sheen, declined to give him this information.

    The only recourse we have now is prayer, and the firm conviction that the gates of hell shall not prevail. St. Matthew ch. XXIV has warned us.

    In union of ardent prayers.

    I am, dear Father, respectfully yours in Christ,

    Alice von Hildebrand
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  3. padraig

    padraig New Member

    my own take is that the Holy Father is under the evil influence or spell of the Satanic, he is in a way a captive
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  4. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    I find it fascinating some of these players are still alive. Even Cardinal Capovilla.
    I hope they live to see the fulfillment of Fatima.
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  5. DeGaulle

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    May 13th 1916 fell on a Sunday, Resurrection Day, May 13th 2016 falls on a Friday, the Day of Crucifixion.

    Is it just me, or is this ominous?

    It is sobering indeed that the suspicion lies even over Cardinal Ottoviani that he may have gainsaid Our Lady (a possible example of the risks of clericalism?).

    And why is Archbishop Fulton Sheen still not a saint? Is he not one of the great pillars of truth that all of us can trust?

    The same names of great sanctity keep cropping up.
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  6. DeGaulle

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    Thank God the evil one hasn't extorted ex cathedra heresy out of him. Let us pray that Pope Francis will continue not to yield.
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  7. "Quis ut Deus"

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  8. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    The article consists of conjecture and speculation and is devoid of reliable supportive and relevant source material. Peter Bannister went to a lot of trouble to expose this kind of journalism in his recent excellent book.
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  9. "Quis ut Deus"

    "Quis ut Deus" Powers Staff Member

    Thanks for the heads up and putting that right..(y)
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  10. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    That's the best, most reality based way to look at the current situation in the Church. (But it might not reflect what von Hildebrande is saying.)
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  11. padraig

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    I am fascinated by the way that prolife groups are understanDing the situation. Here for instance is a view from a prolife conference in Rome which someone sent me:

    Voice of the Family calls on Pope Francis to withdraw Amoris Laetitia

    amoris laetitia , catholic , rome life forum , voice of the family

    ROME, May 9, 2016 (
    LifeSiteNews) -- Over 100 pro-life and pro-family leaders from all over the world leapt to their feet in applause at a meeting in Rome on Saturday after hearing a call for Pope Francis to withdraw his controversial exhortation Amoris Laetitia.

    John Smeaton, co-founder of Voice of the Family and the CEO of the UK Society for the Protection of Unborn Children, issued the request to the Pope in his keynote address at the annual Rome Life Forum.

    Smeaton spoke following Bishop Athanasius Schneider, who in his speech decried growing confusion in the Church, and who has previously expressed grave concerns about the exhortation.

    Smeaton highlighted several concerns with the exhortation, including:

    I think every Catholic individual and group have their own spiritual charisms granted them by god through the Holy Spirit. I have come to believe that pro life groups have a deep gift of seeing right through the bull shit (pardon my French) to see the truth. They also have the Charism of stating that truth when they see it. So when the rest of us are kind of floundering around confused wondering what on Earth is going down the pro lifers have seen right to the very crux of things. Following on from this while the rest of us are wondering whether or not we might be right to say something ,the pro lifers are up on their hind legs screaming about things.:D:D

    I just adore these quailties. They are so rare in todays world when everything is about group think and going along with the Liberal take on things. How have pro Life groups ended up with these wonderful graces? Well I supect it comes with the territory. The overwhelming majority of Western Societies accept the murder of the unborn as par for the course , 'As normal'. So it takes a clear moral view to see beyond this, to think outside the box and it takes quite considerable courage to place forward a minority viewpoint.

    So when they place this lazor like vision and turn it on the Church thay can help us see more clearly and inspire the rest of us with the courage to get up and speak.

    But I don't know if you have noticed? Pro life groups are coming under attack from WITHIN THE CHURCH AND AT HIGH LEVELS. I just find this stunning...and a huge Sign of the Times. We should be celebrating these people as the very best of the best that the Church has to offer, gving them every kind of support and encouragement yet they are having mud thrown at them.

    Why is this happeneing? Because they are speaking truth to Liberal/ Modernist false hood.

    But anyway I would encourage any Catholic who feels confused and lost at the moment, wondering what is going down in the Church to..

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  12. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Bishop Athanasius Schneieder is well worth listening too:

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  13. garabandal

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    I see the pro-life groups as the warriors of the faith - Church militant - taking the Gospel of Life into the streets and engaging in spiritual warfare with the enemy. I too respect what they have to say as they know the enemy and they know the strategies of the enemy.

    That they can see how Al can and will be manipulated by the enemy (within and out of the Church) should give us all cause for concern.

    Pro-life groups are often run like charities by lay people who are doing this out of a sense of conviction with scarce resources and with little support from within the Church. They are the little Daivid's taking on the corporate power of the Goliath's. Abortion is big business financially but also at its heart a demonic business. Future generations will look back on this generation with shock and horror much in the same way that we look back at human sacrifice rituals of the Mayans and Aztecs.

    Pro-life groups prick the conscience of the world. They are the voice of the voiceless.
  14. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    And I disagree profoundly with Pope Francis when he said Catholics can speak too much on abortion. Sorry, but that is rubbish!

    “We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods,” Pope Francis said at the time. The pope added, “I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.”

    It is essential to speak up all the time for the unborn. They have no voice. If I do not speak for them who will? Abortion is the deliberate killing of the unborn and unspeakable crime that cries to heaven for justice. Little innocents' who are made in the image and likeness of the unseen God.

    PS - I do not mean to be disrespectful to the Holy Father's opinion but even the Pope can get it wrong:whistle:.

    One time in prayer God impressed silently on my heart 'Defend my Mother, love the unborn and pray for the protection of My Church'.

    Soon after that someone wrote an ugly letter in our local paper critical of our Blessed Mother. The letter I wrote back in reply was published and was a beautiful defence of Our Lady inspired by the Holy Spirit but when I wrote it I felt her very close and have at all times since. These three things I am prepared to die for. Our Blessed Lady, the Unborn and the Catholic faith.

    Let us all be a voice for the voiceless in whatever way we can. Pray very much for the unborn.
  15. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Proverbs 31:8-10
    8 Speak out on behalf of the voiceless,
    and for the rights of all who are vulnerable.
    9 Speak out in order to judge with righteousness
    and to defend the needy and the poor.


    'To be a voice for the voiceless'

    Jeremiah 31:15

    14"I will fill the soul of the priests with abundance, And My people will be satisfied with My goodness," declares the LORD. 15Thus says the LORD, "A voice is heard in Ramah, Lamentation and bitter weeping. Rachel is weeping for her children; She refuses to be comforted for her children, Because they are no more." 16Thus says the LORD, "Restrain your voice from weeping And your eyes from tears; For your work will be rewarded," declares the LORD, "And they will return from the land of the enemy.…

  16. BrianK

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    This is an interesting interpretation regarding the Rome March for Life. (It is only one interpretation and I'm not saying I agree with it, but given the circumstances it should be considered):
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  17. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    ProLife groups are being attacked by the church even at the local diocesan level. Personally, I see this as the apostasy of the church at large....Satan has his claws embedded from the bottom on up.
  18. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Thanks for this post Brian!
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  19. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I was amazed when I first saw them doing this, Beth. Dissassociating from pro life. The total opposite of what I would have expected, it is a bit like the FBI being sent to arrest all American Veteran Association Members. Kind of crazy.

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  20. BrianK

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    We taught NFP in this diocese for ten years as part of our prolife work (all hormonal contraceptives are abortifacient at least part of the time).

    The previous bishop here defunded the NFP office as one of his first acts. As Beth knows the last bishop here was NOT pro life.
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