A Third Nicene Catholic-Orthodox Joint Council in 2025?

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  1. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

    I am not sure if this has been posted here before, so please pardon me and direct me to the appropriate thread if it has. I think this interesting and exciting possibility for Catholic-Orthodox re-union has generally been under-reported. We ought to be preparing in prayer and petitioning Our Lord Jesus and Our Mother Mary for such a Council that unites the Churches under the Roman Catholic Church, as that will solve so many of the problems of the world and in Christianity today, fulfill Our Lord's desire that All who believe May be One in Him, that the World may believe in Him. There is an ancient prophesy of a future Council at which "the Greeks [i.e. the Orthodox] will return to the obedience of the Roman [i.e. the Catholic] Church".

    That would fulfill Our Lady's expressed desire at Fatima and Amsterdam and more quickly bring the promised peace to the world. What do you all think?

    See also "[Patriarch] Bartholomew: With [Pope] Francis, we invite all Christians to celebrate the first synod of Nicaea in 2025"

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    http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Bart...-the-first-synod-of-Nicaea-in-2025-31213.html


    The below article from: http://catholicstarherald.org/catholic-and-orthodox-journeying-toward-unity/

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    Pope Francis greets Metropolitan John of Pergamon, head of the Orthodox delegation from the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, at the conclusion of a Mass marking the feast of Saints Peter and Paul in Saint Peter’s Basilica at the Vatican June 29.

    Back in June, Pope Francis met with a delegation of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople who came to Rome to celebrate the feast of Saints Peter and Paul. Pope Francis has a close tie with the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, Bartholomew I, who he has met with several times since becoming pope in 2013. In fact, he was the first Patriarch of Constantinople to ever attend an installation of a pope of Rome. Francis often invites the patriarch to join him on historical occasions and has visited the Holy Phanar in Constantinople for a Divine Liturgy celebrated by Bartholomew.

    While the two leaders share a great rapport, the two great churches of the East and West are still separated after almost a millennium.

    Pope Francis is building upon the foundation of rapprochement laid by all the popes going back to Pope Saint John XXIII who called for an Ecumenical Council aimed at modernizing the church and healing the divisions of Christianity. While they were together on a joint pilgrimage to the Holy Land, they discussed the possibility of an “ecumenical synod” in 2025 to mark the 1,700th anniversary of the Great Council of Nicaea. It was at this Council that the undivided church produced the Nicene Creed. They have also banded together in their efforts to confront such global issues as fostering peace and addressing climate change and abuse of the environment.

    Anthony Limberakis, who lives in Philadelphia and serves as national commander of the Order of Saint Andrew, an Orthodox organization that promotes the work of the patriarch in the U.S., believes that the two churches are certainly on the road “journeying toward unity.”

    He said, “The fact that these two leaders have come together for reconciliation is an example for others. They have reaffirmed their willingness to continue their dialogue and to try and accomplish full communion between the churches.”

    Father John Chryssavgis, an Orthodox priest and theological advisor to Patriarch Bartholomew, remarked on the close ties of the leaders that “underlines the serious and sincere commitment to the unity that the two ‘Sister Churches’ seek, it also recognizes the need, regardless of confessional differences, for a united witness to a broken world, where social injustice abounds, where the ecological crisis has reached alarming heights and where power and religion are abused.”

    At the June meeting in Rome, Pope Francis said that the journey toward unity or full communion should respect their ancient and unique traditions. He said we are not seeking some wooden uniformity that in the end would be boring, but rather a diversity that respects each tradition.

    “Peter and Paul, as disciples and apostles of Jesus Christ, served the Lord in very different ways,” said the pope to the Orthodox delegation. He added, “Yet in their diversity, both bore witness to the merciful love of God our Father, which each in his own fashion profoundly experienced, even to the sacrifice of his own life.”

    He also reminded all present that day that the churches of East and West always commemorate the feast of the two great Apostles together. He said this is the right thing to do, especially together as Orthodox and Catholics, because the feast is also a celebration of “their self-sacrifice for love of the Lord, for it is at the same time a commemoration of unity and diversity.”

    He said gathering together to remember these two patrons of the church “increases our desire for the full restoration of communion between Catholics and Orthodox.”

    Pope Francis reminded everyone that this is the 50th anniversary of the meetings of Blessed Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras at the Phanar and Rome in 1967. He said, “The example of these courageous and farsighted pastors, moved solely by love for Christ and his church, encourages us to press forward in our journey toward full unity.”

    He also prayed for the success of the meeting that is taking place this month in Leros, Greece, of the Coordinating Committee of the Joint International Commission for Theological Dialogue between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church. He said his hope for this meeting is that it “will take place in a spiritual climate of attentiveness to the Lord’s will and in a clear recognition of the journey already being made together by many Catholics and Orthodox faithful in various parts of the world, and that it will prove most fruitful for the future of ecumenical dialogue.”

    Father Joseph D. Wallace is director, Ecumenical and Inter-religious Affairs, Diocese of Camden.
     
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  2. Mario

    Mario Powers

    The following is taken from the website dedicated to Our Lady of Soufanieh who has promised an initial fulfillment of this prayer by agreement on a unified Easter date!

    PRAYER FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY


    O Lord,
    who on the eve of Your death for our sake,
    have prayed so that all Your disciples become wholly One,
    the same as You are in Your Father and Your Father is in You,
    please make us feel grievously the infidelity of our disunion.
    Give us the loyalty to acknowledge
    and the courage to reject the mutual indifference,
    mistrust and even hostility which hide in us.
    Grant us that we all meet in You
    so that Your prayer for the Unity of Christians
    ascend unceasingly from our souls and lips,
    such as You want it and through the means that You choose.
    In You who are total charity,
    let us find the path that leads to Unity in obedience
    to Your love and Your truth.
    AMEN.

    Message from the Holy Virgin - Monday, November 26, 1990 - Eve of the 8th anniversary of the phenomenon

    Do not fear, My daughter, if I tell you that you are seeing Me
    for the last time until the feast (of Easter) is unified.
    Therefore, tell My children:
    Do they want or not to see and remember the wounds of My Son in you?
    If it does not pain them to see that you are suffering doubly, I Myself, am a Mother, and it pains Me to see My Son suffering repeatedly.
    Remain in peace, remain in peace, My daughter.
    Come, so that He may give you peace, so that you may spread it among the people.
    As for the oil, it will continue to manifest itself on your hands to glorify My Son Jesus, whenever He wishes and wherever you go.
    We are with you and with everyone who wishes the Feast (of Easter) to be One.
     
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  3. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

    When His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI declared that the Tridentine Mass had never been forbidden, one of the first to welcome it was then Patriarch Alexei II of Moscow. "
    Russian Orthodox prelate welcomes return of Latin Mass August 31, 2007
    Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexei II has said that the revival of the traditional Mass will have a positive effect on relations between the Catholic and Orthodox churches.

    "We strongly adhere to tradition," Patriarch Alexei said in an August interview with the Italian newspaper Il Giornale "The recovery and honoring of an ancient liturgical tradition is a development that we can welcome." https://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=53230

    Please keep especially the current Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, Metropolitan Hilarion and all representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church in your prayers so that reunion as promised at Fatima may come.

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    See also, on the occasion of Summorom Pontificum: "The Patriarch’s statement is of major moment, coming as it does from the head of an ecclesiastical body known to be sparing in favorable comments concerning the Holy See and the papacy.

    Notably, the feast chosen for the law to go into effect is kept alike by Latin Rite Catholics, their Uniate Byzantine brethren, and the Orthodox. The feast is celebrated by all on the same date (though the actual day varies because some from the above groups use the Gregorian Calendar, while others use the Julian). The triumphal theme of the liturgy seems apt for the occasion." https://catholicism.org/latin-mass-orthodox.html

    Please keep His Holiness Pope Francis in your prayers that He may do all that God Wills for him, for the Church, and for the cause of Catholic-Orthodox Re-Union.

    Do also pray for Patriarch Bartholomew and all the representatives of the Greek Orthodox Church. Recently, Constantinople and Moscow had a schism.

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/...ience-apostoliki-daiconia-greek-orthodox.html

    More recently: Pope to Greek Orthodox: ‘we have more in common than what keeps us apart'
    Pope Francis receives in audience the Apostolikí Diaconía, the authority of the Orthodox Church of Greece, thanking it for its work to promote Christian Unity and to serve families.

    By Linda Bordoni

    Pope Francis on Monday reflected on the fruitfulness and importance of Catholic Orthodox dialogue on the journey to full communion.

    He was speaking to the Apostolikí Diaconía and the Centre for the Family of the Orthodox Archdiocese of Athens whom he received in the Vatican.

    The Apostolikí Diaconía is the authority of the Orthodox Church responsible for missions and evangelization and has a large press centre for the dissemination of theological and liturgical texts.

    It is headed by Bishop Agathanghelos whom the Pope addressed personally asking him to convey his fraternal good wishes to His Beatitude Hieronymus upon his return to Athens.

    In his discourse, the Pope noted that cooperation between Apostolikí Diaconía and the Vatican Council for Promoting Christian Unity has been taking place for over fifteen years and “has resulted in a number of praiseworthy cultural and educational projects”.

    “It is a fine example of how fruitful it can be when Catholics and Orthodox work together” he said.

    We have more in common than what keeps us apart
    The Pope remarked on how during these years it has clearly emerged “that what we have in common is much greater than what keeps us apart”.

    Working together, he said, helps us to see one another as brothers and sisters.

    He said young people urge us not to remain prisoners of our differences, “but to grow in the desire to journey together and to dream of surmounting the difficulties standing in the way of full communion”.

    “It is up to us to continue to advance together, to work together and to see ourselves once more as brothers and sisters” he said.

    Appeal to continue to the journey to communion
    The Pope appealed for a joint commitment to make the journey to deeper communion “not as individuals going their separate ways and working for their own goals”, but “as brothers and sisters whom God’s providence has made us encounter as we journey together towards the one Lord, bearing one another’s burdens and rejoicing in each other’s progress” ...
     
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  4. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

    Please pray for our Popes, Patriarchs, Cardinals and Bishops every day that they may lead the Churches to Unity. Our Lady is working on something beyond our sight and slowly moving the Shepherds to come together. Her Immaculate Heart will unite Moscow and Constantinople with the Roman Catholic Church.

    https://www.ncronline.org/news/peop...res-inter-orthodox-feud-offers-catholics-hope

    New Ukraine church endures inter-Orthodox feud, but offers Catholics hope

    Mar 13, 2019
    by Jonathan Luxmoore

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    A clergyman of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine attends a Dec. 16, 2018, liturgy at St. Michael's Cathedral in Kiev, Ukraine. (CNS/Valentyn Ogirenko, Reuters)
    WARSAW, POLAND — When the primate of Ukraine's independent Orthodox church was formally enthroned in early February, there were hopes for some easing of the bitter atmosphere over the new church's break with Russia's Moscow Patriarchate.

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    With Russian Orthodox leaders rejecting the new church and cold-shouldering the ecumenical patriarchate for approving its creation, the feud looks set to continue and intensify in the run-up to Ukraine's crucial presidential elections on March 31.

    Yet Catholics in Ukraine and Eastern Europe remain optimistic that the Orthodox Church of Ukraine, once up and running, could herald a turn for the better in ecumenical relations.

    Related: Official recognition for Ukrainian church roils Orthodox world
    "This church will certainly differ markedly from Russian Orthodoxy by supporting Ukrainian society's pro-European aspirations and being more open to the outside world," said Marcin Przeciszewski, director of neighboring Poland's Catholic Information Agency, KAI. "But much will depend on how effectively it avoids negative publicity and distances itself from the kind of forceful emotions which play into the hands of Russian propagandists."

    Speaking at his Feb. 3 enthronement in Kiev's St. Sophia Cathedral in Ukraine, the 40-year-old Metropolitan of Kiev and All Ukraine, Epiphanius Dumenko, stressed that the "doors of our churches" were open to everyone and pledged "cooperation and dialogue with other churches and religious organizations."

    His commitment was applauded by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, attending alongside other officials, who said hopes were now pinned on Epiphanius to reconcile Ukraine's hitherto divided Orthodox communities, together accounting for about 70 percent of its some 44 million inhabitants.

    However, at the end of January Russia's Patriarch Kirill denounced the new church and assured a Moscow audience that Russian-Ukrainian unity would outlast "temporary political schemes."

    Meanwhile, despite Poroshenko's pledges that the new church will be independent from the state, Russian President Vladimir Putin accused Ukrainian politicians of "exploiting religion in a struggle for power," and said his government would "reserve the right" to intervene if pro-Russia Ukrainians faced harassment.

    "Profiteering, politicking and parasiting on religious matters divides people and provokes anger and intolerance," Putin told the same audience at the Moscow ceremony. "This is precisely the kind of project, a totally false struggle for power unconnected with any faith, now being conducted in Ukraine."

    Several Roman and Greek Catholic prelates also attended Epiphanius' Kiev enthronement, led by Major Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk, whose Greek Catholic church combines loyalty to Rome with the Eastern rite, and is larger than Ukraine's Roman or Latin Catholic church.

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    Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople kisses Metropolitan Epiphanius Dumenko, head of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine, Jan. 6, as he hands him a decree granting the Orthodox Church of Ukraine independence, at the Patriarchal Cathedral of St. George in Istanbul, Turkey. (CNS/Murad Sezer, Reuters)

    Shevchuk told Ukrainian television he'd already agreed on a "roadmap for cooperation" with the new Orthodox primate, which will include education, charity work and shared liturgies, as well as help for victims of the Russian-backed separatist war still plaguing eastern Ukraine.

    "Our Christian unity provides a necessary platform for our national, social and state unity, and will enable us to oppose all external forces which aim at destroying our identity and common statehood," he continued. "While we cannot change history, we can now build our future."

    For now, Roman Catholic leaders, fearful of Russian sensitivities, are holding back, while Catholic aid groups are also taking care not to be drawn into the inter-Orthodox dispute.

    When Cardinal Kurt Koch, president of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, visited Moscow on Feb. 12 for the third anniversary of the pope's historic meeting with Patriarch Kirill in Cuba, he assured Kirill's foreign relations director, Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev, efforts would continue to "forge inter-church links."

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    Russian Orthodox bishops celebrate the Divine Liturgy at the Cathedral of Christ the Savior with Patriarch Kirill of Moscow May 24, 2017, the feast of the Ascension. (CNS/Robert Duncan)

    In this complex situation, Przeciszewski thinks Ukraine's Greek Catholics could prove important partners for the new Orthodox church.

    "Epiphanius and Shevchuk are both relatively young and clearly open to understanding and collaboration," the Polish expert told NCR. "Their two churches also clearly share a link with Ukrainian independence and national identity, which gives them a natural space for dialogue when the Vatican and other Catholic communities are having to wait."

    Kirill severed all links with Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, honorary primate of the world's 300 million Orthodox, after Bartholomew decreed an end in October 2018 to the Moscow Patriarchate's 332-year jurisdiction over Ukraine, and recognized the country's breakaway Orthodox communities instead.

    In December, Kirill sent letters to Pope Francis and world leaders, warning that Orthodox Christians remaining loyal to the Moscow Patriarchate now faced "full-scale persecution," while Russian Orthodox Bishop Metropolitan Hilarion accused Bartholomew of accepting American funds and fulfilling "orders from the U.S. administration."

    Undeterred, Epiphanius was elected primate at a Dec. 15, 2018, Unification Council in Kiev and handed a "Tomos of Autocephaly," or decree, by Bartholomew on Jan. 6, formally establishing the world's 15th main Orthodox church.

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    Metropolitan Epiphanius Dumenko, newly elected head of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine, conducts a Dec. 16, 2018, liturgy at St. Michael's Cathedral in Kiev, Ukraine. (CNS/Valentyn Ogirenko, Reuters) ... (please see the link for the rest)
     
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  5. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

    Two recent/upcoming events in Catholic/Orthodox matters: (1) His Holiness Pope Francis will try to improve Catholic-Orthodox relations in his trip to Romania, and (2) Patriarch Bartholomew, Ecumenical Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church, gives an interview explaining his decision and the schism with Russia. https://cruxnow.com/church-in-europ...-thaw-catholic-orthodox-relations-in-romania/

    "ROME - When Pope Francis lands in Romania in late May, the local church hopes that he will be able to encourage a “spiritual wind” from the East into Europe and rebuild the chilled relations between the Catholic and Orthodox communities in the country.

    “This side of Europe is a little bit more tied to spirituality, it’s not yet as predominantly attached to the material world as the West,” said Romanian Father Francisc Dobos, spokesman for the Catholic Archdiocese of Bucharest, in a March 18 interview with Crux.

    “It can become a place to say: ‘Europe wake up! Take a breath from a spiritual point of view’,” he added.

    The interview took place after a meeting with the press organized by Rome’s Opus Dei-run Santa Croce University, to discuss the May 31 to June 2 papal visit to the Eastern European country of Romania.

    Over 80 percent of the Romanian population is Eastern Orthodox, with Catholic faithful representing a minority at only 4.7 percent, according to a 2011 census. While dialogue between the two denominations is “peaceful and open,” Dobos said during his presentation, it has become “more rigid” and “less fruitful than before.”

    When Saint John Paul II visited Romania in 1999, he could rely on his strong personal relationship with the then head of the Romanian Orthodox church, Patriarch Teoctist. This bond was manifest in frequent ecumenical displays in the country, from praying together to attending each other’s Masses.

    But according to local clergy the relationship between Catholics and Orthodox lost most of its enthusiasm once Patriarch Daniel took the helm of the Romanian Orthodox church in 2008.

    The new Patriarch “has not encouraged the celebration of joint prayers, not with Catholics nor with any other religious denominations. There is not even anymore a joint prayer during the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity,” said Archbishop Ioan Robu of Bucharest, president of the Romanian bishops’ conference in an interview last year.

    RELATED: Romanian prelate says Pope Francis will visit in 2019

    According to Dobos there are many examples of sincere friendship and dialogue with individual Orthodox priests, but some fringes of the majority religion struggle to consider Catholicism a “sister faith.”

    “For the Orthodox church when we use the term ecumenism it’s like having an electric shock,” he said, adding in a positive spin that “if we don’t have ecumenism, well, then we have bridges, we knock down walls and we walk together.”

    Relations are particularly strained between the Orthodox Church and Greek Catholic minority, which suffered some of the harshest oppression during the 1948-1998 Communist regime. The Greek Catholic faith was outlawed, and its properties handed over to the Orthodox church.

    Since some of that property was never returned - including a much-disputed cathedral in Baia Mare - the tensions persist. As Robu described, “relations between Greek Catholics and Orthodox are living a sort of winter.”

    Addressing the complex relations with the Orthodox majority will probably be on Francis’s to-do list once he arrives in Romania on the 20th anniversary of John Paul II’s historic visit. The country’s widespread corruption and the diaspora of many of its citizens to other European countries are two other important issues that the local church hopes the pontiff will address, Dobos said.

    In 2007, when Romania joined the European Union, up to 3.4 million Romanians left their country, according to a 2018 study by Immigrant Integration Research Centre at Move, an international conference discussing migration and the integration of migrants. In 2016 the number of young people aged 15-29 fell by 28 percent, according to Eurostat data.

    These alarming numbers have impacted not only the country’s long-term future, but also the survival of its religious minorities that have witnessed their ranks substantially diminished.

    Dobos hopes that Francis’s papal visit may reinvigorate the local Catholic Church by encouraging it to reach out to believers not only with the Sacraments, but also with a “social engagement for the common good.”

    The goal is “for Catholics to become a voice in the public realm,” he added. “To be brave and realize that we have a role, just like the Greek Catholics, in the creation of Romania.”
     
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  6. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

    Interview of His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew by journalist Zivojin Rakocevic for the Serbian newspaper “Politika”
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    Interviewer: How would you describe the position of Orthodoxy in the modern world? What is your role as Ecumenical Patriarch? I have in mind the Serbian theologian Stojan Gosevic, who once expressed the view that “if there was no Ecumenical Patriarchate, we should have to create it.” Could there be Orthodoxy without the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople?

    Ecumenical Patriarch: First of all, thank you for your effort and your concern in visiting the Ecumenical Patriarchate and giving us, through this interview, the opportunity to communicate with the pious clergy and the Christ-loving Serbian people ...

    Interviewer: I would like to move on to more straightforward questions, hoping that you will not be disturbed by my sincerity and directness. For more than a century, the subject of autocephaly tormented the unity of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine ...

    Ecumenical Patriarch: As you rightly say, the question of autocephaly has been tormenting Ukraine for more than a century. If we go in the past, we will find that there were intense and concerted efforts to free the Kievan people, clergy, monks, and the local hierarchy from the ecclesiastical manipulation of the Patriarchate of Moscow. These efforts began as early as 1325, when the seat of the Metropolitan of Kiev was permanently transferred to Moscow, which events are recorded in history and are no longer disputed. There have been several attempts at autocephaly in the past, which have not been successful. We believe that God does everything according to His own plan. So God’s time came also for Ukraine.

    Regarding whether the granting of autocephaly will ultimately help with the issue of unity, we are sure that granting it was a prerequisite. Until yesterday, most of the Ukrainian people were outside the Church. This was something that hurt us. That is why, in the past, we made a lot of efforts to remedy this problem. For example, on our own initiative, we set up a joint committee of hierarchs from the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Patriarchate of Moscow, in order to find a solution. Ultimately, this committee almost never operated under the Patriarchate of Moscow, and so the problem has continually grown. Some used the misnomer of schismatic and thus comfort their conscience that everything is all right. But when one of our brothers is described as a schismatic or heretic, much less when an entire population of millions of people are out of the canonical Church on the grounds of schism, then we urgently and without any delay call for a spiritual and apostolic awakening, because “if one member suffers, all suffer together” (I Corinthians 12:26).

    For some, the existence of schism in Ukraine was the best excuse to give up this godly people, denying their responsibilities before God and history. For us, however, it was a motivation and a call from God to find solutions that are salvific and unifying, in order to re-establish this people in the sanctifying grace of the Church. What we did, therefore, was our apostolic duty and what the Holy and God-bearing Fathers of the Ecumenical Councils did, who constantly created the conditions, exercising an unconditional ecclesiastical economy, to bring those outside of the Church into its bosom. I would also like to see the issue of unity in this spirit. It is not a “reward” for the hierarchs Filaret and Makarios, as you say in your question. The issue of Ukraine should not be personalized. People will be leaving this world at some point.

    If the whole affair concerned only these two persons, be sure that the Church would have operated in a different manner. Today, because of the love of Christ and the unity of the Church, these persons were recognized only as bishops, not for the place they held. We could speak of rehabilitation if the Ecumenical Patriarchate had accepted Filaret as Patriarch and Makarios as Metropolitan of Lviv. But that did not happen.

    The issue of Ukraine should therefore be seen globally, ecclesiologically and soteriologically. Beyond all the personalities and national interests, it is important to address the problem. Today, the whole Orthodox people of Ukraine are in good canonical standing. There is a precondition for unity and sharing in the common cup. Now, if some do not accept this, they will have to ask themselves who is breaking the unity ...

    Ecumenical Patriarch: There are no more schismatics in Ukraine, because the Church has restored them. And we consider it a great blessing of the grace of the Holy Spirit that so many millions of people have entered into canonical regularity again. If you refer to the Proceedings of the Ecumenical Councils, you will see that what the Church of Constantinople did is not a new and unprecedented act. The Fathers were always anxious to create the conditions for unity and reintegration into the Church. Having the worst information before them, they were trying to get the best result. So to your question about whether we could perform this restoration, I answer straight to you: of course we could, since there were no dogmatic differences. We have already referred to the 9th and 17th Canons of the Fourth Ecumenical Council, which entitle the Ecumenical Patriarch to take care of such matters. We did not discover this right, or rather this great ecclesiastical responsibility, but we received it. And the Holy Fathers who introduced it knew well why they did it.

    As far as Filaret is concerned, the Church recognizes him as Metropolitan of Kiev. Now, within the Church of Ukraine, we do not want to intervene unless we are asked. Therefore, for us there is Filaret the Metropolitan of Kiev. The Patriarch of Kiev does not exist and never existed. But again I think we should not personalize the issue. Not all of Ukraine is Filaret.

    ... There is no “Pope of the East” in the consciousness of the Orthodox Church, or, of course, in our own thought and humble ministry. The Ecumenical Patriarch does not operate unilaterally and of his own will, but cooperates and co-decides with the Holy and Sacred Synod. But it is a fact that the Ecumenical Councils have given responsibilities and obligations to the Church of Constantinople that the other Churches do not have. And this has not been entrusted to the Mother Church by one Ecumenical Council or a single Canon. It is not, therefore, a fortuity or a contextual conjuncture of those times. There are many Sacred Canons and several decisions of the Ecumenical and Local Synods that confirm these privileges. We cannot change this reality, nor do we have that right. These privileges of the Ecumenical Patriarchate are not related to any secular power, but to a spiritual ministry and responsibility. It is a high ecclesiastical and spiritual work. Having the experience of the ministry in the Patriarchal Throne for almost three decades, I can assure you that the cross of the Constantinople is its precursor.

    I love the Slavs and appreciate their devotion and their faith. But that some of them do not accept the lead of the Mother Church; that is a fact. This refusal, however, does not affect our love for them. We love them and we will continue to love them. Do not forget that the Ecumenical Patriarchate granted the Tomos of Autocephaly to Ukraine, a Slavic people. We would not have given such privileges unless we loved them. Besides, ordinary Slavic people have often shown us their love and respect.

    The Tomos given to Ukraine is also not a text that was created to confirm the privileges of Constantinople. On the contrary, it is a canonical and technical text, following the tradition of the Mother Church. There is nothing in the Ukrainian Tomos that is not included in other Tomes. What you are saying, that “Constantinople is the head of the Church,” is written precisely in the Tomos given to Moscow in 1590. Many elements of the Tomos of Ukraine also exist in the Tomos of Autocephaly of Serbia. This is, therefore, not a new text. Just the old ones received their Tomes and thanked God, having no difficulty accepting that the Orthodox Church had a First Throne. Today, some people are studying the Ukrainian Tomos individually and not in good spirit. However, this text does not constitute a foreign or a new text compared with the Tomes of the rest of the Autocephalous Churches. There is unity, relevance and continuity. This is how the Ecumenical Patriarchate works.

    All this richness and wealth neatly defines our patriarchal course, as it has determined the course of our venerable predecessors, and I am sure it will inspire the course of our successors. With what the Orthodox Church bequeathed to us, we are moving toward the glory of Christ, the unity of the Churches and the salvation of the people. With the grace of God, we have begun in this way, and our desire is to finish in this way." Please see: https://www.archons.org/-/politika-interview
     
  7. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

    There is an old patristic formula among the Church Fathers, "the Roman Church presides over the brotherhood in Love", known to the Orthodox. We favor Union of Love in the Truth of Christ between all the Churches under the Roman Catholic Church. The Church takes no sides in the disagreement between Moscow and Constantinople. But the right path forward is for each of the separated Churches to return to communion with Rome and accept the Catechism of the Church.

    Orthodox already accept about 98% of Catholic doctrines. Only on Filioque and the Immaculate Conception are there small misunderstandings that can be cleared up. The Orthodox will have to accept the Catholic doctrine that rejects contraception - which all the Fathers reject, and which most Orthodox rejected a 100 years ago.

    According to Catholic doctrine on Papal Primacy of Jurisdiction, the Orthodox Churches indeed have Valid Orders, but they lack the Power of Jurisdiction. This Jurisdiction can be received at any time when an Orthodox Bishop asks to be received into full communion with the Holy See and is confirmed in the episcopacy by the Successor of St. Peter.

    At the Second Council of Lyons and the Ecumenical Council of Florence, re-union attempts were made, without full success. If all goes well at Nicaea III and Orthodox sign a common confession of Faith with us, full restoration of communion between the Orthodox Churches and the Catholic Church will be complete.

    An example of a local Orthodox Church in Puerto Rico being restored to full communion with the Apostolic Throne/See of St. Peter.

    BREAKING NEWS: The Orthodox Church of Puerto Rico enters into communion with the Catholic Church.
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    “This news comes from Puerto Rico:
    June 10, 2017 the Pan Orthodox of St. Spyridon in Trujillo Alto, PR community were received into the Catholic Church as a Greco Catholic Byzantine community under the “Omophorion” (jurisdiction) of the Latin Archbishop, Metropolitan Roberto González, O.F.M.

    The welcome ceremony was presided over by the Vicar General of the Archdiocese, father Alberto Figueroa Morales on behalf of the Archbishop. The priests and parishioners made the profession of faith and during the liturgy were commemorated the Supreme Pontiff, Francisco and metropolitan Robert.

    This makes the community of San Espiridión the first Eastern Catholic in Puerto Rico community. Welcome to the priests and parishioners of San Espiridión to the Catholic Church. They will continue celebrating the Divine Liturgy and sacred mysteries according to the Byzantine tradition. The continuous liturgy in the Church Slavonic language, English and Spanish… following the liturgical calendar Julian (old calendar).

    The community was under the authority of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople (Istanbul). Now it has been under the jurisdiction of the Archbishop of San Juan of Puerto Rico. Probably then pass to belong to any of the Slavonic Byzantine Eastern Catholic churches, although they continue to remain under the local Latin metropolitan authority.

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    The Vicar General of the Archdiocese, Fr. Alberto Figueroa Morales, to bless the new community greco Catholic in San Juan after having received the profession of faith of them.

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    Peter DiLeo explains the Community agreement document
    between the Archdiocese and the community of San Espiridión.The Archimandrite chaired the first Divine Liturgy as a Greek Catholic community.

    The Church was built in the 1930s on the grounds of the old leper, in Trujillo Alto, Puerto Rico. The brothers missionaries Orthodox St. Peter of Cetinje brought this mission to the islands of the Caribbean from the Archdiocese of Mexico of the Greek Orthodox Church in the diaspora and to evangelize new believers.”

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    https://holysynergy.wordpress.com/2...ters-into-communion-with-the-catholic-church/

    Ancient Testimonies from the Ecumenical Councils on Papal Primacy from the Link:

    Council of Ephesus

    “Philip the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See said: ‘There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, Prince and Head of the Apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the Keys of the Kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: who down even to today and forever both lives and judges in his successors. The holy and most blessed Pope [St.] Celestine [the First], according to due order, is his Successor and holds his place, and us he sent to supply his place in this holy synod’” (Acts of the Council, session 3 [A.D. 431]).

    Council of Chalcedon

    “After the reading of the foregoing epistle [The Tome of Leo], the most reverend bishops cried out: ‘This is the faith of the fathers! This is the faith of the apostles! So we all believe! Thus the orthodox believe! Anathema to him who does not thus believe! Peter has spoken thus through Leo! . . . This is the true faith! Those of us who are orthodox thus believe! This is the faith of the Fathers!’” (Acts of the Council, session 2 [A.D. 451]).

    Blessed Peter, preserving in the strength of the Rock, which he has received, has not abandoned the helm of the Church, which he undertook. …And so if anything is rightly done and rightly decreed by us, if anything is won from the mercy of God by our daily supplications, it is of his work and merits whose power lives and whose authority prevails in his see. To him whom they know to be not only the patron of this see, but also primate of all Bishops. When, therefore, believe that he is speaking whose representative We are." — Pope Leo, Sermon 3:3-4
     
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  8. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

    His Holiness Pope Francis - following in the footsteps of Pope St. John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI - has some beautiful reflections urging Catholics and Orthodox to quickly re-unite in Truth and Love, because of a shared devotion to Jesus and Mary, shared witness even unto death under Communism, and so much else.

    "Pope Francis Speaks of Catholic-Orthodox Bond, Our Father and Mary in Romania

    Posted by Courtney Grogan and Hannah Brockhaus/CNA on Friday May 31st, 2019 at 2:43 PM
    Highlights of the first day of May 31-June 2 papal journey.
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    BUCHAREST, Romania — Pope Francis said Friday that Catholics and Orthodox are bonded by a “shared inheritance” of suffering for Christ, from the apostles to modern martyrs.

    “How many were the martyrs and confessors of the faith! In recent times, how many, from different confessions, stood side by side in prisons to support one another in turn,” Pope Francis said during his apostolic trip to Romania.

    “What they suffered for, even to the sacrifice of their lives, is too precious an inheritance to be disregarded or tarnished,” he said. “It is a shared inheritance, and it summons us to remain close to our brothers and sisters who share it.”

    In a meeting with Patriarch Daniel and the Synod of the Romanian Orthodox Church in Bucharest, Pope Francis highlighted how Catholics and Orthodox suffered together under Romania’s former communist regime.

    During his three-day trip to Romania, Pope Francis will beatify seven Greek-Catholic bishops of Romania who were killed by the communists between 1950 and 1970.

    “The bonds of faith that unite us go back to the apostles, the witnesses of the Risen Jesus, and in particular to the bond between Peter and Andrew, who, according to Tradition, brought the faith to these lands. Blood brothers, they were also in an exceptional way brothers in shedding their blood for the Lord,” Francis said in the Palace of the Patriarchate.

    “They remind us that there exists a fraternity of blood that precedes us and that, as a silent and life-giving stream flowing down the centuries, has never ceased to nourish and sustain us on our journey,” he said.

    Pope Francis’ trip to Romania marks the 20th anniversary of the first papal trip to Romania by St. John Paul II in 1999. At the time, John Paul II was prevented from traveling outside of the country’s capital of Bucharest, whereas Francis will also be visiting the Catholic communities in the regions of Transylvania and Moldova.

    “Twenty years ago, before this Holy Synod, Pope John Paul II said, ‘I have come to contemplate the face of Christ etched in your Church; I have come to venerate this suffering face, the pledge to you of new hope,’” he said. “I, too, have come here as a pilgrim desirous of seeing the Lord’s face in the faces of my brothers.”

    Pope Francis encouraged “journeying together,” remembering roots, not past grievances from wrongs endured.

    In 1948, when the Communist Party took power in Romania, the Greek Catholic Church was declared illegal. As many as 2,500 Greek-Catholic church buildings and other assets were seized and transferred to the Romanian Orthodox Church.

    In the wake of the revolution of 1989, the Romanian Greek Catholic Church was restored, but Catholics struggled to have their properties returned, many of which remain in Romanian Orthodox or government ownership.

    “The remembrance of steps taken and completed together encourages us to advance to the future in the awareness — certainly — of our differences, but, above all, in thanksgiving for a family atmosphere to be rediscovered and a memory of communion to be revived, that, like a lamp, can light up the steps of our journey,” Pope Francis said.

    “May the Holy Spirit renew us, for he disdains uniformity and loves to shape unity from the most beautiful and harmonious diversity,” he said.

    “May he, the creator of newness, make us courageous as we experience unprecedented ways of sharing and of mission,” Francis added. “May he, the strength of the martyrs, keep us from making his self-gift fruitless.”

    And in a meeting with the Romanian Orthodox in their new cathedral in Bucharest Friday, Pope Francis prayed for the union of Christians, as demonstrated in the first words of the Pater Noster.

    “Each time we say ‘Our Father,’ we state that the word ‘Father’ cannot stand on its own, apart from ‘Our,’” Pope Francis said in a meeting with Romanian Orthodox leaders and faithful with a common recitation of the Our Father.

    He said, “United in Jesus’ prayer, we are also united to his experience of love and intercession, which leads us to say: ‘My Father and your Father, my God and your God.’ We are invited to make ‘my’ become ‘our’ and ‘our’ to become a prayer.”
     
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  9. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

    Help us, Father, to take our brother or sister’s lives seriously, to make their history our history,” he prayed.

    Referring to the line of the Our Father, which asks God to provide “our daily bread,” Francis said today we ask also for the bread “of which so many people today are lacking”: love.

    “The Our Father is a prayer that leaves us troubled and crying out in protest against the famine of love in our time, against the individualism and indifference that profane your name, Father,” he prayed.

    “Help us to hunger to give freely of ourselves. Remind us, whenever we pray, that life is not about keeping ourselves comfortable, but about letting ourselves be broken; not about accumulating, but about sharing; not about eating to our heart’s content, but about feeding others,” Pope Francis said.

    Going through the Our Father line-by-line, the Pope addressed God the Father, “who art in heaven, a heaven that embraces all and in which you make the sun rise on the good and the evil, on the just and the unjust.”

    He prayed for peace and harmony on Earth through the intercession of those who dwell with God in heaven, “after having believed, loved and suffered greatly, even in our own days, simply for the fact that they were Christians.”

    “Together with them, we wish to hallow your name, placing it at the heart of all we do. May your name, Lord, and not ours, be the one that moves and awakens in us the exercise of charity,” he added.

    Reflecting on the desire for “your kingdom to come,” the Pope criticized the “frenetic consumerism that entices with glittering but fleeting realities,” and he prayed for the grace to give up the comfort of power, worldliness and self-sufficiency.

    “God’s will is that all be saved,” Francis said, quoting St. John Cassian, a monk and theologian who lived during the fourth and fifth centuries; thus the prayer says: “Thy will be done, not our will.”

    Pope Francis prayed for the “daily bread” who is Christ and for the “the bread of memory, the grace to nurture the shared roots of our Christian identity, so indispensable in an age when humanity, and the young in particular, tend to feel rootless amid the uncertainties of life and incapable of building their lives on a solid foundation.”

    “Each time we pray, we ask that our trespasses, our debts, be forgiven,” he continued, encouraging Catholics and Eastern Orthodox to find the strength of heart to forgive the trespasses of others.

    “And when the evil that lurks at the doorway of our hearts makes us want to close in on ourselves; when we feel more strongly the temptation to turn our back on others; help us again, Father, for the essence of sin is withdrawal from you and from our neighbor,” he prayed.

    “Help us to recognize in every one of our brothers and sisters a source of support on our common journey to you. Inspire in us the courage to say together: Our Father.”

    Pope Francis also celebrated Mass in Bucharest for the feast of the Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary on Friday, encouraging Catholics in Romania to imitate Mary’s humble joy in the little things in life.

    “Mary journeys, encounters and rejoices because she carries something greater than herself: She is the bearer of a blessing. Like her, may we, too, be unafraid to bear the blessing that Romania needs,” Pope Francis said May 31 in Bucharest’s St. Joseph Cathedral.

    “This is the secret of every Christian: God is in our midst as a powerful savior. Our certainty of this enables us, like Mary, to sing and exult with joy,” he said.

    Pope Francis said that contemplating Mary can help one realize the quiet sacrifices, devotion and self-denial made by so many mothers and grandmothers, who are unafraid to “roll up their sleeves” and shoulder difficulties for the sake of their children and families.
     
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  10. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

    As a good mother, Mary knows that love grows daily amid the little things of life,” he said. “A mother’s love and ingenuity was able to turn a stable into a home for Jesus, with poor swaddling clothes and an abundance of love.”

    “Mary, lowly and humble, starts from God’s greatness, and despite her problems — which were not few — she is filled with joy, for she entrusts herself to the Lord in all things. She reminds us that God can always work wonders if we open our hearts to him and to our brothers and sisters,” he explained.

    The feast of the Visitation celebrates the Virgin Mary’s journey to visit her cousin Elizabeth, who recognizes the unborn Messiah in Mary’s womb.

    “Mary journeys from Nazareth to the house of Zechariah and Elizabeth. It is the first of Mary’s journeys, as related by the Scriptures — the first of many,” Pope Francis said in his homily.

    “She will journey from Galilee to Bethlehem, where Jesus will be born; she will go down to Egypt to save her Child from Herod; she will go up again every year to Jerusalem for the Passover, and, ultimately, she will follow Jesus to Calvary,” he said.

    Pope Francis explained that these journeys all have one thing in common: “They were never easy; they always required courage and patience.”

    “They tell us that Our Lady knows what it means to walk uphill. … She knows what it is to be weary of walking, and she can take us by the hand amid our difficulties, in the most perilous twists and turns in our life’s journey,” he said.

    The Holy Spirit “urges us as Christians to experience the miraculous motherhood of the Church, as she seeks out, protects and gathers her children,” Pope Francis said.

    “Let us think of the great witnesses of these lands: simple persons who trusted in God in the midst of persecution. They did not put their hope in the world, but in the Lord, and thus they persevered,” he urged.

    The Mass concluded the first day of Pope Francis’ May 31-June 2 apostolic visit to Romania, which also included a meeting with officials."
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

    See also: "Pope Francis Will Beatify These Martyred Greek-Catholic Bishops in Romania

    Posted by Hannah Brockhaus/CNA on Friday May 31st, 2019 at 9:45 AM
    They were killed ‘in hatred of the faith’ between 1950 and 1970, during the Soviet occupation of Romania.
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    ROME — On Sunday in Blaj, Pope Francis will beatify seven Greek-Catholic bishops of Romania who were killed by the communist regime between 1950 and 1970.

    These martyrs “have given all to defend the Church. And at the cost of their lives, they did not accept the situation; they did not deny their very faith,” a Romanian Greek-Catholic priest told CNA.

    Father Vasile Man, the postulator of the bishops’ causes for beatification and vice rector of the Romanian seminary in Rome, said, “These bishops were already considered martyrs by the faithful for their witness of faith, for their courage, and for their fidelity to the Holy Father and the Church of Rome,” and they were, “above all, pastors.”

    Bishops Valeriu Traian Frentiu, Vasile Aftenie, Ioan Suciu, Tito Livio Chinezu, Ioan Balan, Alexandru Rusu and Iuliu Hossu were declared in March to have been killed “in hatred of the faith” between 1950 and 1970, during the Soviet occupation of Romania and the rule of Nicolae Ceausescu.

    Their beatification will take place June 2 during a celebration of the Divine Liturgy, presided over by Pope Francis in Blaj in the Transylvania region of Romania.

    Father Man said it is very significant for Romanian Catholics that the beatification will be proclaimed by Pope Francis instead of a papal delegate, as is ordinary practice for beatifications.

    It is an honor, he said, and, moreover, a sign of the Holy See’s recognition of the more than 40 years the laity, priests and bishops of the Greek-Catholic Church in Romania spent underground while imprisoned, persecuted and outlawed by the communist regime.

    Each of these bishops was arrested and held in prisons and camps until they died, often from isolation, cold, hunger, disease or hard manual labor. Most were never tried or convicted and were buried in unmarked graves, without religious services.

    A year before his death, Bishop Hossu was named a cardinal “in pectore.” After spending years in isolation, he died in a hospital in Bucharest in 1970. His last words were: “My struggle is over; yours continues.”

    In addition to imprisonment and isolation, Bishop Aftenie was tortured at the Interior Ministry, later dying from his wounds on May 10, 1950.

    “This is not of small importance” for the Catholic Church in Romania, Father Man said. “We hope that with the visit of the Holy Father and with their beatification, [their example] can reinvigorate the faith of the people.”

    He pointed out the importance of the martyred bishops’ examples in a world of increasing attachment to relativism and a subjective understanding of truth.

    “We need figures that teach us steadfastness, fidelity and proper principles, that teach us to be firm in [our] position,” he said, noting that each of the venerable bishops could have been released from prison had they abandoned the Church and become Orthodox under the regime’s “Church unification” plan.

    He said they also teach people to “accept the will of God in every situation,” even intense persecution, which is important because, “in the end, every one of us will have our place, our time in which we will have to give witness to our values.”

    Despite increasing secularization in Europe, including Romania, the country remains very Christian, primarily Eastern Orthodox, which makes up around 70% of the population, Father Man said.

    But the country’s Catholics, numbering no more than 6% of the population, are more diversified, which makes speaking about the Church in Romania “very complex,” he explained.

    The majority of Catholics in the country are of the Latin Rite and come from Romanian, Hungarian and German language and ethnic groups.

    There is also the Romanian Greek Catholic Church, to which the soon-to-be beatified bishops belonged, which is a Byzantine Rite Church in communion with the Holy See.

    The Church’s unity and faithfulness to Rome was part of the reason for its persecution under the communist regime. “During communism, the Church was banned, because the communistic government did not support a Church which could not be controlled ... which had as its head a pope who was outside the borders of Romania,” Father Man explained.

    He said the relationship between Eastern and Latin Rite Catholics is very good: “On the liturgical level, there is a great difference, but as Catholics ... when there is an event, everyone participates.”

    “There is a good understanding” between the two, he said. “It is normal because we have the same faith; it is just that the faith is manifested in a different way liturgically, as the faith is the same.”

    Pope Francis’ visit May 31-June 2 will include meetings with the Latin Catholic community in Bucharest, with Hungarian Catholics at a Marian shrine in Miercurea-Ciuc — which before 1920 was a part of the Kingdom of Hungary — and with the Romanian Greek-Catholic community in Blaj.

    Encounters with Eastern Orthodox will be more limited. Francis will meet privately with Patriarch Daniel of Romania and with a small group from the Holy Synod, finishing with a quick stop at a newly constructed Orthodox cathedral, where they will pray the Our Father together.

    Father Man said the relationship of the Eastern Orthodox and the Catholic Church in Romania is “very delicate” and “not very friendly.” Though it has improved since the early 1990s, when there was conflict over the returning of Greek-Catholic properties given over to the Orthodox under communism, the “urgency” of that period is not as strongly felt.

    “Bit by bit [the Orthodox] started to give back the churches,” he said, though “the question of patrimony is not resolved.”

    Twenty years ago, when St. John Paul II visited the country, things were still “very tense” between the Orthodox and Greek Catholics, he noted.

    John Paul II wanted to visit Greek Catholics in Blaj during his trip in May 1999 but was restricted to staying only in Bucharest because of Catholic-Orthodox politics.

    “Now we have the joy of welcoming Pope Francis in all of the important places where there are Catholic faithful, no matter whether they are Greek Catholics or Latins,” Father Man stated.

    For Father Man, it is important to emphasize that Pope Francis’ visit is to the Catholic faithful. The Pope will greet everyone, because his message of peace, love and hope is for everyone, Father Man said, but he “comes above all as the head of the Catholic Church to visit the Catholic faithful.”

    http://m.ncregister.com/daily-news/...se-martyred-greek-catholic-bishops-in-romania
     
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    gracia Archangels

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  13. child of Mary

    child of Mary New Member

    I would be more concerned that Francis is gathering all his enemies under one umbrella to bring them into his One World Church!! Considering the way he has successfully gone about dismantling Roman Catholicism I am sure he would like to have influence over other churches that might otherwise oppose his United Nations humanist, fraternal, population control agenda. Unfortunately, I do not see this as him seeking the salvation of people's eternal souls, after all, there is no Hell - or if there is, it is empty. So who needs saving!
     
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  14. gracia

    gracia Archangels

    Is it possible that in spite of Francis' theological lack, that God's Spirit might still be behind this?
     
  15. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    We know that after the Warning all believers will be Roman Catholic. That’s my point of view at the present time.
     
  16. child of Mary

    child of Mary New Member

    It might not necessarily be that the Holy Spirit is "behind it", but rather that of course Almighty God can turn all things unto good.
    After the warning people will turn to God, because they will be forced to recognise that there IS a God, but I don't see how that means that all believers will be Roman Catholic before the warning. After all, the warning is to come when things are at their absolute worst and it is hard to attend Mass etc. I would be very sceptical of anyone who is attracted to join the Roman Church at this time as the Hierarchy and Pope are not preaching Truth: so therefore, those joining would be doing so because they are attracted to relativism and permissive untruths.
     
  17. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I guess it remains to be seen.
     
  18. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Archangels

    I was studying some aspects of the Eastern Orthodox faith, and some of them seem inspiring to us Catholics such as the tradition of choosing a new name (of a saint) for the baptized person, and recommending the protection of this Saint throughout the life of the faithful. I was also struck by some forms of prayer that also serve us Catholics, such as the "Komboskini", a prayer cord that basically involves the repetition of the prayer "Lord Jesus the Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner."
     

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