A Recently Obscure But Approved Apparition

Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by Mario, Jun 18, 2020.

  1. Mario

    Mario Powers

    I was going to include this in The Vatican Has Fallen thread, but changed my mind. The seer met with Sr. Lucia!

    Sorry if it's been posted elsewhere.

    O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
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  2. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Thank you Mario, I had heard of this apparition but for some reason did not know that it tied so clearly into the message of Fatima.
    This quote from 1995 given to them struck me particularly and gives me much hope.

    "My children, the darkness of Satan is now obscuring the whole world and it is also obscuring the Church of God. Prepare to live what I had revealed to my little daughters of Fatima... After the painful years of Satan's darkness, the years of the triumph of my immaculate Heart are now imminent."

    We all must redouble our commitment and efforts to the Immaculate Heart of Mary before the time of Our Lord's justice is upon the world. It sure seems as if we are upon the threshold of that time.
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  3. non sum dignus

    non sum dignus Archangels


    Not so sure about that. I tend to believe the message is true, but it is wrong to say approved if it is not formally approved.

    Here is a quote from Church Militant....

    The phenomenon led to a long, drawn-out investigation, the conclusions of which are still not definitive. Some are convinced it is a hoax. Others — including Viganò — are inspired by what they believe to be a miracle.

    Either way the 2018 message would still have to be investigated.
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  4. Sam

    Sam Powers

    Ongoing apparitions aren't approved until well after they are ended.
  5. Mario

    Mario Powers

    I apologize for being flippant with my claim, but the following facts do lend support. A Diocesan set up to study the apparitions expressed favor in support of the apparitions. The bishop then forwarded the study to the CDF which established a Commission on 10/27/1997. The Commission met, made a review, but was dissolved without rendering an official opinion. No word of caution or warning has ever been issued by the Vatican. On October 8, 2000, the document certifying the Pontifical consecration and crowning of the Virgin statue in the Vatican apartments by the Pope in 1995, was counter-signed by Pope Jon Paul II on October 20, 2000.

    O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.
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  6. Mario

    Mario Powers

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  7. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Watching the video
    I had read the transcript but need to refresh.
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  8. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    I’d take all that as Church approval!
  9. Mario

    Mario Powers

    More than any other virtue, I believe humility is key for these troubled times. Does not Adoration, by which Jesus, His Majesty, exults His Humility, show this to us. And so this portion of the Vigano interview points out:

    The Immaculate Heart of Mary is offered to man as a remedy because in it, by virtue of Her total Communion with the Divine Son, everything is consecrated to God, everything is His exclusive property. Here everything is pure from sin; it is the beginning of the New Creation. For this reason in Civitavecchia the Holy Virgin said: “The Lord has clothed me with His Light and the Holy Spirit with His Power. My task is to take all my children away from Satan and bring them back to the perfect glorification of the Most Holy Trinity.” And she added: “My wish is that you all consecrate yourselves to my Immaculate Heart so that I can lead you all to Jesus, cultivating you in my heavenly garden.” The titles that she gives herself also reflect this mission: “I present myself to you as Our Lady of Roses of the Immaculate Heart, Queen of Heaven, Mother of Families, Bearer of Peace in your hearts.” And she adds, "Convert, my sweet children, because time is running out.”

    Man, who in sin has lost Communion with God, like the branch torn from the vine, finds it again in Mary, she who is perfectly united to the Vine and capable of bringing the lifeblood to the branches. It is she who acts as the point of union between the branch and the Vine. This perfect union in the humility of the Virgin Mother is the salvation offered by God to lost humanity, it is the defeat of Satanic pride.

    If Satan wants to wrest the children of God from Communion with their Creator and Father, evidently the Virgin Mary, the Woman whose heel the ancient serpent strikes, cannot but be his perennial enemy, according to the ancient promise. Indeed, he knows that she will crush his head, that she has overcome his pride with her perfect humility.

    O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
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  10. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    Thank you for sharing this wonderful video, Mario. I have never heard of this apparition. Amazing.
    Funny thing, yesterday I started searching for a small, budget friendly Mary statue for my garden, so I was pleasantly surprised to hear this lovely story. :)
  11. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    One of the links from the Lifesite article was to this Daily Compass interview of Father Flavio Ubodi, who is the vice-president of the diocesan commission which approved of the apparitions, in the course of which the miraculous statue was placed in a church for veneration.

    “From Fatima to Civitavecchia, we are living in the Third Secret”
    “The apostasy within the Church is the most serious and shocking element” that emerges from the Marian revelations of the 20th century. “Cardinal Ciappi, who had read the Third Secret of Fatima, specified that the Virgin had said that the apostasy would be initiated from the top of the Church.” “We are governed by Masonry, because many politicians and unfortunately various bishops and cardinals are affiliated with it,” and “Italy was warned” of this by the Blessed Mother in her revelation at Civitavecchia in 1995. The suspension of public Masses can be considered “a practical apostasy.” The Daily Compass interviews Father Flavio Ubodi, a Capuchin theologian, for the 103rd anniversary of the beginning of the apparitions at Fatima.

    Apostasy by the hierarchy of the Church, the persecution of the Church not only by the world but also from within the Church herself, and the entrance into the times of the Third Secret of Fatima that will lead to the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. In short: we are at the apex of the clash between the Blessed Mother and Satan.

    This is the interpretation given by Father Flavio Ubodi to the times we are living in, based on the private Marian revelations given at Fatima and Civitavecchia. The Capuchin theologian is the author of a book called “Civitavecchia. 25 anni con Maria” (Ares, 2020). In the 1990s he was the vice-president of the diocesan theological commission that made a declaration in favour of the supernatural origin of the tears of Our Lady of Civitavecchia. This Marian revelation continued with apparitions and messages to the Gregori family that the Church has slowly recognised (to learn more see here). These messages reveal an explicit link between Fatima and Civitavecchia, the diocese on the edge of Rome where the Blessed Virgin appeared in 1995 to bring to fulfilment to what she foretold to the three shepherd children in 1917.

    On the occasion of the 103rd anniversary of the beginning of the apparitions at the Cova d'Iria, The Daily Compass interviewed Father Ubodi.

    Father Ubodi, on May 13, 2010, in his homily given at Fatima on the tenth anniversary of the beatification of Jacinta and Francesco, Benedict XVI said: “We would be mistaken to think that Fatima’s prophetic mission is complete.” What is this prophetic mission?
    First, it must be said that this statement of Benedict XVI shows that what Cardinal Bertone had said [in 2000] about the conclusion of the message of Fatima was false. The prophetic mission of Fatima is to announce what would take place in these end times. Whenever we deal with a prophecy contained in a secret, it is difficult to say precisely what it refers to. However, we may say with a certain confidence that it refers to apostasy within the Church (which is also what the messages at Civitavecchia have announced). This is the most serious and shocking element. Cardinals Silvio Oddi (1910-2001) and Mario Luigi Ciappi (1909-1996) said that the Blessed Mother had announced the great apostasy within the Church. And Cardinal Ciappi, who had read the Third Secret, specified that the Virgin had said that the apostasy would begin from the top. In my opinion, this is the great prophecy.

    How is this tied to the third part of the Secret of Fatima, in particular with the vision of martyrs and the persecutions of the Church?
    If there is an apostasy within the Church, beginning at the top, it is clear that whoever does not fall in line with the directives coming from the top will automatically be persecuted by the very leadership of the Church. This is something that goes beyond a persecution of the Church by secular power.

    At Fatima, in addition to asking for the reception of Holy Communion in reparation on First Saturdays, the Blessed Mother asked for the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart in order to preserve the world from the Second World War. But she was not listened to in time. 25 years ago when she appeared at Civitavecchia she asked in particular for the consecration of Italy. Why?
    She asked for the consecration of Italy and also of the whole world. Regarding Italy, she said: “Your nation is in grave danger.” She did not specify whether the danger she was referring to was physical, moral, spiritual, social, or natural disasters. Certainly Italy is undergoing enormous upheavals and a loss of Christian values. If you ask me, Italy was warned because the position of her leaders and those in government is in harmony with the apostasy within the Church and even favours it: creating restrictions on the Church, limiting the administration of the Sacraments and worship, and so forth. I have the impression that Covid-19 was the occasion for a trial run of these restrictions.

    Do you believe that the Church is renouncing her freedom?
    Yes. One has the impression that there is something like a Masonic agreement, at the top. We are governed by Masonry, because so many politicians and unfortunately various bishops and cardinals are affiliated with or are in obedience to a Masonic authority. So if there is a power that is over others that is in charge and giving directives, this part of the corrupted hierarchy must obey it. And since they have power over the Church, they are able to place restrictions and conditions on the life of the faithful.

    Both Fatima and Civitavecchia have the Eucharist at the centre of their messages. The Blessed Mother spoke to the Gregori family about receiving Holy Communion daily in order to grow in holiness. On the other hand, for nearly three months now the faithful have been unable to attend Mass, which will begin again on May 18 (in Italy) with serious restrictions made on the celebration of the Liturgy. How do you interpret this situation of being deprived of the Eucharist?
    It is an attack on the very heart of Christianity. The centre of everything is Jesus Christ; it is He whom we find in the Eucharist. If we want to have life, to be fully alive, we must receive the Eucharist. If instead we eliminate the Eucharist from the Church, from the life of the faithful, there will be a frightening spiritual impoverishment. Depriving the faithful of the Eucharist was a great Satanic action. This is implicit in the words of the Blessed Mother: if she recommends receiving Holy Communion daily and you deny this, then obviously what is happening is a great clash between the Blessed Mother and Satan, between the heart of Christianity that is Jesus Christ and the forces of the Enemy that want to separate people from Him. I am convinced that we are now living within the Third Secret of Fatima; it is being fulfilled.

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  12. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Beginning with Italy, the bishops of entire nations all over the world have suspended the Mass. In 2000 years of Church history, this has never been seen before.
    This could be one aspect of the present general apostasy – namely, a practical apostasy. First there is a doctrinal apostasy that consists of denying the fundamental truths of Christianity like Revelation: denying that the Word of God is valid for all times and places. Then there is a denial of the Tradition, dogmas, the truths contained in the Creed. And finally there is a denial of the divinity of Jesus Christ, reducing him to a simple man. And thus the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist is denied, the importance of the Sacraments, etc. This is on the doctrinal level. Then there is the practical apostasy: the abandonment of religious practice.

    What do you think of giving Jesus with gloves on?
    In my opinion this is a profanation that borders on sacrilege. Giving Communion with gloves means not having respect either for Jesus Christ present in the Eucharist or for the faithful who receive it. There is also the problem of the fragments of the Body of Christ that may remain attached to the gloves, and it is not known what happens to them.

    Let’s return to Fatima and Civitavecchia. What does the passage relating the conversation between Jessica Gregori and Sister Lucia tell us?
    The Blessed Mother gave the Third Secret to Jessica Gregori. In 1996 she met with Sister Lucia; they spoke together in private and, from what I know from Jessica, they compared the messages of the Blessed Mother and they matched perfectly. There is a very close relationship between Fatima and Civitavecchia. Fatima was at the beginning of the twentieth century, Civitavecchia at the end. Fatima was the announcement of what would happen; Civitavecchia was the moment of entering into the things that were announced at Fatima. At Civitavecchia the Blessed Mother said that Satan is trying to overshadow the world and also the Church. She warned: “Prepare yourselves to live through everything I revealed to my little daughters at Fatima.” We have now entered these times.

    What do the two messages share in common?
    The urgent invitation to conversion and consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. The messages of both Fatima and at Civitavecchia speak of consecration, not entrustment: there is a profound difference. Entrustment is more superficial, while consecration is much more powerful because it involves the entire person, family, Church, or nation that makes it. It is like saying, “I am yours; I hand over to you my entire being, so that you may deliver it to the Father.” Another point that Fatima and Civitavecchia have in common is the recitation of the Rosary as a weapon to defeat Satan, a weapon that drives away every danger to the soul and other dangers as well.

    Can you give an example of what you mean by danger?
    The message of the Blessed Mother at Civitavecchia revealed that Satan would try to destroy the world by trying to provoke a nuclear war.

    Civitavecchia makes clear Satan’s hatred against the Church and the family.
    The message of Civitavecchia is characterized above all by the family – that is, the destruction of the family, of the primordial cell of society. When these warnings were made by the Blessed Mother [in 1995] there was not yet a society that aggressively promotes cohabitation outside of marriage, homosexual couples, surrogate childbearing, etc. I see this connection: at Fatima the primary concern is the Church; at Medugorje it is the parish; at Civitavecchia the family. This could be one way to distinguish these Marian revelations, which otherwise have many points in common: the constant call to prayer, penance, and thus to conversion.

    What link is there between the vision of Hell at Fatima and the tears of Civitavecchia?
    The tears of Civitavecchia reveal the sorrow of the Blessed Mother, who weeps for the Blood of her Son that was poured out for many people in vain. The vision of Hell at Fatima reminds us that despite the Cross and the Blood of Jesus that is poured out, many are damned. The same thing is said at Civitavecchia but in another way. The blood that the Blessed Mother weeps is the Blood of Christ, because many do not benefit from this Blood. They reject the Mercy of God and so they damn themselves.

    The second statue of the Blessed Mother at Civitavecchia that exudes perfumed oil came from Medugorje. What significance does it have?
    This is also a significant phenomenon. This statue – which was given by Cardinal Andrzej Maria Deskur (1924-2011) and blessed in the name of John Paul II – gives off perfumed oil when it is least expected: in front of groups or individual people and often during liturgical celebrations. The oil is a sign of the protection of Mary and the graces of the Holy Spirit.

    If we are now approaching the high point of the battle, does this mean that the promised Triumph of the Blessed Mother is near?
    Certainly, but we do not know how long this battle will last. This is also a common aspect of the messages of Fatima and Civitavecchia: the Blessed Mother says that there will be trials and tribulations but in the end the Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph. This Triumph stands out in the revelations of Fatima and Civitavecchia and infuses strength into the heart of every believing Christian.
  13. Irishguy2

    Irishguy2 Guest

    Not only that but bishops as well.

    Heard from a priest that deceased priest who was very wealthy from inheritance, family money plus a house. He was already well set up for life before his ordination.

    That priest now deceased worked in west of Ireland as he had some tussles with his then Bishop over something. He even protested at Irish bishops conference years ago over some certain issues. His then Bishop knew well re priest's financial independence. One day, he said to that priest, give me all your money in return for a bishopric seat. That priest refused it and kept his own independence.

    Eventually he was excommunicated for some years before church allowed him back with different bishop's consent.

    The point I would like to make is bishops (not all of them though) greed for wealth to support their lifestyle here. 1/4 of the bishops here are reported to be gay.

    Its apostasy at bishopric level also cardinal level as well re money ahead of jesus on their minds.
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  14. Sunnyveil

    Sunnyveil Archangels

    In the video John Henry Westen relates that Archbishop Vigano visited the family in Civittivechia and that their statue of the Blessed Mother exuded oil. In fact, one of the bushes near the statue dripped oil on his head. I wonder if it was a sign from the Blessed Mother that he was being annointed for a special mission connected with the messages she gave the family. Archbishop Vigano carries with him always a cotton ball that was dipped in that oil. Nothing happens by accident.
  15. Firstly, glad I checked because I was almost going to post the aforementioned linked video above. I don’t know about anyone else, but now having heard John Henry read aloud some of the key messages of Our Lady that I, myself, had only read for the first time weeks ago, Civitavecchia has risen to major prominence needing further study. I mean, wow! So, so urgent, yet with such clarity, purity and Motherly and holy dolors! With Her words here, Our Lady has, at least for me, almost cut to the marrow of my bones. I had written to the publishers wondering when an English translation of the book might come together as I’ve seen nothing online making me believe that there is. If anyone knows of it, please let me know. Thank you.
  16. indaiatubano

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    Our Lady of Civitavecchia [The Connection to Fatima and the warnings of Apostasy in the Church]

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