CDF reaches negative judgment on Medjugorje, Italian journalists report

For discernment...an interesting perspective:

http://vatican.medjugorje.com/bishop-zanic-did-the-will-of-god

 

MESSAGE FROM OUR BLESSED MOTHER - JUNE 25, 2015
“Dear children! Also today the Most High gives me the grace to be able to love you and to call you to conversion. Little children, may God be your tomorrow and not war and lack of peace; not sorrow but joy and peace must begin to reign in the heart of every person - but without God you will never find peace. Therefore, little children, return to God and to prayer so that your heart may sing with joy. I am with you and I love you with immeasurable love. Thank you for having responded to my call.”

 

A Vatican pronouncement may indeed command obedience, but cannot settle the ultimate question of truth. That belongs to God alone.

Meanwhile, in the Amazon rainforest ... a message from an approved apparition site that appeared one day before the CDF meeting, where the very first message back in 1994 spoke of Medjugorje. Read it with your spirit and draw your own conclusions. Events are now about to speak for themselves...

Message of the Queen of the Rosary and of Peace, June 23, 2015
http://itapiranga0205.blogspot.fr/2015/06/mensagem-da-rainha-do-rosario-e-da-paz_23.html

My son, if I weep you* doubt. If I speak you do not believe. So when the day of Divine Justice comes, with the great chastisement that will befall the world, the Father will not listen or be attentive to your tears, because you despised and rejected my words and tears, shed for you for so long. Tell this to the world, to the bishops and priests, as quickly as possible, because God will ask much of them, more and more.
I bless you all: in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen!

[*PB It is obvious from the context that 'you' refers not to Edson Glauber but to those who have ignored or rejected Our Lady's warnings throughout the world]

 

Wow!!!

Psalm 140:6

Deliver Me, O Lord, from the Evil Man
…5The proud have hidden a trap for me, and cords; They have spread a net by the wayside; They have set snares for me. Selah. 6I said to the LORD, "You are my God; Give ear, O LORD, to the voice of my supplications. 7"O GOD the Lord, the strength of my salvation, You have covered my head in the day of battle.…

 

I think something is going to hit the fan soon. Medijorje will be verified by events soon to unfold so don't worry or waste time in useless discussion. Pray pray pray

 

This is the truth. Heaven is displeased. You cannot treat the Mother of God like a brush salesman.

The shit is just about to hit the fan big time.

 

It's unfortunate but I think what put the nail in the coffin for Pope Francis was the economic benefits the visionaries gained from their tours and guest houses etc. This pope is a critic of unbridled capitalism and Ivan's $3,000,000 real estate portfolio in the Boston area probably prejudiced this South American Jesuit Pope steeped in the preferential option for the poor.

Correction: Ivan's real estate portfolio in Boston is worth $1.5 million (which he paid off in only 5 years), not $3 million. Not a bad nest egg though.

 

With all due respect Brian, I do not think it is fair to put words in the mouth of Pope Francis around the issue. Also, it is worth mentioning that there have been many lies, fabrications and distortions that have come from critics of Medjugorje in their efforts to undermine the place right from the outset which have later been proven to be fraudulent and without basis, if we are to be totally honest.

 

Someone wrote here that I hate Medjugorje. That is not true. I hate nobody, it's a sin. Hasn't pope Francis already given hints in his homilies and through the Müller's restictions what his opinion about Medjugorje is. CDF and pope base their verdict on facts! Not on what we Catholics like or dislike.

 

And remember this report Sufi mystic Hasan Shushud predicted Medjugorje for me in detail one year before the apparitions began, an experienced pilgrim leader reveals. This will be a long and decisive apparition, and Rome has been entrusted with the great responsibility of accepting or rejecting Mary on behalf of all humanity, Hasan Shushud said. http://ingodscompany2.blogspot.com/2014/01/sufi-mystic-hasan-shushud-predicted.html

excerpts from the article.....
“You will see that Mary will suffer, wait, hope and continue to call for a long time, as she is inviting to the way of peace. During this period Satan will get the opportunity for his plans of godlessness, chaos, suffering, death”, Hasan Shushud told Inger Jensen.
In recent years, the Virgin Mary’s suffering and waiting have been particularly expressed in messages passed on by visionary Mirjana Dragicevic-Soldo.
“Mary needs a firm, truthful “yes!” to her plan, and this will not be given at the beginning. Therefore, Mary will be forced to take up a stand-by position. During the period when Mary suffers rejection, earthquakes the like of which have never been seen before will occur. Storms more violent than ever. Thunderstorms. Flooding. Fatal, contagious diseases. And egoism, materialism and violence will pervert societies”, Hasan Shushud continued.
“If Mary and her plans are accepted quickly, the suffering will be short-lived. If, however, Rome does not meet Mary with the needed firm, truthful acceptance when God grants to Rome the time and freedom to choose, then God once more will have offered peace, joy and love in vain, and mankind will feel the consequences of Satan’s plans”, Inger Jensen recounts Hasan Shushud’s words from 1980.

 

FATIMA SEER LUCIA DOS SANTOS

has never confirmed or unconfirmed any ongoing alleged apparitions! How do I know? Let's say that I had chance to either ask face to face or receive an email/letter from those who knew her for many years. They said that Sr. Lucia never said 'yes' or 'no' when asked about any apparions (including Medjugorje). She always said that "we must wait for the Church to tell it".

It is absurd to think that Sr. Lucia would have said something contrary to this to her nephew. She was honest and was not two-faced. Even the name of this nephew is wrong in those so called "recourses"...

God give us humble & pure hearts. Thank you.

 

Matthew 23:31

Woes to Scribes and Pharisees
…30and say, 'If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31"So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32"Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers.…

 

The time will come when certain people will shed tears of blood for what they have written on this Home of Mary.

 

With all due respect, how many times in the last two years have those of us who are of a more conservative or traditional nature been told to just trust this Pope and stop questioning everything he says and does?

If anyone has been paying attention it has been obvious from day one of his pontificate that this Pope was not positively predisposed to Medjugorje.

He has not been wrongly influenced by anyone, his mind was made up before he became Pope.

As has been said many times, the disobedience of the Medjugorje seers, promoters, and advocates has been the biggest stumbling block to its approval.

Now that the Pope is going to publicly reign in this phenomenon are you really going to make such a statement in public?

Because before any one else, what you've just posted applies to the Pope.

 

FLAWED REPORT
Italian press report that CDF has reached a negative judgement on Medjugorje is challenged by Radio Maria…
A report circulating on the internet today suggests that the CDF has reached a negative decision on Medjugorje.
The story is attributed to Italian journalist Gianluca Barile and claims that decisions were reached at a CDF Plenary meeting held yesterday, June 24.
However, it appears that the report is flawed.
Radio Maria has since announced that there wasn’t a Plenary meeting yesterday of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to discuss matters Medjugorje.
It posted on Twitter: “The Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith held no Plenary on #Medjugorje. Sleep peacefully. Our Lady watches…

 

I think that the ball is very much up in the air about what the Holy Father does or does not think about Medugorje. We will have to wait and see....

 

Just remember that decisions like this are of the temporal authority and can change, even waffle back and forth for awhile. Padre Pio, St. Faustina, and the apparitions at Lourdes all had to endure a period of disapproval. I'm just saying to those who immediately want to discredit Medjugorje, beware, and continue to discern, even after the Pope makes his announcement.

 

Medjugorge has already received 2 decisions: 'not approved supernatural'. This is third time now. Do you believe that this will continue forever and ever! I believe it will not. Better to be obedient to the Church. I think it's not good piece of advice to recommend discernment after Pope makes his announcement, if you mean by it that "maybe Pope has been wrong". The third time is enough. Hope Pope will make it clear to everyone!

 

As my last post in this thread I would just say then, after all this time it seems that the church cannot come up with any theological errors in the messages, very curious wouldn't you say? Also, they cannot disprove the good fruits coming from Medjugorje, also very curious. Sure there have been some bad apples, and the fallen angels hang around Medjugorje like a swarm of bees, and some people desperately want to disprove the apparitions there because they have understood what is at stake. So I am just saying to take all of this into account plus the fallible nature of these types of decisions.

 

Italian press report that says CDF has reached a negative judgement on Medjugorje is challenged by Radio Maria…

A report circulating on the internet today suggests that the CDF has reached a negative decision on Medjugorje.
The story is attributed to Italian journalist Gianluca Barile and claims that decisions were reached at a CDF Plenary meeting held yesterday, June 24.
However, it appears that the report is flawed.
Radio Maria has since announced that there wasn’t a Plenary meeting yesterday of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to discuss matters Medjugorje.
It posted on Twitter: “The Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith held no Plenary on #Medjugorje. Sleep peacefully. Our Lady watches…

This is what I had heard from someone yesterday.....that the Pope had asked for the CDF to make a decision after studying the commission's report over a month ago. Muller just kept delaying....some say in order to create more speculation of negativity towards Medj and influence people in that direction. Remember, he had already, without looking at the commission's study, tried to influence bishops re: not permitting visionaries to hold sessions within dioceses so many have been canceled suddenly. Yesterday was supposed to be the deadline for such a meeting to make a decision but I was told that Muller had some excuse not to hold such.