Medjugorje

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !! At Last. Joy.

 

Let US Pray that Medjugorie is pronounced authentic and worthy of belief but .... if not ... Don't be discouraged, "shake the dust off your sandals" and Press-On in FAITH and HOPE!
GOD GIVE DISCERNMENT TO ALL HERE!!

 

Having read Pope Francis' remarks, I think it's very difficult to foresee anything but a positive ruling.
Fantastic!

Fingers crossed. (And toes)

 

anything is possible and I pray for a postitive outcome. We shall see...

 

I'm copying here the video of the brief onflight press conference where Pope Francis answers a question about the status of Medjugorje. The website quoted above which reports on the exchange updated its information to mention that Fr Lombardi had later clarified to the reporter that the Pope's response did not mean any decision would be 'very fast'.

Now it is clear that Pope Francis doesn't need to wait for the 'discernment' of Cardinal Muller to know whether Medjugorje is true or false. But he is clearly going to avoid coming out with his own opinions (imitating Pope John Paul II before him) and will leave it to the CDF to come up with whatever guidelines it feels appropriate. I have no doubt whatever that Pope Francis is very supportive of Medjugorje.

 

Perhaps I am being simplistic, but if I thought something was right, I would say it was right.

If I thought it was wrong I would say it was wrong.

Isaiah 5:20

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

 

Yes, Padraig, I sympathize with that point of view.... but we are not the Pope with all his responsibilities. We have to remember that there are big sections of the Catholic world that would be shocked to be told the Medjugorje is authentic. Pope Francis will not want to cause unnecessary upset. Followers of Medjugorje do not need a positive decision from Rome. They might like one but they do not need it. Medjugorje and its fruits speaks for itself.

 

I am inclined to think David that the truth always speaks for itself and always makes its own home in the hearts of men.

I love that old saying , 'Keep it simple'. The devil does contortions, I don't think we should.

It was because of the contortions of human wisdom and shrewdness that the Third Secret of Fatima was not released when it was supposed to be and the Consecration of Russia did not take place, human wisdom tends to slam the door in the face of the Mother of God at her every appearance.


Isaiah 5:20

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!


Call good, good and evil, evil. It boils down simply to this.

 

I may well be wrong about the Vatican in many ways, for what do I know.

But for me the truth and life itself is not complicated, that we should do good and refrain from doing evil.

I am uncomfortable of the kind of gray, cloudy, who knows kind of world many of these super smart people walk in.

Its not a world I would like to live in, for all their second guessing.

 

Another viewpoint:

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/150601

In recent weeks, a source informed me that the Vatican commission has concluded that the reported apparitions are not supernatural in origin, "but because of the publicity surrounding [them] and the potential chaos that could result from the announcement, the authorities in Rome are sitting on it for now."

I asked veteran Catholic journalist John L. Allen Jr., associate editor at The Boston Globe andCrux, if he could verify what I was told by my source.

Mr. Allen responded:

"What you describe has actually been the case for a while, reaching back at least to the time when [Cardinal Tarcisio] Bertone was in the [Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith]. The dilemma is wanting to back up the local bishops versus not wanting to impugn the legitimate spiritual fruits."​

 

Yes, and of course that is the problem when things are left 'open' shall we say. Those who do not want to believe in Medjugorje will be able to continue in their unbelief. But God is wanting hearts to respond to Our Lady's presence in Medjugorje. He doesn't want people to 'believe' just because the Vatican says so.

 

The youngest of the Medjugorje seers was what, eight years old, at the beginning of the apparitions?. He would spend hours in Church, where the apparitions began, waiting and praying. He's around 40 now. Still believing and praying. How could anything but a supernatural event tear him away from games and TV and football and instead make him choose a Church and prayer, a choice that persists to this day?
It's the case of this little boy that made me seriously look at Medjugorje.
If it's a fraud, then it's an Oscar winning, marathon fraud.
I don't buy it. Reason alone tells me this isn't a fraud.

 

face-palm (repeatedly)

 

Thinking there might be problems with Medjugorje does not indicate a lack of the virtue of Faith.

If the Vatican states nothing supernatural is occurring there will you obey Pope Francis and abide by their determination? That would require both Faith and obedience, the latter being something the whole Medjugorje phenomenon has lacked from the start.

Does God bring good even out of evil? Certainly. The fruits of Medjugorje might be the best illustration of that principle of the modern era. But it does not prove a supernatural origin of this phenomenon.

 

I would be extremely surprised (delighted, but surprised) were the Vatican to give formal approval to Medjugorje given that the phenomena are ongoing, unless they adopted a formula similar to that used by Bishop Gritti with regard to Itapiranga, where a certain delimited phase (1994-1998) was approved. I say this on purely logical grounds, as there is no way that apparitions as yet unfinished can be granted approval without giving a 'blank chèque', as Cardinal Schönborn himself has acknowledged. What is important is that there should not be a constat de non supernaturaliter verdict which would effectively shut everything down (I still haven't worked out exactly why Cardinal Müller has taken the course of action that he has over the course of the last few months with respect to the Medjugorje visionaries) and leave much other private revelation predicated on Medj's authenticity in a state of disarray. In any case, whatever the Vatican decision, it is ultimately the unfolding of world events that will vindicate Medjugorje or not, as with Garabandal.

 

My Mother and Father never believed in Medugorje and I never faulted them for it.

But as far as these Cardinals in the Vatican are concerned , those who have the full facts at their disposal.

Well, all I can say is I smell a rat. I suspect bad faith.

Of course as an obedient loyal Catholic I will go along with whatever...but I certainly smell a rat.

 

If folks haven't read it yet, take a few moments to meditate on the latest post in the 'Approved Apparitions in the Amazon' thread, which deals precisely with this question...

 

There are very few Medjugorje proponents that have the full facts that the Vatican commission had. If they did they would be far more circumspect and far less likely to criticize the Vatican officials tasked with sorting out this mess.

 

Yes I must do the Five First Saturdays.

It may be God the Father is going to come along and kick the front doors in.

 

I find the thought of Vatican silencing Medjugorje, quite exciting in a way. Because it would open up a huge debate on the REALITY of extra terrestrial beings and the like. The reason being hundreds of thousands of people have seen the sun spinning, pulsating, dimming so it could be looked at. And many other manifestations that could not have been produced by humans.
I did not see this phenomenon myself but do believe others who say they have seen the sun spin etc.

Would we have to ask is the Vatican giving satan credit for such phenomenon. Or is the Vatican inviting us to believe there are extra terrestrials out there.

A negative from the Vatican would give us an amazing topic to explore.

And give the critics a run for their money explaining the visible phenomenon even seen on video.