Glenn, here is Fr. Amorth in video re: the desired "solemn consecration of Russia with all the bishops of the world" Pope JPII's "quite timid attempt to consecrate Russia": I know of someone else who also references what happened as well to the King of France when he also refused to consecrate France long ago!!
It's also nice to see that others here have proven that it is impossible to avoid politics, occurring now, when speaking of the consecration of Russia and, today, the leader of THAT specified country's leader, Mr. Putin!!
Here you go Glenn. I'm sure if you take your time you can verify that Father Amorth is really saying what the English translation is saying. Go to mark 6:20 and listen carefully to father Amorth. It will be hard to hear him .....but read his lips a bit and replay the 6:20 marks over and over and you will be able to verify. I have wanted someone to do this for a few years. I like to be sure. But I think it's true. Thanks Glenn for taking the time to do this. Your AWESOME!!!! .
I have come to the conclusion that we really don't know what prophecy means except in hindsight. Faithful catholics on both sides. Charlie Johnston is right, have faith and do the next right thing. Keep it simple stupid.
heard a show last week the little flower used to say when you have doubts to turn to Jesus and say I trust, help my Trust
love this! I have been saying this a lot lately: Jesus, my Lord, my God and my Love; have mercy on me a sinner. Teach me to trust, have faith and to love better today than I did before.
Picadillo, I know what you mean and I came to fully understand what 'don't worry' means a couple years back when my second oldest daughter got married outside the faith. At first I beat myself up for failing Then it came to me that I had done everything I could on giving her the fullness of the faith, but wished I had heard St Monica's famous quote years earlier where she said, "speak less to your children about God and more to God about your children". Had I put more empasis on prayer and trust in God then in myself to safegaurd the soul of my loved ones, perhaps I would have helped keep her within the faith. So I now know not to worry but pray, trust and don't worry.....God is in control and only needs our FIAT and prayers and let him do the rest. It is vainful to think we love our children more than God does.
I also think that, despite how hard this is to admit, say and truly understand, our children do not belong to us, they are God's. You never know....God could call you tomorrow and ask you to place your child on the alter to be sacrificed, as He did Abraham. Our full trust and faith has to be given to Him, no questions asked. I for one am not saying that I could ever do that, but that is the goal for all of us. We must place everything in His hands and only then can we not worry. That truly is a hard mountain to climb and summit to reach, but with great trust, faith and prayer along the way, we will all reach that summit.
"Putin is following a blueprint that dates back to Philip of Macedon"-Victor Davis Hanson http://www.nationalreview.com/article/415835/putin-way-victor-davis-hanson GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
This just in http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2050. INTERESTING WEBSITE TOO? LOTS OF INFO
CHAPTER XI THE FALSIFICATION OF SISTER LUCY’S TESTIMONY http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/fatima4/ch11.htm SISTER LUCY’S VIEW OF THE ACT OF MARCH 25, 1984 Even before Pope John Paul II had pronounced in Rome his act of offering of the world, Sister Lucy had said what she thought of it. For, on March 22, 1984, she had read the letter which the Pope had addressed to all the bishops of the world, as well as the text of the consecration. On that day she declared to Eugénia Pestana, «This consecration cannot have a decisive character.8» Furthermore, there exists a video recording that clearly shows that the act of March 25, 1984 disappointed and frustrated Sister Lucy. The video film The shepherd children of Fatima and their mission, distributed by Father Kondor, contains several shots of the seer during a small ceremony that took place in the garden of the Coimbra Carmel in April 1984. Now, when Sister Lucy heard Father Kondor read and explain the act of offering of the world, the expression on her face suddenly changed. Quite evidently her private disappointment was very great. She was unable to hide it. Sister Lucy became sub-prioress of her community in 1986. At that time the Carmelites of Coimbra had sufficient daring to state that the consecration of Russia had not been carried out as per the conditions specified by Our Lady. The extern sisters would murmur this to pilgrims who questioned them on the subject. Let us quote the testimony of our friend Bernard Velut: «It was on August 15, 1988, around 3 o’clock in the afternoon. I asked the extern sister whether she saw ever Sister Lucy. She smiled and answered yes. I then told her that we were from France, that we had of course come to pray for the intentions of our family but also that the Pope might fulfil Our Lady’s request, namely the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart. I was insistent: “For this consecration has not been done has it, Sister?” Her face turned grave and sad, and she answered no, immediately adding, “We must pray, we must pray a great deal.”9» Likewise, members of Lucy’s family living in Fatima knew and declared that the consecration of Russia had not yet been carried out10. In September 1986, the Abbé Caillon continued his enquiry in Portugal the better to assure himself that he really knew and understood Sister Lucy’s thinking. On September 12, he visited Mrs. Pestana in Porto. When he questioned her about the consecration of Russia, this old friend of the seer’s stood up and, rapping out her words, declared, «If you want, I can swear it to you with my hand on the Gospel: The consecration of Russia has not been done…11» A few days afterwards, at a symposium on Fatima, the Abbé Laurentin and Father Fernandez were unable to ignore the Abbé Caillon’s investigations. During their presentations, they referred to the latter several times, thereby objectively reporting, at least in part, the holy Carmelite’s declarations. Father Fernandez conceded that «according to Sister Lucy, neither the Pope, nor the bishops and Christians in general [?], have done what the Virgin had asked to obtain the conversion of Russia and the peace of the world: to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart and to spread the practice of the Communion of Reparation of the Five First Saturdays»12. On Thursday, September 18, in the middle of the symposium, the Abbé Laurentin dined with a niece of the seer’s, Maria do Fetal Neves Rosa. During the meal, she constantly repeated to him, «The consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart has not yet been accomplished. I can confirm this to you because Sister Lucy says the same to everyone.» Maria do Fetal explained: «To respond to Our Lady’s request, one must not disguise under a jumble of diplomatic precautions the fact that it concerns the consecration of Russia and of Russia alone. When we baptise a child, we call him by his name. One day Russia will plainly have to appear as the unique object of the consecration.13» On September 22, 1986, the day after the symposium, the Abbé Laurentin was received in Rome by John Paul II in a private audience which lasted an hour. He would soon be reporting in his writings that «dialogue has continued to be difficult between Lucy and the last six popes. The seer seems to think that the consecration has “still not been done” as the Virgin would like.» And he went on to admit that between her and John Paul II «there remains some tension»14. 15» John Paul II had decided that Sister Lucy’s voice should no longer be heard beyond the grilles of her Carmel. In 1986, the directors of the Argentinian Secular Institute dedicated to “Our Lady of Fatima”, Maria del Pilar Banares and Mercedes Rivara, had still managed to obtain all the permissions necessary to meet Sister Lucy. But in October 1989, the Holy See refused to renew these permissions, and, as Mercedes Rivara stated, «without informing us of the reason, be it only to tell us that reasons are no longer given.16» In 1987, to celebrate her eightieth birthday, the seer received her whole family in the parlour, not on March 22 which fell in the middle of Lent, but on Easter Saturday, April 25. «Among the many people there, several put questions, but Sister Lucy was careful not to reply. Then came the turn of a certain cousin living in Fatima, a married woman, the mother of a family, but above all a lady who knew what kind of questions to ask and in what terms to phrase them. This cousin wanted to hear from Sister Lucy’s own lips whether the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart had truly been done, in keeping with Our Lady’s instructions. The reply could not have been plainer; it came suddenly, like a cannon ball: “No!” The cousin added: “It seems, does it not, that the Holy Father believes that it has been done?” Whereupon Lucy replied neither yes nor no. She kept silent out of respect for the Holy Father.17» Sister Lucy held her peace, lowering her head. Our Lady’s messenger had a further opportunity, in 1989, of confiding to a cardinal her thoughts about the act of March 25, 1984. For, in May 1989, Cardinal Law, Archbishop of Boston, who had come to Portugal to preside over the liturgical ceremonies of the international pilgrimage, visited the Coimbra Carmel. When he spoke to the seer about the consecration of Russia, she eventually declared to him, «The Holy Father considers that it was done as well as it could have been in the circumstances. Done in the strict manner of the collegial consecration that Our Lady requested and desired? No, that was not done», she concluded18.
What we can be sure of, and its pretty simple to discern is, if Sr Lucia agreed with the powers that be ,she would have been paraded around ,interviewed and we would be left with no uncertainty that the consecration was done. Instead she was locked up and silenced. Even with her death ,they were so afraid ,her room had to be locked and sealed. Its the saddest Joke in the history of our times.
I shall be very interested in reading this article but there is no indication who was the author. I am going to assume it will have been written by the owner of the catholicvoice domain, Timothy Johnson. I don't know anything about him except I have found the following item about the organisation: http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Voice
I totally agree that Russia has not been properly mentioned in the consecration and too many apparitions of the BVM mention the abomination of desolation, "when communism comes again."
