Putin, well intended or not ?

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Elisa, Mar 24, 2014.

  1. concernedforusa

    concernedforusa New Member

    To Elisa

    You wrote:
    Thank you for your blessings and for your appreciation of my translation of the video. That is why I am here: to learn from the people in this forum and to share with them what I know.



    You wrote about Yulia Timoshenko’s desire to “nuke” the Russian people who are citizens of Ukraine:

    Besides the expressed desire to “nuke” the citizens of Ukraine who happened to be ethnic Russians, Yulia Timoshenko also used a very disparaging slur towards them. She called the citizens of her own country, who happened to be Russians, as “katsaps”. This is a very demeaning and disparaging slur which some Ukrainians use towards the Russians to express their own “racial” superiority and the “racial” inferiority of the Russians. For that slur alone, Yulia Timoshenko must be condemned by all honest people disregarding of their ethnicity.



    You wrote:
    No one person (at least, as far as I know) in Ukraine or in Russia doubts that Putin is a Christian. No one perceives like he is “acting” in the video.



    You wrote:
    This was precisely my point. If God changed Paul, there is no reason to doubt that God can change anybody! Why should anybody deny Putin, at least, the benefit of the doubt?



    You wrote:
    I think that we all should pray to God and ask God to give His guidance to Putin. Then, we will have no reason to fear a Christian who is guided by God.


    God Bless!

    concernedforusa
     
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  2. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    Thank you for comments "concernedforusa" which I very much appreciate not because you agree with almost everything I said :rolleyes: but because you must do know a lot of Ukraine and Russia speaking both languages (and French ?). I suppose you live now in the USA. May I ask for your nationality ? Did you live in Ukraine and/or Russia ? If you do not know want to answer all those questions, that is no problem of course.
     
  3. concernedforusa

    concernedforusa New Member

    To Jerry:

    You wrote:
    We know that Putin worked for 16 years as an officer in KGB. He never was a “head” of KGB, as some people in this forum insist. He was raised to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel before he quit working there and entered the politics. There is no information that Putin was personally involved in some persecutions of people. So, there is no ground to say that Putin has “blood on his hands”, as some people in this forum claim.

    There is no information about Putin’s beliefs before he entered politics and became well-known. We only have Putin’s own words regarding to his own beliefs. I do not see any ground to doubt what Putin said about his Christian faith. No one brought forward any information contradicting Putin’s words. So, I think that, in this case, Putin is “innocent until proven guilty”.


    You wrote:
    I left Ukraine for the USA about 24 years ago. But, I have a constant contacts with my relatives who still live in Ukraine. They told me that, at the time when I left Ukraine, the Russian Orthodox Church started a fervent activity in Russia and in Ukraine. The priests of the Russian Orthodox Church were preset everywhere: in hospitals, in orphanages, in schools, etc. The most important, they were constantly present on the TV and radio programs in both Ukraine and Russia. Special TV and radio programs were dedicated to the spiritual messages of the Russian Orthodox Church. They educated people starting from ground zero, because the majority of people in Ukraine and in Russia were ignorant regarding to the basics of the Christian faith. Millions of pamphlets and books were printed by the Church and distributed to people.

    Simultaneously, thousands and thousands of magnificent churches and cathedrals were risen from ashes in both Ukraine and Russia. People filled those churches and cathedrals. Sometimes, there are so many people, that the priests are forced to perform church services outside churches in the surrounding squares.

    The results were immediate and stunning. People pray and sing Church hymns not from some notes, but from their memories, by heart. I cannot stop weeping when I see video clips from Ukraine and Russia. The impossible has happened, the true miracle of God has happened! God praying, God praising and God fearing people were raised from ashes!


    God Bless!

    concernedforusa
     
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  4. concernedforusa

    concernedforusa New Member

    To Elisa:

    You wrote:
    I speak only Ukrainian, Russian and English languages. I do not speak French. I was able to translate the French video only because Putin was speaking in Russian there. I understand the Russian language, but I could not read the French translations (and I did not have to).

    The vast majority of people of Ukraine speak the Ukrainian AND the Russian languages. People of the Eastern Ukraine use mostly the Russian language in their everyday activities.

    I was born in the southern part of the Eastern Ukraine. My mother was the ethnic Ukrainian and my father was the ethnic Russian. I lived the majority of my life in Ukraine, when it still was a part of the former Soviet Union. I left Ukraine for the USA in December 1991, just before the dissolution of the former Soviet Union. Since that time, I have been living in the USA as the USA citizen. I feel myself the USA citizen, and I am concerned mostly for the USA. Nevertheless, I know my original roots and I will never dismiss them. Any person can also be identified by his or her original roots.

    If you ask me who I think I am: do I feel myself as a Ukrainian person or do I feel that I am a Russian person (besides being the USA citizen)? I would say that I feel myself as both, but with more weigh to my Ukrainian side. All my relatives and good acquaintances live in Ukraine and not in Russia. I am for a total independence of Ukraine and for the national identity of the Ukrainian people. I love my Ukrainian culture and language, I am soaked in them. But, at the same time, I love the Russian culture and the Russian language. I am like a person standing with my right foot in Ukraine, and with my left foot in Russia. But, the majority of the weight of my body rests on my right foot.


    It is confusing even for me, but I tried to explain myself to the best of my abilities.


    God Bless!

    concernedforusa
     
  5. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    here

    I think we all know these are the "end times" and the prophecies about Russia. However, I know from my catechism that I can not judge people's intentions, actions yes. I have lived in the US for 55 years. I have worked in finance for 33 of those years and I can say with confidence that the western banking system is perhaps the biggest evil on the planet. Next, I would like any one on this forum to name one leader in the west who is not "anti-Christ", meaning against Him. Now in England they incinerate aborted babies to" warm " the hospitals.

    What do I know about Putin. I am not placing my hope in him however what is coming out of his mouth is better than anything in the west.

    About prophesy, it is just that. Fr Gobbi said the triumph was going to take place by the year 2000 and most on here seem to believe in him. I have heard the word "soon" so many times it has lost its meaning to me. The Blessed Mother and Jesus has told us prayer can change events and even "move mountains." Who here believes this? Three saintly popes have consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, judging from the feedback here it does not matter one bit.

    Finally, I personally believe I am more likely to be martyred, if it's God's will, by my own president/politicians who have have received support from catholic prelates these last few decades, just like the Syrian Christians getting tortured/killed by "freedom fighters" supported by the zionist west (I thought we were at war with al quaeda not supporting them), you know those "evil-doers". Get ready USA for a Cinton/Bush 2016 presidential race, like we even had a chance!
     
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  6. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Agree wholeheartedly about the banking system.

    Be interested in your opinion about why and when the banking system became so corrupt/evil?
     
  7. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

  8. Frodo

    Frodo Guest

    I don't know picadillo, to me it is more like the Soviets and Germans going to war during WW2. I get the feeling that this won't be a good thing at all.
     
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  9. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Frodo,

    You are probably correct in your assessment. I was specifically speaking to Russia as it seems they have been thrown out of the New World Order which is definitely run by satanists.
     
  10. SteveD

    SteveD Guest

    Stalin and Hitler hated each other, and they both hated Catholicism. You see there isn't always a good guy in a conflict and you haven't found one in the fascist Putin merely because his opponents don't wear white hats.

    The pretence that Putin is the protector of Christian values is laughable - he is a murderer and a thief - how can he be protecting any values at all? Like many bad guys in the middle east who embrace Islam for political reasons, Putin's Christianity is 'career deep'. For goodness' sake, we know that the Russian and Crimean press are muzzled. You guys have access to a relatively free press but choose to listen to the heavily censored and propagandized Russian media. One because he is Orthodox and one because he believes that we are living in the promised 'era of peace' (whaaaat?)
     
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  11. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Steve,

    1. I am not hanging my hat on Putin, but he sure does sound a lot better yhan any western leader.

    2.I guess you haven't noticed all the censoring going on here in the US, no freedom of press here as it is all owned by the banksters.

    3. Please name one wetern leader who at least talks like Puyin.
     
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  12. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

    "However, I know from my catechism that I can not judge people's intentions, actions yes. I have lived in the US for 55 years. I have worked in finance for 33 of those years and I can say with confidence that the western banking system is perhaps the biggest evil on the planet"

    picadillo, do you feel Putin's actions to literally kill anyone in his state run media, today, who speaks out against him are good actions or action that resemble what he did as head of KGB for years? Why would anyone give him a pass on this? Just because he buddy's up with some of the clergy of the ROC >or wears a cross> or shows himself in staged church events? Do you really feel that the 'western banking system' is a greater 'evil on the planet' than say abortion? There are many corrupt bankers and power mongers, but this is not as evil as pedophile priests/bishops or many other evils I could name.
     
  13. picadillo

    picadillo Guest


    Who do you think is the driving force behind abortion on demand and universal gay marriage? One hint, it isn't Russia. Follow the money.
     
  14. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

    What is driving the abortion mill is Satan and his evil puppets. His puppets are not just the rich and corrupt as you contend, they are also the powerful, the politicians, the liberal media aided in the US by Holywood and other mainstream accomplices to the Evil One. One can not leave out the Mason's whom much prophecy speaks of as well. All sin, including our sins and yes the sins of Russia cause evil. I know you would have loved it if Our Lady of Fatima had said that the Pope needed to consecrate the corrupt money mongers to the Immaculate Heart of Mary to usher in peace, but history is not on your side on this. It was Russia specifically that she admonished the pope to name.
     
  15. concernedforusa

    concernedforusa New Member

  16. PotatoSack

    PotatoSack Powers

    I believe Putin is a wolf in sheep's clothing...as all world leaders are right now. I believe he will be showing his true colors soon.
     
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  17. miker

    miker Powers

  18. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Everything/one that you mentioned is controlled by the banksters, and yes, maybe even Putin.
     
  19. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

    picadillo, money is necessary for good, as well as used for evil. You cannot place money as the object of all evil. It may help propel evil in the direction of some, but likewise money has provided for goods for the poor and needy as well at the hands of generous people and generous countries. Money can and does corrupt, but it is an essential commodity for life. I don't buy your premise that all evil in the world is due to the misuse of money. Greed is just one of the 7 capital sins. Pride is the greatest of them and that is where Satan and his puppets demise comes from. "I will not serve" is where it all began and it continues to cause the rebellion within the world today.
     
  20. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    God bless you for sharing all that with us ! You "only" speak Ukrainian, Russian and English, well that is a lot ! You know what I think: you do not have to be confused at all. You are simply a child of God that loves all cultures and all languages as a real child of God must do. I myself I grew up in The Netherlands, but my mother is from Belgium and my father from the Netherlands. I moved to Belgium after my studies to work there and since 25 years I live in Belgium. People here are able to create a war because one side of Belgium is french speaking and the other side is Flemish speaking. Whenever they can, people in the world are trying to distinguish themselves from another group ignoring that the devil is behind all that. God is suffering a lot seeing all this....

    To all of you: we recognize the tree by his fruits.... The fruits of the politicians/governments in Europe are no good. For the moment in Russia the fruits are good. So let's wait what future will bring. I do not know the heart of Putin, none of us does. But I know also what Jesus said to Vassula Reyden: Russia will be the country where God will be the most honored. Perhaps this will happen when the Pope does the consecration by mentioning finally the name of Russia ? I also think we (me included) should not speak as if we know the future because of certain propheties. I think a lot still depends on our prayer and fastening, if not, why are we praying and fastening for ?
     

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