Actually, what he said was that even if he were invalidly elected that he could still become a valid Pope provided that ..... you can hear his own words starting at about 2:15 to 4:30. He quotes St. Alphonsus Liguori, St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Pope Gregory XVI ...
I do remember. I agree. That might have contributed to the fact that the second part is not approved.
For those who are saying listen to Bishop Strickland... He acknowledges Pope Leo as being Pope in this video. He reassures us that Jesus promised us that He would be with us until the end THROUGH HIS CHURCH. So yes, listen to Bishop Strickland!
If us laity get to decide who is or isn’t Pope doesn’t that technically mean sedevacantism could be true? Or who’s to say that maybe the papacy broke in the 1000s as some are now claiming? This line of thinking is a slippery slope!
I believe this was what Pádraig was referring to - at least the text of what Anthony Stine read out was referring to the content of this video. https://rumble.com/v6tql33-the-time-for-compromise-is-over-bishop-strickland.html Bishop Strickland gave a very strong Pro-life message here but he did not mention Pope Leo at all. As he has already embraced Pope Leo, despite Cardinal Prevost having presided over his own dismissal, I do believe that Bishop Strickland is calling out to all who will listen, including Pope Leo, in filial and outspoken love for the Holy Father. I do think that there is a fundamental isssue underlying this rift on the forum - a theological one. Pádraig believes that people do bad things because they are evil. If you believe this, then it becomes easy to believe that a Pope or a Bishop is evil. I do not believe that that is the case. While I may not be articulating this very well, it is widely accepted in the Church that we love the sinner, hate the sin. Every Saint was once a sinner. Yes, there are those who are perfectly possesed but it is hard for me to believe that any Pope or Bishop is one of those, however misguided they may have become. But it is all a great mystery, as we have Jesus' words that the way to destruction is wide and many are on it, while the gate to salvation is narrow and few there are who go in thereat.
FRom the above article: The Calm Before the Collapse This is not peace. It is the prelude to extinction. Leo’s Vatican is a regime of optical calm masking spiritual chaos. The poison is no longer administered with a grimace, but with a grin. That makes it more dangerous, not less. Francis was the warning. Leo is the trap. If you wait until every last vestige of tradition is gone, your voice won’t matter. You will be dismissed as a relic. A curiosity. A holdout from a time the Church is working very hard to forget. The time to speak is now. Loudly. Publicly. Sharply. The world does not need another cautious trad whispering complaints in private forums. It needs a thousand Lefebvres. And it needs them now. I was reprimanded this weekend by a friend who works for our diocese and says no one ever says anything critical of the pope. I said I wouldn't either if I worked there. She said ' Oh no, they just would not think of EVER criticizing a pope even in private .' Her statements are the norm for Catholics IMO. Catholics think that holiness is synonymous with never saying anything negative about anyone most especially the pope. I think, though, that failing to learn the truth when it's so readily available at our fingertips and failing to speak up to help others come to the truth are sins of omission: I confess to almighty God and to you my brothers and sister that I have gravely sinned. In my thoughts and in my words. In what I have done AND WHAT I HAVE FAILED TO DO. My ongoing example are the poison jabs. How many warned others that it was a really bad idea? It's so much easier to claim that all these issues are above our pay grade, and it's all just personal opinion, you know.
I warned everyone I knew about the jabs. And any time a statement came out from Pope Francis that seemed hazy or contrary to Truth, I made sure to help everyone in my circle understand the truth. I'm willing to bet most people on this forum did those things. The issue here is not cowardice vs. bravery. The issue is condemning an entire person, and more shockingly than that, our Holy Father that God placed over His Church, vs. correcting individual untruths prudently while still loving and reverencing our Holy Father. Also, I'm not particularly worried about my voice as a traditional Catholic not mattering. I truly don't mind being a "relic." As Catholics, we don't care what the world thinks of us. We do what's right, and trust God to the rest.
I’m just confused. I come from parents and grandparents who were ousted from their country because of communism. They watched their family and friends arrested or killed because they would not give up their Catholic religion. Many in America come from backgrounds of tyranny and violence against our Church. Those who have experienced that are more aware of the evil one’s agenda. They have infiltrated in our own Church and government. Malachi Martin and even Fulton Sheen were quite aware of it. And thankfully stood up courageously against it by making sure Catholics were prepared here in America, and in the rest of the world to understand that communism is real. Sheen and Martin weren’t criticizing Jesus, they were truthful about the problems that exist in our Church. It’s the reality we have to face today, whether it’s painful, it must be dealt with. The Apostasy also means the unveiling. It’s high time we finally say ENOUGH! We can’t close our eyes to the atrocities because we are afraid of a schism. We are already beyond schism. And that’s the awful truth. Waking up and taking a stand is what we should do. We need to stand behind our brave clergy. That’s what the little remnant Our Lady spoke about is supposed to do.
I don’t understand you. Nobody is condemning an entire person here. We are condemning the path the Church is heading towards because of a progressive agenda. We can’t close our eyes to the fact that the latest appointments by Pope Leo XXIII are scary.
When you (not you, specifically) call a person pure evil, you've condemned them as a person. I do want to add that I don't like Pope Leo's pick as head of the Pontifical Academy, and share your concerns about the direction many in the Church have taken. It's hard to really describe here on a forum the anguish I've felt through so much of Pope Francis' pontificate and the wrestling I've had to do with God. He has been so patient and gracious with me, holding my hand as I've struggled. I believe we've all been going through this. What I'm trying to do here is steer the discussion away from harsh condemnation and detraction that leads souls toward pride, fear, distrust, and a lack of respect toward our Holy Father, because, well... I'm the oldest sister in my family...a family that one by one fell away from the Faith by the time I was in my 20's, including both of my parents, and I've spent most of my life trying to help each and every one of them come back to God and the Truth (and every one of them has come back, praise God). That took a lot of tears and prayers and discussions where I had to be so careful and pray before every word...So I'm used to approaching everything in this way....Trying to instill hope, belief in God's love and providence, teaching truth and virtue while trying to constantly swallow my own pride and hot temper... Thinking of all souls as I did my own family, whom I love so much and want to see in Heaven. So maybe I approach these issues like a big sister, trying to protect people's faith and encourage them. I dont feel those things from public accusers of the Pope. I hear anger, pride, fear, belief that evil people are running everything...and I've seen what it's done to simpler souls whose faith crumples under this undermining of their trust that God is the One in charge of His Church.
What the progressive agenda is about is pure evil. Those who follow that agenda are not doing God’s work, but the devils. Not calling out that person for not doing what’s right is evil.
“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”
Again, two principles to keep at the front of your mind in assessing anyone, and even more, this new pope: 1) Personnel is policy. This recent appointment isn’t just some kind of let down or minor annoyance. This is chastisement level bad. 2) Don’t listen to what they say, watch what they DO. The “nun” he elevated to head that dicastery fills all the boxes for the new church agenda. This appointment to replace Paglia is an out and out heretic who wants to reverse Humanae Vitae. These aren’t little quibbles among good Catholics. This is evil. And it’s being carried out by Pope Leo, no one else. The traditional clothes and liturgical garments, the Latin and the traditional singing, these may be very finely tuned gestures thrown out to assure Joe six pack in the pews so he concludes Leo is “one of us,” so we let down our guard. Initial “things he does” indicate he ain’t one of us. My jury is still out but I remain cautiously pessimistic.
Thanks for the clarification. Stine says that that part of the message, endorsed by Malachi Martin and a father Hesse and other scholars was clearly, unequivocally stated by Melanie but was suppressed later on possibly during the reign of Leo 13 maybe because the idea of “two worm ridden popes” was very disturbing. The discussion begins at 11:00.
