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Yes, Padraig. What you described is what St. Paul discusses in 2 Thessalonians 2:

3 Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, 4 Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. 5 Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, 9 Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, 10 And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:

[10] "God shall send": That is God shall suffer them to be deceived by lying wonders, and false miracles, in punishment of their not entertaining the love of truth.

11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. 12 But we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved of God, for that God hath chosen you firstfruits unto salvation, in sanctification of the spirit, and faith of the truth: 13 Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.​

The part bolded above is a note in the Douay-Rheims bible referring to verse 10. Those who internally accept that Bergoglio is misleading people and refuse to oppose him publicly, but instead continue to call him "the Holy Father," are "consenting to iniquity." Because they "consent" to Bergoglio's iniquity rather than speak "the Truth" they will suffer a darkening of their intellect. This is the punishment for not loving "the truth," the Logos, the Word, aka Jesus Christ.

 

So well said. Just the way I feel as well. I pray for him with every Rosary. And on and off during the day. Beyond that I try not to think about him lest I am tempted to let go of filial obligation. I have brought this concern to Adoration and I just keep getting the message "pray pray pray".

 

Look at this awful, awful, biased reporting from the BBC... Why are they supporting/reporting Pope Francis angle only? What is going on....

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67390366

 

Actually there have been several times in history when the seat was vacant--wars being a big reason preventing a conclave. Malachi Martin addresses this as I remember.

 

What a perfect answer.

 

I sometimes have a thought that there is always seems to be a good reason for doing a bad thing and a bad reason for doing what seems to be a good one.

This is no time for shrinking violets or cowards. What some people term prudence is simply another name for hiding behind a rock and hoping no one takes a pot shot at you and waiting for the battle to be over; hoping for the best.

This is the time which Our Blessed Lady has spoken off in prophecy; the apparent Triumph of Satan. When at this exact moment Our Lady will break the back of Satan.

All the same when the accounts of these days are written and someone asked me what I did and said at this moment I won't have to admit I hid behind a rock, hoping for the best.

That at least I had the cojones to sound the Shofar.

 

Captured operation. Just like the Vatican.

 

All the tribes of Satan are in it up to their necks together.

 

Its a cagey way of talking out of both sides of the mouth. That's why you watch what is done more than what is said. At least thats how I've worked it out.

 

All will become clear in the end, even to the blind. But too late for many.

But I think the smoke of battle is clearing.

 

I have nothing to loose unlike priests, Bishops and Cardinals. I don't work or receive money from the Church. I don't get money from this website, it is perfectly free. If everyone were to leave it that would be fine. So it doesn't take any courage for me to tell it like it is.

In fact I rather enjoy doing it to tell you the truth. When few others will.

Must be the Irish in me.

It reminds me of the story of the Emperors new clothes.

 

That's a different situation though... Everyone knowing a pope hasn't been able to be elected yet is very different from there being a visible, single, universally-accepted pope that some people are trying to say isn't pope because he's a bad one.

God has allowed many bad leaders in the past as punishment. So it's not a new concept at all, that there could be a bad pope, as long as he is not officially teaching heresy as being bound by Faith to be believed.

We do have precedent, however, of people leaving the Head of the Church for various reasons, and one cannot separate oneself from the head without being a severed body. It is a very dangerous place to be in.

My own father is a non-practicing Catholic with some heretical views. He left my mother and allowed his children to be thrown to the wolves when we were young, with terrible consequences for some of us. But I cannot say, "A good father would never do that; therefore he isn't my father." No, he's still my father. And my duty is to pray and sacrifice for him until he is gone, hopefully converted. I just see that as a much better course of action than just writing my father or the pope off and saying, eh, I wash my hands of him. I disown him. He's no concern of mine.

 

So if he is officially and formally pushing heresy that is a big no, no.

But if he he is pushing it as hard as ever he can behind the scenes it's fine.

This is exactly the way Satan would wish him to do things.

Your logic escapes me.

 

You're not telling the truth. You're telling your opinion. You seem to enjoy a good fight so I'll stand up to you. If there's nothing for you to lose in declaring Pope Francis to not be pope, then you are not the brave one, and people who differ from you in opinion are not cowards, as you like to call them. It is easy to say he's not pope so you don't have to be respectful or humble yourself in prayer and sacrifice for someone you really don't like. It's actually rather convenient.

He may or may not be pope, and we will be told eventually by someone qualified to tell us. How someone declares that he has been in the 7th mansion of prayer (a state that the saints say you never leave and means you no longer sin) for years, and supposedly regularly communes with God and the saints, can only a few months ago kick people off his forum for saying the pope isn't pope because no one can say that....and then turn around and say it himself now while declaring all who disagree with him are in spiritual danger, is beyond me. If you didn't know the truth then, you probably don't know the truth now.

 

OK . Then

I am not turning this into some kind of slagging match of insults.

I'll leave it there.

We'll agree to disagree..you need to believe he is Pope because you'd be lost and totally confused without this belief, go ahead and do so. I'm not stopping you from doing so. Its obvious you are getting emotional. So long as you're happy with it, carry on..

Whatever.

 

But I can completely understand the frustration. I do sympathize with your feelings Padraig. To see a Pope purposely confuse the flock for his own warped agenda is horrific. It’s anti Catholic. So, in essence he is an antipope. He was elected knowingly by some to destroy.

 

First of all, I would like to repeat how much I appreciate this forum. When we have a controversial discussion, there is so much kindness, understanding, charity. The insights from you guys are so profound because you are a group of God-fearing and God-loving Catholics and you live your faith deeply.

My own views develop further with everything I read. I try to be open-minded without becoming wobbly. Purple Flower, I am beginning to see where you are coming from more and more, after reading the recent interview by LifeSiteNews with Cardinal Mueller. I would give a lot for the original German text, as I would like to check if JP II's constitution on papal elections was explicitly discussed with Cardinal Mueller.

In any case, Cardinal Mueller said any faults regarding the election have been cured, and as long as Pope Francis does not proclaim heresy, he remains Pope. I have been thinking about this, in light of the strange prophecy by St. Francis of Assisi, quoted off the cuff:

"If people do not repent, God will send a destroyer, a Pope not canonically elected. Many will be mislead by the poison of his error."

"A Pope not canonically elected" sounds self-contradictory, prima facie. If he was not canonically elected, he is not Pope, I would have thought. However, now Cardinal Mueller openly acknowledged that the election of Pope Francis was problematic, and yet he states that Pope Francis remains Supreme Pontiff, since any problems with the election have been cured. This puts the prophecy of St. Francis in a new light, perhaps. Truly, a Pope not canonically elected, a destroyer that will deceive even some of the elect, by the poison of his error.

May our Good Lord keep us and protect us in these difficult times!

 

Just a reminder to many who have not read Fr Gobbi’s book, read it. Our Lady conveyed to him everything that is happening today. And Fr Roux mentioned a POPE.

 

A, 'Pope' who is as you write trying to , 'Destroy', the Church cannot be Pope by definition.

No more than a Shepherd whose very clear intention is to roast and eat his sheep can be called a Shepherd..

 

I sympathize with his feelings as well. I truly do.