The Great Monarch and the Holy Pope

Discussion in 'Questions and Answers' started by Carol55, Jun 24, 2017.

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Do you believe in the prophecy of the Great Monarch and the Holy Pope?

  1. Yes

    61.7%
  2. No

    11.7%
  3. Uncertain

    26.7%
  1. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    PNF,

    This might help you.

    From Desmond A. Birch's book, "Trial, Tribulation and Triumph: Before, During and After Antichrist". I am providing an abbreviated timeline that Birch states in this book to help us determine where we might be in this timeline:

    1. The Minor Chastisement will occur if not enough people convert by turning to prayer, sacrifice and penance, it will be mostly a man-made tribulation:
    • the church will be afflicted by heresy and schism
    • civil wars break out in France and Italy at the same time, a sign that the minor chastisement has begun
    • this spreads to general wars resulting in famine and pestilence
    • civil wars break out in most of the world, total chaos, including in England
    • earthquakes, tidal waves, floods and other natural disasters
    • Moslems will cause great trouble for the Church and Europe in general
    • an army of Russians will invade Western Europe, just when everyone thinks this is impossible
    • the Pope flees Rome with several Cardinals and is found cruelly murdered
    • a man who will be later known as a great saint will be elected as Pope near the end of the minor chastisement
    • the new pope will have great influence on the acceptance of a new great leader, a Great King, by the French
    • this Great King will lead his army to a victory in Cologne and a final victory in Westphalia against Russian and Prussian forces, it will be apparent that Christ through the intercession of his Blessed Mother took direct miraculous intervention in this victory
    • at some point the Great King will chase an invading Moslem army back to the Holy Land
    • near the end of the minor chastisement God sends the Three Days of Darkness
    2. The Age of Peace the time of the renewal of Christian culture in the West; the time of the Great King and the new Pope
    • the Great King establishes peace and civil justice in the world; protects the Church; and defends the poor
    • the new Pope calls for the greatest ecumenical council in the history of the Church
    • the world is spiritually and materially prosperous as never before and many Jews, Mohammedans, heathens and heretics will enter the church
    • eventually this increased prosperity causes many people to grow lax in the faith; wars and bad economic times break out again
    • after the death of the last Holy Roman Emperor, the Great King, ten kings divide up his empire (Birch states there is a possibility that this division of the empire occurs after several successors of the Great King and this is dependent on the grace of the people)
    3. The Major Chastisement - Antichrist the precursor for the Antichrist is the False Prophet, during the time of the Antichrist the Two Witnesses will preach to the people against the Antichrist and the Jews will convert during this time also.
    • the ten kingdoms of the Roman Empire will be dismantled by an evil leader, the Antichrist, three of the ten kings will not follow the Antichrist
    • the Antichrist begins his rise to power at around the age of thirty and after he rises to total power his bestial persecution of the church lasts 3.5 years
    • the Antichrist then kills the Two Witnesses in Jerusalem, their bodies lay in the streets for 3.5 days until to everyone's amazement they are resurrected by God
    • the Antichrist will unsuccessfully attempt to ascend to heaven and Saint Michael will cast him down to his death
    4. The Four Last Things Death, Judgment, Heaven and Hell; when Jesus comes in glory to judge the living and the dead.

    * Birch does, of course, state that some of these things are conditional.

    I am providing this link http://www.1260.org/Mary/Apparitions_Garabandal/Garabandal_Apparitions_Communism_Comes_again_en.htm which includes the Garabandal's seers description of the Minor Chastisement which they refer to as the great tribulation.
     
  2. Padrepiofan

    Padrepiofan Angels

    Personally,think the world is ending next year .
     
  3. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    I gave my copy away several years ago. Carol just did a fantastic job of answering your questions two posts above.
     
  4. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    That’s evangelical Protestantism and it’s errors negatively affecting your world view, which should be informed by orthodox Catholic thought instead.

    This world in not in any way near “the end.” Any Catholic who understands scripture and the teachings of the Church understands that way too much has to happen yet before “the end.”
     
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  5. Frankly

    Frankly Archangels

    YES, The planned Third Temple in Jerusalem .. - which shall mirror the 1st Temple of Solomon = is very big on animal Sacrifice . Plus, it claims to be where a 'messiah' shall arrive.
    Connected is their Sanhedrin - aka which connects with those who sentenced the real Messiah to death - 2000 years ago.
    Because It has all the hallmarks of the expected AntiChrist - there shall always be strong oppisition from some - to deny that

    YES and part of our mission is to educate folks so as to reject all AntiChristians - and know who they are and what they're up to ..

    Jerusaem Post - Temple Institute encourages Jews to hope for Third Temple in new video Tisha b'Av: People Get Ready!
    Evoking Isaiah’s promise that the Third Temple is the secret of world peace and harmony and the hope of all mankind," according to a statement by the Temple Institute. https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/t...-to-hope-for-third-temple-in-new-video-597873



    "It will happen at The End of Days".. (Judaism's Eschatology term for Christ's End Times / they differ greatly) .. "The mountain of the temple of Hashem" - (Hashem is Judaism's term for God)

    WE ARE THE SPIRITUAL TEMPLE OF GOD! No more Brick & Mortar..




     
  6. Padrepiofan

    Padrepiofan Angels

    We have the antichrist
    The false prophet - the abomination of desolute - Amazon synod . We have the heavens ( sky) being shaken and dramatic . We have society being slaughtered by 5G and vaccines..were done
     
  7. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    Who exactly is this so called false prophet? And who exactly is this so called antichrist?

    Names, please, then proof they are who you claim they are?
     
  8. Frankly

    Frankly Archangels

    AntiChrist?

    Former Israeli PM Netanyahu and Christian Zionist Pompeo and important Rabbis
    .. at the Model of the Third Temple in Jerusalem. and the room where the Sanhedrin shall sit.

     
  9. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Shhh - keep it to yourself we don't want to alarm people(y)
     
  10. Padrepiofan

    Padrepiofan Angels

    False prophet is Pope Francis ( I think )
    The antichrist is the beast system one world satanic government
     
  11. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Padrepiofan, Jesus has told us that the final Antichrist is not a system but a person and there are other details about him in scripture also, I believe in Daniel.

    John 5:43 I am come in the name of my Father, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive.
     
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  12. Padrepiofan

    Padrepiofan Angels

    Bill gates then
     
  13. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Padrepiofan, Good guess but try and relax a bit, believe me I know that it is difficult. +
     
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  14. Frankly

    Frankly Archangels

    FYI, Russia and Co are enemies of a UniPolar World..
    AntiChrist?
    Interesting from Rev we see that he Shall never be completely successful in the waging military war departmenrt.

    Yes.. And in the Cath Ency article on him - " The individual person of Antichrist will not be a demon, as some of the ancient writers believed; nor will he be the person of the devil incarnated in the human nature of Antichrist.
    He will be a human person, perhaps of Jewish extraction, if the explanation of Genesis 49:17, together with that of Dan's omission in the catalogue of the tribes, as found in the Apocalypse, be correct. "
     
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  15. Padrepiofan

    Padrepiofan Angels

    It said the antichrist will perform signs and wonders.... We all know the satanic world governments are planning a fake UFO invasion
     
  16. Padrepiofan

    Padrepiofan Angels

    The man of sin is a person and I believe that was Obama.
     
  17. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    Thank you, Carol55. If Birch's "Age of Peace" is to be interpreted as a temporal kingdom with a human king bringing peace to "the whole earth" (as we know it), it is a form of temporal theocratic millenarianism. Theocratic "millenarianism" is condemned along with the "secular messianistic" form warned about in CCC 676. However, if that "Era of Peace" is interpreted as a non-temporal, supernatural, non-historical kingdom of the Elect under Christ the King AFTER the Second Coming "in the clouds," then it is completely orthodox and in agreement with the Church's interpretation of the Apocalypse.

    FWIW, I would label the main periods as follows, based on Jesus's description of events in Matthew 24:

    1. The Beginning of the Sorrows (Matthew 24:4-8)

    2. The Tribulation (Matthew 24:9-14) WE ARE HERE, IMHO

    3. The Great Tribulation (Matthew 24:15-28)

    4. Second Coming "in the clouds"/Warning/Miracle (Matthew 24:29-30)

    5. Conditional "Rapture"/"Millenium"/Paradise for Elect (Matthew 24:31) OR Conditional Short Period of Peace for penitent converts (Matthew 24:32-42)

    6. Conditional Rest/Reward for those who remain faithful during the Short Period of Peace(Matthew 24:43-47)

    7. Conditional Wrath/Punishment for those who fall away during the Short Period of Peace (Matthew 24:48-51)

    In the Notebooks of Maria Valtorta (entry dated 27 August 1943), Jesus says:

    "Even in the Apocalypse, the periods seem to get mixed up, but it is not so. It would be better to say that they have more majestic repercussions in subsequent times. We are now in the period which I call that of the forerunners of the Antichrist. Then it will be the period of the Antichrist, who is the forerunner of Satan. The Antichrist will be assisted by Satan's manifestations: the two beasts spoken of in the Apocalypse. It will be a period worse than the current one. Evil increases more and more. Once the Antichrist is beaten, the Period of Peace will come to give mankind--struck by the wonder of the seven scourges and the Fall of Babylon--time to gather under My sign. The antichristian age will rise to its utmost violence in its third manifestation, in other words when it is the last coming of Satan. Do you people understand me? You must believe, not spit hairs. Truly Maria, you did understand, precisely because you don't split hairs. The dictations do not contradict one another. One must know how to read them with faith and simplicity of heart." (Link to quote and full book here.)​

    There is no long Period of Peace, mentioning a temporal Catholic monarch, in either Matthew or Maria Valtorta's locutions. And I challenge you to find anything about such a thing, described as a temporal political kingdom, in the Apocalypse, except for the discussion of the "Millennium" in Apocalypse 20:4.
     
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  18. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    PNF, I am mentally pooped out now but maybe someone else will jump in, hopefully. I apologize.

    ***
    I just came across this article which is from May 21, 2020 but is very well written imho. Obviously, this was written before the current Russia invasion of Ukraine and Pope Francis' consecration of Russia but still a very good read. It also relates to the discussion on this thread a little bit.

    Why should we expect a divine intervention today?
    21 May 2020 | https://voiceofthefamily.com/why-should-we-expect-a-divine-intervention-today/

    From the article, "The only solution to the mess the world and the church find themselves in today is divine intervention. " I believe that I recall Cardinal Burke stating something similar.
     
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  19. Frankly

    Frankly Archangels

    Yes.. Evangelicals / Christian Zionists are aligned with modern Rabbinical Judaism.. which is a far cry from Catholicism..
     
  20. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    A half dozen years ago, I was at a luncheon at a friend’s home in Steubenville OH and Bishop Athanasius Schneider joined us for lunch. While the eight of us were sitting around the dining room table, the bishop was making some comments.

    He remarked that the grave problems of Christ’s Church, in our present age, are beyond any human efforts to solve, and that not even a truly good and holy pope could pull it out of the dark path it was on.

    He said only by the literal direct intervention of God in this age could the barque of Peter be righted.

    And that this Divine Intervention would ONLY come about through the freely accepted sacrifices of the holy innocents of our time.
     
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