Is this the end of Holy Mass.

Discussion in 'The Sacraments' started by Julia, Mar 14, 2021.

  1. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    In the tradition of a saint would not describe Julia.:ROFLMAO: Rough and ready like her mother before her, more like it.:LOL:

    Cardinal Burke says we should make our concerns known to the Holy Father. By expressing concerns direct to him should not be wrong hopefully.

    I hope you are right.:eek: Thank you for your encouraging words.:love:
     
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  2. Michael Pio

    Michael Pio Archangels

    I have signed the petition of Cardinal Burke to keep Latin Mass in St Peter's via a link provided by LifeSiteNews.
     
  3. Mario

    Mario Powers

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  4. Mario

    Mario Powers

    The following is a letter of Cardinal Zen to Cardinal Sarah. How sad that Cardinal Zen apparently doesn't even bother to write the Vatican!:(

    Open Letter to Cardinal Sarah
    To His Eminence
    Card. Robert Sarah
    Dear Eminence,

    Pain and indignation invade my heart to hear certain incredible news: They have forbidden private masses in St. Peter’s!? If it were not for the restrictions imposed by the Coronavirus, I would take the first flight to come to Rome and get on my knees in front of the door of Santa Marta (now the Papal residence) until the Holy Father has this edict withdrawn.

    It was the thing that strengthened my faith most every time I came to Rome: at exactly seven o’clock I would enter the sacristy (where I almost always would meet that holy man, the Archbishop, then Cardinal Paolo Sardi); a young priest would come forward and would help me to dress in the vestments, and then they take me to an altar (in the Basilica proper or in the grottoes, that would make no difference to me, we were in St. Peter’s Basilica!). I think these were the masses that, in my life, I celebrated with more fervor and emotion, sometimes with tears praying for our living martyrs in China (now abandoned and pushed into the bosom of the schismatic church by the “Holy See” [as that document of June 2020 was presented without signatures and without the revisions of the Congregation for Doctrine]).

    It is time to reduce the excessive power of the Secretariat of State. Remove these sacrilegious hands from the communal home for all the Faithful in the world! Let them content themselves with playing worldly diplomacy with the father of lies. Let them make the Secretariat of State “a den of thieves”, But leave the devoted people of God alone!

    “It was night!” (John 13:30)
    Your Brother

    Joseph Zen, SDB
    Translation by Bree A. Dail

    :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry: It is night!

    Lord have Mercy!
     
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  5. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. It was night. My heart breaks for all of us but especially for holy and venerable Cardinal Zen who has suffered unspeakably. "How long oh Lord..."
     
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  6. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    According to some reports, prominent Jesuit Fr. Thomas Reese has said that the TLM should be restricted to the elderly - basically people who grew up with the Mass before the introduction of the Novus Ordo. He wants children banned from attending the TLM. Now, it seems to me that Fr. Reese and the Chinese Premier are kindred spirits, but that's not my reason for this post.

    Fr. Ripperger is Taylor Marshall' guest on this video. They are discussing the Mass:



    I need to watch it again to make sure I take it all in. Something Fr. Ripperger and Dr. Marshall agree on is what's bothering me. It's that the TLM is more efficacious than the NO. They're not denying that the NO is valid or efficacious. I go to the NO all the time. In many ways, I prefer a reverently offered NO and would be perfectly happy with it if it were offered ad orientem and had fewer (preferably no) lay participation in the sanctuary other than altar boys.

    I'm wondering now should I make a better effort to go to the TLM. There are only two churches in Dublin where the TLM is offered. One is an SSPX and the other is a NO parish with one TLM daily. The couple of times I went to the TLM in the NO parish, I sensed that the TLM was permitted under difference. I could well be wrong about that and couldn't point to any particular reason why I got that impression. The NO Masses I attend are offered very reverently by what I believe to be very holy priests. But if the TLM is more beneficial, should I be making a better effort to go to TLM Masses. Also, what about the SSPX Mass? Would that also be more beneficial despite the unusual status of the SSPX?
     
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  7. Malachi

    Malachi Powers

    The TLM is offered in St Kevin's Harrington street. This is the base of the Latin Mass Chaplaincy. Three great priests.
    https://www.latinmassdublin.ie/
     
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  8. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Yes, I have been to the TLM in Harrington Street. Also went to Confession there to an excellent priest. Their weekday Mass is at an unearthly hour of the morning so daily Mass would be out of the question. I'm not sure of the time the SSPX offer daily Mass. SSPX would be a longer journey but probably no less inconvenient. I really like where I go to Sunday Mass and, as I have already said, I'm happy with a NO offered reverently. But it's not all about me. The question for me is whether God prefers the TLM.
     
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  9. Malachi

    Malachi Powers

    I would say unquestionably so. A liturgy that developed organically through practically almost 2millennia versus a concoction of "experts" that has been a principal cause of the ruination of the faith.
     
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  10. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    All SSPX Masses are illicit because the local Bishop has not authorized them to offer Mass.
     
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  11. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

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  12. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Thanks Malachi. I was afraid you would say that. Looks like I'll have to put more effort into hearing Mass on Sundays when the lockdown is lifted. It's a pity they only have evening Mass in Latin on First Fridays.
     
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  13. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    Isn't it a great relief to read how a Prince of the Church of Jesus Christ can write a letter so easy to understand by each and every one of us.

    Just as revealing when you read between the lines as Archbishop Vigano, as to where those who rule the Vatican roost are leading us.

    Oh God! come to our aid. Oh Lord! make haste to help us. :cry:

    Mary Immaculate Queen of the Universe pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.

    Pray most gracious Queen for the Mystical Body of Jesus Christ on earth,

    That dear God may protect, preserve and bless the Mystical Body of Christ on earth. Amen
     
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  14. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    There seem to be differing opinions on that. Some very knowledgeable and orthodox Catholics have said that we can go to SSPX Masses. They add a proviso concerning the reason for going to SSPX Mass. I think it's along the lines that if we're going to the SSPX because we believe the NO is invalid, then we're out of line. I'm not sure of that because at the time I read or heard it, I wasn't terribly interested in it.
     
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  15. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    I wonder if you are confusing TLM with SSPX only saying the Traditional Latin Mass.

    There are the FSSP who are in line with Vatican rules and regulation who say TLM, our Bishop has allowed them in my town TG. All TLM Masses are not SSPX.
     
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  16. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I know this. I was talking about all SSPX Masses. Literally. Not licit.
     
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  17. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Is there an official statement from the Church on this? It's not of immediate concern to me because I have options. I'm thinking of what could be facing us after next year's symposium on the priesthood. I won't be going to Mass in any church where sodomy is blessed, irrespective of who does the blessing. I'm also concerned that the Mass will be further protestantised to please the Jeauits and the apostate Bishops. It's not Donatism to mistrust the intentions of a priest who has all the appearance of an apostate but says the correct words of consecration.
     
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  18. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    Sadly, there are no latin masses in my area. I haven't been to one in years. I would love it really, I am before Vat II. I think I still have a little missalette somewhere . . .
     
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  19. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    There’s no official statement. It’s part of the non canonical status of the SSPX. In order for a priest to licitly celebrate Mass in a diocese, the local Bishop has to grant
    permission.
     
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  20. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    So, the Mass would be valid but illicit. On the other hand, we could have a scenario where a priest could offer a Mass which, although apparently both licit and valid, could actually be neither depending on his intent. Seems an outlandish scenario, but a lot of things we thought imossible prior to 2013 have turned out to be possible in pastoral practice.
     
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