Vatican says vaccines derived from aborted foetuses are “morally acceptable”.

This is sad. I had high hopes for Novavax, and now this.

 

Times have changed, but this Truth teaching did not change. You are still right.
My parents hated lies. They could not stand it if we tried to lie our way out.
I remember being so miserable about something I had done but my mother wanted the truth.

 

The bishop in my own diocese also released a statement indicating that the Pfizer, or Moderna vaccines are morally acceptable, but we should avoid the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. He is twisting the Truth. What difference does it make whether they used abortion derived cell lines in testing, or development... if the vaccines were not ethically derived then they are all immoral. It's like saying a woman is 'just a little pregnant'...there is no inbetween. I could cry because the faithful are being horribly deceived. This will not end well for the Church.

 

It’s so frustrating! I spoke with my General Doctor and she told me that every vaccine is tested with aborted cell lines. So, what can we do? A mom today has no choice but to vaccinate their children. At least Novavax doesn’t carry aborted fetal cells. It’s still the best alternative. I’m going to hold off as long as I can on taking the vaccine. But I must say my social circles are all waiting for me to take it. There is peer pressure. What an insane world.

 

There’s a good chance with the way things are going here in NZ that if I do not get vaccinated I will lose my job and not be able to fly home. As an aside the gov is about to criminalise so called conversion therapy. Turning a vaccine into a sanction should be a piece of cake.

 

I find myself at times when I face troubling questions asking myself, 'What would Mary, the Mother of God do in the same situation?

Would Mary, The immaculate Conception, take a vaccine fouled in anyway, even slightly, by the blood of murdered unborn children?

Of course she would not. Neither should we , her children.

'Thou shalt not kill'.

Matthew 24:35


35 )Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

 

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

- Matthew 10:16

 

I simply say, I am a conscientious objector. Believe it or not, it throws people and they don't react in a negative way. I don't think most people realise what that means, and that suits me.

Like you both my husband and I have declined to have the vaccine, and thank God when they phoned my husband they were ok with his decision to not have the vaccine. He does have COPD.

I still have to have the conversation with my consultant nephrologist, and fingers crossed he will not decide to stop treating me for the vasculitis. It is all in God's hands.

One interesting thing though. Family and friends here in the UK who have had the first vaccine are not expecting the second one for twelve weeks. I heard a video in which they said it is best to wait for twelve weeks between vaccines for long term results.

On the other hand my sister in Ireland had the first vaccine a fortnight ago, and she tells me she will be contacted after four weeks to have the second vaccine. On the video I watched it said the vaccine is only 50% effective when the second is done after four weeks. It appears the outcome is more like 80% to 90% effective when the second vaccine is done after twelve weeks.

I wonder if the timing of the vaccines is not part of the experiment on the general population. Or am I being a conspiracy theorist. Who knows.

 

I live in Northern Ireland. I feel compelled, after following this thread, to offer an alternate angle.

One of my best friends had his first shot. He was then told he would have to wait 12 weeks for his 2nd.
Which is standard enough for these parts - as this has been happening to practically everyone that went for it.

This is where it gets interesting. His wife is one of the nurses responsible for administering the shots.

During conversation yesterday, he told me that his wife called him from the hospital. Inviting him to come over and get his 2nd shot - 4 weeks early.

When he asked why he was getting this opportunity, she told him that they have loads of vaccine shots left over. She said people aren't taking their option to have the shots. She said that at least half of the nurses at our local (large) hospital aren't taking the shots. In fact, they're actively declining them.
This is not reported anywhere.

He was surprised, he's pro-vaccine.

It got me thinking, perhaps -- PERHAPS -- the uptake isn't as great as they're telling us?

And, are they pretending there is a shortage - to try and fool people into queuing for it?

I'm holding out. I'm not diving headlong into getting it. There are perhaps more of us than we thought.

 

There is the virtue of prudence in all of this --

 

I have no problem with a vaccine and even if there was a risk of it snuffing me out, as long as it is not using cell lines from a murdered child.

I understand even pfizer or whatever it is and moderna use cell lines from aborted babies to test batches and ensure they are to whatever standard science requires for the outcome they expect. Northern Ireland would probably be following the same program as the rest of the UK. Interesting they are prepared to use up vaccine weeks early to get rid of the left overs.

Johnson and Johnson of course appear to use cell lines from aborted babies as an ongoing practice. I don't know for certain if this is the case, but it does appear to be so.

In any event, it is good to share our experiences in our own localities, and see if it reflects what the media machine is feeding us.

 

After Mass today, our priest said that if there is a choice, please do your homework. And he said the Johnson and Johnson one shouldn't be used.

 

Byron, your doctor should know that there are ethical alternatives to ALL childhood vaccines with the exception of measles, mumps and rubella. The thing is, we have to ASK for them and they may have to order them.

 

Thank you for reminding me. It’s difficult to find a conscientious doctor in a big city today. It’s all about money where I live. Medicine here is big business. All my kids were vaccinated with non aborted cell lines. But with my last child, I was not well informed about the chicken pox vaccine. Unfortunately, she received it. Her atopic dermatitis I’m convinced was a side effect from that vaccine. The video on one of the threads about the expert doctor against the Covid vaccine was excellent. I’m definitely not going to take any of the vaccines. May God protect us all. Thanks again Heavenly.

 

This is a local doctor from my town..



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Wow, what a good method to measure the ethics of anything....what would Mary do?.....
A very good measure!

 

Agreed.

 

How wonderful.

Exactly what I think. It's just plain , ordinary common sense. But people without God become sheep, to be herded. Just as people were herded in Ancient Rome by the Emperors.

 

Another from Fr Mark on the AstraZenica pic