The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Mary P

    Mary P Archangels

    It occurred to me, that the Pope is trying to prepare for the future where the See of Rome is empty for a time (various prophecies including Fatima). But honestly, I have grave concerns about this direction.
     
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  2. Jim Caviezel's 'Be Saints' Speech
     
  3. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    I don't think I like the sound of this. I attended one of these "listening process" meetings in my diocese once. The blind leading the blind. One group complained that the Church places far too much emphasis on the Mass, and questioned whether the Mass is really the be-all and end-all of the faith. That young, busy families don't have time to spend 45 minutes at Mass on a Sunday and could it not be shorter. This kind of thing. Tragic.
     
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  4. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    :eek::cry:
     
  5. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

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  6. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    Uh,oh...money troubles at the Vatican.

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    Apostolic Letter issued “Motu proprio” by the Supreme Pontiff Francis on the containment of staff expenses of the Holy See, the Governorate of Vatican City State, and related bodies, 24.03.2021

    An economically sustainable future requires that today, among other decisions, measures be taken concerning staff salaries.

    a) In view of the deficit that has characterised the economic management of the Holy See for several years;

    b) in view of the worsening of this situation following the health emergency caused by the spread of Covid-19, which has adversely affected all sources of revenue for the Holy See and Vatican City State;

    (c) considering that staff costs constitute a significant item of expenditure in the budget of the Holy See and the Vatican City State;

    d) considering that, although the Holy See and the Vatican City State are adequately capitalized, it is necessary to ensure sustainability and balance between income and expenditure in current economic and financial management;

    e) deemed it necessary to proceed in this regard according to criteria of proportionality and progressiveness;

    (f) with a view to safeguarding current jobs;

    g) having obtained the competent opinion of the Secretariat for the Economy and having carefully examined every question concerning this matter, I hereby establish the following:



    Article 1

    Remuneration of Cardinals

    §1 With effect from 1 April 2021 the salary, however denominated, paid by the Holy See to Cardinals shall be reduced by ten per cent (10%) compared to the last salary paid.



    Article 2

    Remuneration of other Superiors

    §1 As from 1 April 2021, the remuneration, however denominated, net of and excluding the additional remuneration agreed in the relevant contract, paid by the Holy See and the Governorate of Vatican City State to persons classified in salary levels C and C1, shall be reduced by eight per cent (8%) compared to the last remuneration paid.



    Article 3

    Remuneration of clergymen and religious

    §1 With effect from 1 April 2021, the remuneration paid by the Holy See and the Governorate of the Vatican City State to clerics and members of Institutes of Consecrated Life or Societies of Apostolic Life, classified in salary levels C2 and C3 and in the ten non-executive functional levels, shall be reduced by three per cent (3%) compared to the last remuneration paid.



    Article 4

    §1 The reduction referred to in Articles 1, 2 and 3 shall not apply if the person concerned provides evidence that he cannot meet fixed expenses related to his own health or that of relatives up to the second degree. The conditions for the application of this Article shall be assessed annually. The relevant documentation shall be submitted

    (a) to the Secretariat for the Economy for employees who are administratively dependent on it;

    b) to the Governorate of the Vatican City State for its employees;

    c) to the Institution to which they belong for employees of the Congregation for the Evangelisation of Peoples and of the Institutions mentioned in Art. 6;



    Article 5

    Two-year seniority increments

    §1 In the period between 1 April 2021 and 31 March 2023, the accrual of biennial seniority increments is suspended for the persons mentioned in Articles 2 and 3 and for personnel with contracts at functional levels 4 to 10, both included, of the Holy See, the Governorate of Vatican City State and the Entities whose salaries are paid by the Holy See or by Vatican City State.



    Article 6

    Other Entities

    §1 The provisions of the preceding articles also apply to the Vicariate of Rome, the Chapters of the Papal Basilicas of the Vatican, the Lateran and the Liberian, the Fabric of Saint Peter and the Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls.



    Article 7

    §1 The Secretariat for the Economy, in agreement with the Governorate of Vatican City State and after consulting the Pension Fund, the Health Care Fund and other interested entities, shall adopt measures to implement this Decree.

    I decree that the provisions herein have immediate, full and stable effect, notwithstanding anything to the contrary, and that this Decree be promulgated by publication in “L’Osservatore Romano” of 24 March 2021 and subsequently in Acta Apostolicae Sedis.

    Given in Rome, at Saint Peter’s, on 23 March 2021, the ninth of my Pontificate

    FRANCISCUS
     
  7. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

     
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  8. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    When you think we're as low as we can go, our shepherds discover new depths.

    Vatican announces 5th International Health Conference. "Exploring the Mind, Body and Soul. How Innovation and Novel Delivery Systems Improve Human Health". Speakers include Anthony Fauci, Moderna/Pfizer CEOs, Chelsea Clinton, Joe Perry and more. Diana Montagna gives more info on Twitter. https://twitter.com/dianemontagna

    I wonder could the Vatican be pulling out all the stops to get Pope Francis a Nobel prize nomination? Short of gift wrapping the Vatican and St. john Lateran, there's not much more than can give. I hope the now deceased Cardinals of the last Conclave are not receiving their just rewards for having elected a Jesuit while the dogs in the street were barking about the Society's apostasy. Jesus came the first time when the faith leaders and world powers had been in cahoots for a long time. I wonder how long it will take before He comes the second time?

    Edward Pentin's Twitter feed has a link showing the co-sponsors.

    Could the announcement have come to deflect attention from the Vatican's failure to deal with the German apostates? https://cruxnow.com/church-in-europ...s-plan-huge-blessing-of-gay-unions-on-may-10/. The Germans will be having mass blessings of homosexual unions a couple of days after the Vatican rolls out the (virtual) red carpet for the eugenicists.
     
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  9. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

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    Anthony Fauci, Chelsea Clinton to speak at Vatican health conference.

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    Vatican City, Apr 15, 2021 / 11:39 am America/Denver (CNA).

    Anthony Fauci, Chelsea Clinton, and Deepak Chopra are among the featured speakers at a Vatican conference being held in May on the interplay of mind, body, and soul in healthcare.

    The Vatican announced the conference organized by the Pontifical Council for Culture and the Cura Foundation April 15.

    “Exploring the Mind, Body & Soul: How Innovation and Novel Delivery Systems Improve Human Health,” will take place virtually May 6-8.

    It will feature the CEOs of large pharmaceutical companies, including Moderna and Pfizer, along with celebrities active in medical philanthropy, global health advocates, policymakers, physicians, and religious leaders.

    The Vatican conference’s website lists more than 100 speakers including Kerry Kennedy, Cindy Crawford, John Sculley, Brandon Marshall, Joe Perry of Aerosmith, and Monsignor Dario Edoardo Viganò, prefect emeritus of the Secretariat for Communications.

    “Together, they will focus on advances in medical innovation and seek to catalyze the creation of new, interdisciplinary approaches and partnerships for curing disease and improving health, wellbeing and understanding human uniqueness,” the conference website states.

    Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi, president of the Pontifical Council for Culture, will co-host the summit with Monsignor Tomasz Trafny and Robin Smith, president of the Cura Foundation and author of “Cells are the New Cure.”

    A statement sent out by the Holy See Press Office said that the conference organizers will also promote a roundtable on “Bridging Science and Faith” that will explore “relationship of religion and spirituality to health and wellbeing.”

    “The discussion will deal with the deeper meaning of human existence and seek areas of convergence between the humanities and the natural sciences,” it said.

    This is the fifth international health conference organized by the Pontifical Council for Culture and the CURA Foundation. The fourth conference, “United to Cure,” hosted at the Vatican in 2018 had Katy Perry, Deepak Chopra, and Peter Gabriel as speakers.

    The first conference in this series took place in Vatican City in 2011 and focused on advances in adult stem cell research.

    This year will be the first time that it is taking place completely online. The Vatican announcement said that priests, pastoral healthcare workers, and students from pontifical and Catholic universities worldwide are invited to participate in the conference.

     
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  10. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    :sick::eek:
     
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  11. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    Quite the line up. I wonder if Joe Perry is bringing his guitar?:rolleyes:
     
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  12. AED

    AED Powers

    :cry:
     
  13. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    The Vatican will also be holding a symposium on the priesthood next year. My heart sank when I read this: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatic...ymposium-priesthood-oullett-tenace-siret.html

    The woman from the Gregorian waxed lyrical about celibacy. Other items on the agenda are the priesthood of the faithful and clericalism. Given how Pope Francis operates, it looks like we're about to see the end of the celibate priesthood and the start of a clericalised laity. I expect to see some kind of ordination of women on the agenda. No doubt there will also be some kind of workaround for blessing homosexual unions - possibly through laypersons being given an official role at sacraments like baptisms, funerals and weddings. No surprises, then, if the gay blessings are authorised via ambiguous language buried in a footnote of the ensuring document which no doubt has already been written and received the Pope's wink and nod.
     
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  14. Sunnyveil

    Sunnyveil Archangels

    Here they are planning big bashes with lots of 'expensive' stars while they whine about not having enough money in the previous posted article. What a joke. That's being nice. It's really a big fat lie and lying is a sin.
     
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  15. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    Apparently the conference will be online. I just felt so disheartened that these particular individuals were chosen to speak at a Vatican health conference. :(
     
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  16. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    The artwork says it all. God taken entirely out of the equation.

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  17. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    :(
     
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  18. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie


    This is one of the most disturbing articles I’ve read relating to a “CATHOLIC “ Vatican conference!
    I’m sorry folks, but when they feature the likes of Anthony Fauci, Chelsea Clinton, Deepak Chopra, Kerry Kennedy, and past conference attendee, Katy Perry, that’s it for me! The Vatican had truly fallen....period! Nothing , nothing justifies these people as representative of anything CATHOLIC!
     
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  19. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Sickening!
     
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  20. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    New Age leader, Deepak Chopra.....

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    https://shop.catholic.com/blog/debunking-deepak-chopras-new-age-jesus/

    In his book The Third Christ, Chopra says, “Jesus did not physically descend from God’s dwelling place above the clouds, nor did he return to sit at the right hand of a literal throne. What made Jesus the Son of God was the fact that he has achieved God-consciousness.” So Jesus is God in the sense that we are all “God,” or that we all have the spark of “God-consciousness” within us, waiting to be actualized. That’s why Chopra tells us, “Jesus intended to save the world” not by dying for our sins but, “by showing others the path to God-consciousness.”
     

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