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Ugh!! This is starting to sound like an all out fight. I appreciate everyone's input, but I think another thread needs to be started on some of this stuff. Like if Biden is evil, or just a misguided moron. And for the vaccines, I think it's just about been discussed to death. And I'm not just talking about here. I'm sorry I got this started, or gave it a push along with anything I said or asked. There may be a problem with the vaccines, that much I know. But to state if they are "evil" or not is beyond me right now. And I hate to admit it, I've had my doubts about Pope Francis. Ever since a remark he made early on when asked about gay people and the Church. "Who am I to judge?" Maybe true, but the bible is against gays. Well, maybe not the people, but definitely the lifestyle.

Ok. I think I've said enough here. Let's try to get back to something a bit more positive. My brain is dragging in the gutter right now and I'd like to get it out.

 

Maybe this will help..
The Phiser vaccine was a finished product before they tested it on the cells. In your analogy the thief would not be selling you stolen goods but rather legally produced goods (say a car) that he tested before selling it to you using a stolen diagnostic machine which he killed someone to obtain. Add to that, say, that you need the car to rescue someone who is in grave danger and there is no other car available.

We still need to express our objection to the use of the aborted cells. But two Popes, the Congregation for the Faith, the USCCB have all determined that the taking of a vaccine is remote enough from the taking of the cells to make taking a vaccine morally justified. This is not the first vaccine that unfortunately utilized these cells. And the Church said the use of those vaccines was morally justified if an ethically produced vaccine was not available.

Once again, who here thinks they are a better moral theologian than Pope Benedict?

And who here thinks they have more authority to judge the morality of the act than the authority given to the vicar of Christ, Pope Benedict who recieved his authority directly from Christ himself?

 

Can you please explain in simple Catholic terms the phrase 'suicidal denialism' as the pope used it in his most recent statement on vaccines:

“It is not an option — ‘I think so, I don’t think so’ — it’s an ethical choice, because you gamble with your health, you gamble with your life, and you gamble with other people’s lives,” the pontiff declared.

“I don’t know why some people say, ‘no, the vaccine is dangerous,’” Francis continued. “Doctors are proposing it as something that can be helpful and as something without special dangers, why wouldn’t you take it?”

“There’s a sort of suicidal denialism at play that I can’t explain,” he concluded. “Today, you should take the vaccine.”

 

The Astrazeneca vaccine doesn't fit your example. How do you match the exception for "grave reason" to everyone, irrespective of their age or physical condition being called suicidal for having reservations? Those two statements are not compatible, and Pope Francis said nothing about selecting ethically produced vaccines. By his standards, any doctor is our moral guide on this. And please don't use the development of doctrine excuse to explain away the difference between what Pope Benedict said and this latest gem from Pope Francis. It's the slippery slope on steroids.

 

I have no idea.
I am not an apologist for this Pope.
I do greatly admire Pope Benedict XVI who was perhaps the finest theologian of the last 50 years.

 

Dolores said:
"The Astrazeneca vaccine doesn't fit your example. How do you match the exception for "grave reason" to everyone, irrespective of their age or physical condition being called suicidal for having reservations? "
I am not his apologist.
Nor do I believe anyone should be obligated to take the vaccine. Only that the Church has told us it can be justified.

Dolores said:
"Those two statements are not compatible, and Pope Francis said nothing about selecting ethically produced vaccines. By his standards, any doctor is our moral guide on this. And please don't use the development of doctrine excuse to explain away the difference between what Pope Benedict said and this latest gem from Pope Francis. It's the slippery slope on steroids."
Again, I am not an apologist for this Pope.
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But gee whiz the doctors say it's safe. Also, I'd like to see the pope address this as part of his ethical imperative to take the vaccine. My guess as to his anwer is "for the good of the other"

DeathVaxx potentially lethal widespread side effect: Enlarged Spleen & Immune Thrombocytopenia (ITP) – catastrophic reduction in blood platelets so you bleed out internally


Immune thrombocytopenia (ITP)

“Immune thrombocytopenia usually happens when your immune system mistakenly attacks and destroys platelets, which are cell fragments that help blood clot.”

This is what killed the obstetrician, Dr. Gregory Michael in Florida, and this reaction is being seen all over the country.

Dr. Michael received his first dose of Pfizer’s vaccine on Dec. 18 at Mount Sinai Medical Center, the Sun-Sentinel reported. Three days later, small spots began to appear on his feet and hands. He went to the emergency room at Mount Sinai, where he has worked in private practice for 15 years.

Michael’s blood count was “far below normal ranges” and he was admitted into the ICU, according to the Sun-Sentinel. Just days before the last resort surgery, he suffered a stroke and died.

The “last resort surgery” was to have his spleen removed. He bled out into his brain before they could do it.

Anecdotal reports are circulating among nurses that spleen pain (splenomegaly) is a common side effect of the DeathVaxx in the days and weeks after the jab, which points to ITP. BAD BUSINESS, folks.

This is just one reason why such a high percentage of doctors and nurses are refusing the DeathVaxx all over the world

 

Dear blessed mother pray for us and an end to the use of these cells and an end to the horror of abortion.

 

That Pope Francis he's a real jokester.

 

I have a relative who can't wait to get the vaccine and says she doesn't care how it was made as long as it works. Given her age and current state of health, getting covid would probably shorten what life she has left by a few years. I was a little shocked when she said that about the vaccine. Now, I respect her honesty.

Best for me to say no more or I'll be twisting myself inside out preparing for my next Confession.

 

Coincidence????

Death of Florida doctor after receiving COVID-19 vaccine under investigation
A Florida doctor has died several weeks after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine, although it's not yet clear whether his death Monday was related to the shot he received on Dec. 18. Dr. Gregory Michael, 56, an OB-GYN at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami Beach, died after suffering a hemorrhagic stroke apparently resulting from a lack of platelets.

Apparently he was a healthy man.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...der-investigation-gregory-michael/6574414002/


Norway investigating death of two people who received Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine

https://www.wionews.com/world/norwa...o-received-pfizers-coronavirus-vaccine-354716

Switzerland reports first death after Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine shot
https://www.samaa.tv/news/2020/12/s...rst-death-after-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-shot/


Portuguese health worker, 41, dies two days after getting the Pfizer covid vaccine as her father says he 'wants answers'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...es-two-days-getting-Pfizer-covid-vaccine.html

 

Back to the thread topic. I think we'll be safe from the CAF exiles. Fisheaters has a few new members showing signs that traditionalism isn't quite their cup of tea, so John can breathe easy for a while.

 

Still, it's kind of sad when a forum has to shut down. I remember I liked CAF quite a bit. I just can't remember why I didn't go back. I think I just got away from it and forgot my password or something. I'm glad I found this place. It's nice to have some other Catholics to hang out with.

 

Benedict XVI to receive coronavirus vaccine

 

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...dict-xvi-to-receive-coronavirus-vaccine-10328