Is the Church in Crisis?

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  1. josephite

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    Dolours was this a Mass you physically attended at a Carmelite Church or were you watching it online?
    Because if you were physically attending this Mass, the fact that you and others were unable to sacramentally receive Holy Communion is an abominable outrage!
     
  2. Dolours

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    It was online. Masses are closed to the public here while we're under lockdown.
     
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    I watched this yesterday while reading the transcript, yes truly alarming and revealing.
    The spiritual battle seems to be climbing to the Zenith!
    Lord have Mercy on us.
    Lord hear us.
    Thank you Lord for every blessing.
    Oh Sacrament Most Holy Oh Sacrament Divine, All praise and All thanksgiving be every moment Thine.
     
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    For a long time, I have been unable to help wondering whether Francis or Benedict is THE Pope. I know that this might get me banned forever but Ann Barnhardt makes the (to me incontrovertible) point that no previous Pope, even the most sinful, has EVER tried to overturn the ages long teachings of the Church and that this is because the Papacy carries with it an absolute guarantee that the successor of Peter will not teach error (whatever the state of his soul).

    If someone is apparently the Pope but teaches error, he demonstrates clearly and absolutely that he is NOT the Pope. This man has taught error ergo he cannot be Pope. I can understand the reluctance to share this horrendous conclusion but I can't see the flaw in Ann's argument. If e.g. the death penalty was permitted by the Church for centuries in the most serious offences, it cannot, on Francis' whim, become sinful for civil authorities to execute the offenders, if those in serious and unconfessed sin have been excluded from Communion since the beginning of the Church, it cannot be lawful because he says so etc. etc.
     
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    AidanK A great sinner

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    I think there is a difference between expressing an opinion and teaching error. Always be careful not to wander down the path of sedevacantism , thereby lies the road to error
     
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    I am NOT Sedevacantist, I believe that there is a Pope and that his name is Benedict. I am not in error but someone is.
     
  8. Jo M

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    Padraig, you created the thread 'The Vatican Has Fallen'
    in December, 2016 shortly after Donald Trump was elected. Here we are nearly four years later, praying for Trump to be re-elected, and the happenings at the Vatican have surpassed our worst nightmares. It is unbelievable that we have Archbishop Vigano writing to the President of the United States to express his religious and political concerns. We have fallen very far indeed.
     
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    When I was very young (aorund 15 0r 16) both myself and my SpiritualDirector used to disucc the Prophecies of Garabandal, Our Lady of All Nations and Fatima with regard to Apostasy in the Church and current events.

    In those far off days the Prophesies were so incredible, like a Science Fiction film. Yet now before our very eyes we are lving Prophecies being fulfilled. I constantly have this huge sense or unreality..of this is not really happening, that it is all a dream a nightmare.

    Yet one thing I thought was back then when I was just 16 still rings true today.

    What an extraordinary privledge and blessing it is to live in these days just when the war has reached fever pitch.

    What a huge, huge grace and blessing. What an honour.
     
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    It's true too. Time has sped us enormously, it's as though we are all on a fast train. This adds to the dreamlike quality of things.
     
  11. Dolours

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    The Church will not teach error. No single Pope is "the Church". The teaching on papal infallibility is meant to be restrictive rather than giving popes carte blanche to teach whatever tickles their fancy. They have no authority to teach in contradiction of what has always been held to be true.

    I think that what Pope Francis is about is preparing the ground for the Church to embrace heresy and eventually have heresy incorporated into formal teaching. The ambiguous language isn't accidental or a sign that he has lost his marbles. It's there to permit heterodox Bishops and priests to practice on the ground what the Church formally forbids, especially regarding sexual morality or, more precisely, sodomy. He just has to turn a blind eye to blessings of "we won't call it marriage" long enough to pave the way for a successor to come up with a formal liturgy for such blessings. They will get to gay marriage incrementally, with much talk of the "sensus fidelium", the "fidelium" having been brainwashed into believing that this is what God wants and has revesled to His Church through doctrinal development.

    Do you not remember the woman who joined the forum when Amoris Laetitia was released? She spun all sorts of yarns about how she had been brought back to the Church and had her marital status regularised thanks to a kind priest who gave her Communion while she was living in adultery. I think she said that she had some formal role in her parish, possibly in her diocese. Imagine joining a little forum like this just to sell AL. It was as 'though there was an army of foot soldiers sent out to persuade Catholics around the world that reservations about AL were in our imagination and that anyone expecting clear teaching from the Vicar of Christ was a bad Catholic. She was banned in the end because of something to do with internet connections and using different user accounts. Anyway, she was all talk about Pope Francis responding to the sensus fidelium. As far as I can remember, Brian put her straight but her response seemed to be that Brian's "sensus" was lacking "fidelium".

    Unfortunately, none of that makes Pope Francis an anti-Pope. He's just a bad Pope, albeit a legitimate one.
     
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    The speed at which this collapse is accelerating can only mean the Rescue grows closer and closer. I must admit the Lord's imagery of labor pangs is so appropriate! I've helped my wife through this six times, but she is the one who suffers!

    John 16:21 When a woman is in travail she has sorrow, because her hour has come; but when she is delivered of the child, she no longer remembers the anguish, for joy that a child is born into the world. 22 So you have sorrow now, but I will see you again and your hearts will rejoice, and no one will take your joy from you.
     
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    So true.
    The pains come quicker and more painful the closer to being delivered comes.

    So it is with the Church. The relief between the pains becomes shorter and the pains becomes more intense each time.

    This should indeed give us hope. Our Lord's timing is perfect. The Catechism is clear that the Lord rescues His bride after a final unleashing of evil.

    Where sin abounds, there grace abounds all the more.
     
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    It is as the Apocalypse says,

    '...lest even the righteous be lost...'
     
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    I think Dr Ed Mazza has the strongest reasonable theory;
    Go to the 34 minute mark to 46 minute Mark, Dr Mazza gives His hypothesis there.
    Much food for thought.
     
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    Padraig...You had a spiritual director at 15 or16??? How admirable!! I'm an old timer and still don't have one!
     
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    Julia... You're obviously a follower of Fr Mark Goring... "Check this oot...the world is going BONKERS!!":D I adore his youthful vigor and strong faith...he uses those two phrases all the time!!
     
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    Spot on. This is no time for the lukewarm. We all should be much more afraid of being spit out than any offense we might commit in haste of tongue or passion for truth. It is a time of great opportunity for those who love Christ and the Church.
     
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    Ralph Martin goes into details of his book A Church in Crisis in the following video. What's most disturbing is how closely aligned ( I would say in bed) the Vatican now is with the new world order. Phrases like integral environmentalism that appear in recent Vatican encyclicals such as Laudato Si really mean severe population reduction and reproductive rights in UN speak. You have people like Cardinal Sorondo, who is Argentinian like Francis, visiting China and then proclaiming that the Chinese are doing a better job of applying Catholic social teaching than any other country. Sorondo has brought Jeffrey Sachs, a George Soros ally and huge population control advocate to over 20 vatican conferences. The UN has pledge 26 billion dollars per year to the Vatican. Support for Pope Francis' initiatives is also coming from the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation -- that in itself tells you there's extreme evil involved An example of one of the initiatives is Francis' Global Education Pact to promote a new global humanism -- no mention of God or Jesus Christ here.

    This is well worth the watch:

     
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