Countdown to the Kingdom

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Correct.

 

I'm not paying attention to any more visionaries in quotes.....I'm not obliged. Let's lift up the saints and study them with the same intensity.

 

Well...
From what I read of his latest message Edson describes exactly the Rapture which is firmly rejected by the church.

This seer is supposedly part of the supposed "prophetic consensus" some promote.

I personally think it is a mistake to try to piece together some kind of "consensus" between seers.

My guess is people latch on to a certain idea one "seer" promotes, then looks for other "seers" that agree with that idea or prophesy.

One is not despising prophesy by avoiding unapproved, controversial "prophets".

There is no compelling reason to seek out prophesies. And in fact a great doctor of the Church, St John of the Cross warns against doing so.

 

I think this Protestant rapture theory before the tribulation reveals an indirect belief in salvation by works (something that Protestants reject), as one person being raptured straight to heaven for having followed the commandments and another being in the tribulation for having been disobedient (and may even have accepted the mark of Antichrist) reveals that keeping the commandments would make a difference for GOD to judge us

 

Thank you. I’m with you on this.

 

I thought she said he didn't do an exorcism that was in another Bishops jurisdiction.

 

Yes. That’s part of the distraction from the point at hand. What she did not answer was the very question that she had offered to the reader upfront, which was written as a statement about Father’s actually performing exorcisms without any permission for doing so at all from his own bishop. And then she makes an excuse for his doing so by saying,

“I don’t know where the discrepancy is, but I trust Fr. Michel’s words. Perhaps he worked under another bishop. Fr. Michel is being attacked for doing the great good that others are afraid to approach. ”

What I get from this is that because she trusts Father, everything is all right about the way he’s been carrying out his ministry and that, in his case, disobedience is warranted.

 

I see your point here and I agree with it.

 

I don’t even like the fact that I feel the need to make this kind of point!

 

I hear ya

 

I was just going to say the same thing. Then I read your post. So....ditto.
(We do run on the same tracks sometimes. Must be from being English teachers!)

 

I know I am entering this discussion late(r) in the game, so I apologize if this has already been discussed. This is also not meant as a judgment against Fr. in any way. One thing that I think is so important when discerning any sort of private revelation, especially that which is shared with the public or gives dates/promises for the future, is humility. Looking back at many approved Marian apparitions (e.g. Fatima, Lourdes), we see that the visionaries themselves desired little else other than to spend time secluded away from the world and dedicate their whole life to God, often in a convent or monastery. I think it was St. Catherine who received the instructions for the Miraculous Medal that wasn’t even identified to the rest of her convent, let alone the world, as the recipient of this heavenly favor. There is a cult of personality that develops around many visionaries that leads to a heavier emphasis on the messenger, rather than the message. For me, this is always cause for caution. Again, this is not a pronouncement on Fr. Michel as a person, priest, or the veracity of his claims, but rather that some of his defenders (not on this forum) seem to be focusing more on him as opposed to a message he shares.

 

Hi, Annie. Yes, I agree with you. And it’s all magnified due to the fact that he is being promoted.

But, I would add that if we looked more deeply into other seers of the past who were lay persons, I think we would tend to see more outspokenness in communication to others, and I feel that would only be natural due to their place outside of religious life.
Also, I am making a generalization here as there are always exceptions.

 

That’s very true. St. Catherine of Siena is a perfect example.

 

Funny I was watching a video on Sunday morning on the Rue Du Bac and of course there was a , mention made of St Catherine. I had forgotten that her body was preserved incorrupt; wonderful.
She did remain very much in the back seat right on up until her death and this was very, very much her wish. She always had the very lowliest jobs in her convents, I think one of them was taking care of the chickens.

One or two of the nuns I think suspected her of being the visionary of the Rue Du Bac but I think they were only wildly guessing.

Perhaps the most remarkable thing about St Catherine was that her personal holiness was so well hidden. So here was someone who was one of God's saints and no one even guessed. Isn't that the most remarkable thing of all?

Why did Our Lady pick Catherine? I think it was because she was so wonderfully child like and innocent. She was a pure vessel to carry the message. Even the angel they sent to announce Mary's coming was a little child. They must have know St Catherine would relate best to a child angel as she was just so child like herself.

A wonderful saint. I really treasure her hiddenness and humility, it reminds me so much of Nazareth.

 

A follow-up to an earlier post on Fr. Rodrigue. Spirit Daily today linked an article from the Mother of All Peoples website. It contains much information, casting serious doubt on his messages. It also contains a detailed --point by point--critique of Fr. Rodrigue by the Rev. Joseph Iannuzzi.

Communications of July 23 2020 from Bishop G. Lemay’s Vicar General Fr. Raymond Martel

Thank you for your email. Being in the Diocese of Amos since August 2011, Father Michel Rodrigue has never received from Bishop Gilles Lemay the faculties of exorcist for our diocese.

Blessings and communion in prayer.

Raymond Martel, prêtre

Vicaire général au diocèse d’Amos

450, Rue Principale Nord

Amos, Qc (Canada) J9T 2M1

Tél. 819-732-6515 Poste 206

vicairegeneral@diocese-amos.org

Those who assert that Fr. Rodrigue “is an official exorcist in the Church,” are incorrect. They are reminded by the Vicar General of the Diocese of Amos in which he has resided for the past nine years that he was not vested with the “special and express permission of his local bishop”, which the Church’s Code of Canon Law requires to perform major exorcisms and/or to enjoy the title of official exorcist: “No one can perform exorcisms legitimately upon the possessed unless he has obtained special and express permission from the local ordinary” (can. 1172,1). The title, ‘official exorcist in the Church’ is not conferred on those who recite deliverance prayers or perform minor exorcisms.

The US Catholic Conference of Bishops states that exorcisms are divided into two forms, 1) Simple or minor forms of exorcism, and 2) Solemn or "Major Exorcism." The simple or minor forms are for simply those preparing for Baptism - children and/or adults in the RCIA program. The second form is the Solemn or "Major Exorcism," which is a rite that can only be performed by a bishop or by a priest, with the special and express permission of his Local Bishop (can. 1172). This Major Exorcism form is directed “at the expulsion of demons or to the liberation [of a person] from demonic possession” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 1673).

https://www.motherofallpeoples.com/...n-confirms-negative-assessment-of-fr-rodrique

 

In the Mother of All Peoples website article, Fr. Ianuzzi challenges Fr. Rodrigue's claims on many topics. Anyone who has commented on Fr. Rodrigue should read Part I and Part II of its coverage. I cannot see how Fr. Rodrigue's messages--or the "discernment" of the Countdown the the Kingdom authors--can be promoted after this debunking.

One example:

Loreto Pres.: Fr. Joseph, what are your theological thoughts on Fr. Rodrigue’s alleged message where he makes the assertion that people must “do everything they can to help Fr. Rodrigue construct a monastery,” and that “the priests who are prepared by the Monastery of St. Benedict Joseph Labre will be those who serve the survivors”? Bishop Gilles Lemay states in his letter that Fr. Michel established a “lay association” which is not a religious institute.

Father: First, canonically a “lay association” cannot incardinate and/or form/prepare priests for incardination. So the concept that in this lay association “priests,” and not laymen, “are” prepared is perplexing and not canonically possible.

Second, one ought to exercise much caution here, as the Church has witnessed many who have claimed to receive messages on physical refuges, but in the end were declared false. Among these, worthy of mention are those messages of various alleged seers that I was asked to review from America, Europe and Asia, and that nurture fear of an impending calamity with financial advantage closely connected with the messages – they exhort others to spare no effort or expense in building physical refuges. If the Church encourages the prospect of individuals gathering together for prayer, meals and simple living, it does not advocate doing so for the purpose of establishing physical refuges.

In the New Testament and in the Church’s prophetic tradition one will not find exhortations from God or Mary requesting that the faithful do all they can to help in the construction of physical protection sites. Rather, the Church and its saints have consistently taught that the only refuge is not to be found in a physical structure, but in consecrating oneself with trust to the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts of Jesus and Mary who will see to it that one is provided for and as God intends.

https://www.motherofallpeoples.com/...n-confirms-negative-assessment-of-fr-rodrique
https://www.motherofallpeoples.com/...n-confirms-negative-assessment-of-fr-rodrique

 

That’s quite an article. Thank you.

 

Thank you, Christy. I will read and get back on here later. God is working. Ave Maria!