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People, please listen. I am not saying Christine Watkins is insincere. But in one of her books, she recounts a particular conversion story from a homosexual lifestyle. The person who was converted still lives in my Diocese and is still giving scandal by living in an ambiguous domestic situation with the person they used to be in a homosexual relationship with. If a person was truly converted, they would not continue to live in a property where the former homosexual partner also resides, would they????

I am not happy to have to bring this news, but if the person was truly converted, they would realise they need to move out - as they are giving the appearance of evil whilst at the same time being the subject of a chapter of this famous book of Conversion stories.

Sorry about this but I take Christine with a grain of salt as a result.

 

From Spiritdaily

https://spiritdaily.org/blog/mail/theologian-raises-grave-concerns-with-seer

 

Thank you, Lumena.

 

So what? Nice background, well known already. That only proves my point. He has no specific background in mystical theology as is witnessed by his total unfamiliarity with his chosen mystic here. He brings the usual safe top down critique. He allows for no nuances of translation or any skepticism to the bishop's sudden response to a blogger, believe it or not, and how his actions, continuing btw, to support Fr. M's mission of establishing his monasteries, training his priests "for these times" which CAME OUT OF HIS MYSTICAL EXPERIENCES AND COMMUNICATIONS. Where's the critique for the bishop's own background in this?? And the points this critique makes are actually things that back the authenticity of Fr. M rather than anything that would take away from it. Looks like Dr. Miravalle is totally unaware of other contemporaries of those who also were shown many observations of that "second heaven" as being influenced by demons. Surprise, surprise! And diabolical experiences in youth of those who are called to a later major mission for the Church is something to besmirch such a one? My my, what ignorance of so many others. In fact that's reason for, not against, authenticity of experiences.

So someone has written limitedly, and has part of the alphabet following his name....and that endorses every jab they make against one pretty divorced from their own experiences of life.....esp. when you yourself attack a truly proven one, in his expertise, esp. one in Theology of eschatology, based simply on the remarks and "cracks" of one who himself and his "facts" have been debunked w/ the truth at the time. People need to research and compare the similar experiences of others who have lived the unusual life of a mystic prior to climbing on board with one who speaks only from the balcony rather than the stage!

 

Another view

A Response to Dr. Mark Miravalle’s Article on Fr. Michel Rodrigue

https://dsdoconnor.com/2020/07/14/a-response-to-dr-mark-miravalles-article-on-fr-michel-rodrigue/

 

Ha! You have no idea who he is do you?

He's arguably the leading mariologist and has plenty of "mystical" experience in the field. Don't agree with him? Fine - go ahead and refute the points he made. But to call him out for not having expertise is downright laughable and shows complete ignorance on your part. Especially after posting Daniel's response - who doesn't even come close to the credentials of Dr. Miravalle. He holds an engineering degree, a masters degree and teaches philosophy at a State College. How is it that he is the expert?

Also, Dr. Miravalle is one of the 4 endorsers of Christine Watkin's book - for him to have to clarify in bold that the author used his "endorsement" out of context is a pretty serious thing.

CTTK is ultimately unraveling due to its own poor judgement. And the poor discernment used by them (and those who supported them on the forum) shows just how serious we should take them on any new prophets they endorse.

 

I would like to add regarding Dr. Miravalle's comment regarding what Fr. Rodrigue said about the souls in Purgatory:

Maria Simma, in the book Get us out of Here, also claims that, "In the lowest level satan can still attack the souls whereas he can no longer do that in the higher levels."

 

Earth - I’m going to read what you posted in response to Miravelle. But he sounded like he knew what he was talking about. The JP II in his under shirt encounter is a little strange.

 

Why you must always pass forward misinformation about others is beyond me, but it is definitely a pattern with you. I've probably read about everything that's come from him that got any press. He's a good scholar as are so many good persons. I think he's out of his element when it comes to current day ongoing messages. Such barbs w/ knee-jerk eliciting headline points show no type of a qualified kind of assessment of the unusual breed of mystics....esp. prior to the unfolding moments of the messages themselves. Sheesh! Is Dr Miravalle also an expert in the area of demonology/exorcism/eschatology/or the priesthood? And like so many other "safe" assessments he conveniently leaves out the necessary nuances so involved in the entirety of the person. This is beyond Mariology, in its usual accepted form. And thank God that so many of this current generation of vocations to the Priesthood have backgrounds in business, math, engineering, and more that gives a much broader perspective that gets them out of the balcony that is far from the real life experiences down on the stage! Credentials alone prove nothing of gifted insight and deep discernment.

 

The only way anyone can judge whether he "sounds like he knows what he's talking about" is when that one has an in depth knowledge of Fr. Michel, his life, his death experiences, and all that has made him the receptor of mystical experiences in order to compare w/ what has been stated. I doubt if anyone here can do so....and I doubt if anyone can judge what is predicted prior to the time of the prediction itself! Now that would be moxie!

 

If you've read everything Miravalle, then you'd know enough to not call him inexperienced in his field.

Here's Daniel's (whom you seem to take as an expert) own take on him from his book, seems that he thinks rather highly of his credentials:

"Mark Miravalle, a renowned theologian, Mariologist, and professor at the Franciscan University of Steubenville, is also among today's foremost experts on mysticism in Catholicism." pg 59

""...Mark Miravalle, a bona fide theologian, whom the Vatican has appointed to commissions to investigate private revelations..." pg 60

You are flat out wrong in your assessment of Dr. Miravalle and his expertise on the subject matter. Honestly, you would be hard pressed to find someone more qualified.

Again, disagree on points, but you are very, very wrong about his area of expertise.

In fact, you are the only person I know that has discerned that he is out of his element in this subject matter. It is good of you to share that with us common forum folk - to think, all this time we were mistaken...

 

But that is implicitly a recommendation to look at the link, isn't it?

 

I didn't say he was "inexperienced in his field"....it would be a forum miracle if you ever got your digs correct....but that he doesn't have the background for this kind of analysis, esp. at such a distance, and I mentioned the many levels of experience that this kind of mystical arena requires....beyond Mariology alone. And if you haven't noticed, there are a plethora now of "theologians" these days, but many have not been given the press nor do they probably desire it for their personal discernments.

And yes, thank you, as you mentioned the more objective offering of Daniel O'Connor who does appear to be outside of the knee-jerk analyses of the day. That was already obvious in his response that I posted for others....in the spirit of including other offerings on such an "open" forum.

I've noticed that "flat out wrong" in your own "knee jerk" type of responses to those who offer other things to think about is another norm for your approach.

 

I didn't know that Christine Watkin's book had the imprimatur of the Church; it must have been granted after the first printing of the book?.

From the link to Daniel O'Connor's response to Dr. Miravalle.

I have a copy of the book, and in the first page of endorsements, Dr. Miravalle's endorsement is the third, he states the following:

I know that generally when one is asked to review a book, the author sends the reviewer an advanced copy. This makes me wonder, if one was provided to Dr. Marivalle, why did he wait until now to make his observations about Father Michel?

 

Let me see if this helps.

• My definition of recommend (verb): to present as worthy of confidence, acceptance, use, etc.; commend; mention favorably: to recommend an applicant for a job; to recommend a book.
• The original post, as written:"Well, I just looked this up. There is a blog post about Fr. Iannuzzi's alleged problems with his order. I know the "Unveiling" site has been opposed to Fr. Iannuzzi, so I am just posting the link."
  
• The subtext here, I believe, reveals a certain attempt at neutrality. Just posting, as in "merely posting." As in, "I know there is a dispute here between parties, so I will give (just) a link." Not presenting the link as "worthy of confidence," as in "I recommend this site/argument." More, the diffident, "go and see ... if you want."

 

Why I said you can't have it both ways when your history says something different.....not good when speaking about the possible misgivings of another.

 

In regards to this prophecy by a Benedictine Monk, there is another prophecy about Pope Benedict that I am keeping aware of, which may help to understand what "My messenger and My victim-priest" means from the above message..... From www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org prophecy. 10/17/07 Please read the last part of Apocalypse 12:4. It states: And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered: that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. Now, my people read Apocalypse 12:5: And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod. And her son was taken up to God and to his throne. My church is to rule the nations spiritually through my vicar, the Pope. These verses are literally being fulfilled before your eyes. Pope Benedict XVI is the man child elected through the power of the Holy Spirit to rule with a rod of iron. My son, the Pope is my instrument being used to purify my church. His recent proclamations and decisions are setting my church on the narrow road to heaven. Once his mission is accomplished, he will be taken home to be with his Lord and Master. Then, my people you will see the fulfillment of Daniel 12:11: And from the time when the continual sacrifice shall be taken away and the abomination unto desolation shall be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days and Apocalypse 12:6: And the woman ( or my church) fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that they should feed her, a thousand two hundred sixty days. My people, prepare yourself for persecution, martyrdom, and fleeing to my refuges. Once Satan has been cast down from heaven, read what will take place. My word states in Apocalypse 12:13: And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman who brought forth the man child. Now read Apocalypse 12:17: And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. My people, Satan is going to persecute my church, since he has been cast out of my church. He is going to use lukewarm Catholics, apostate Protestants, and the antichrist to persecute my faithful Catholics. My people the time is shorter than you realize. My church is being purified. I am giving you this warning to prepare those who have ears to hear.

 

Just open up your own Unveiling the Apocalypse post, and leave us here in peace at Countdown, please.

 

Curiously, the Amazon site for The Warning book has this statement:

Daniel O'Connor, Professor of Philosophy, State University, New York. Author of The Crown of Sanctity: On the Revelations of Jesus to Luisa Piccarreta and The Crown of History: The Imminent Glorious Era of Universal Peace

Yet, the online CV has him as "adjunct philosophy professor" at Hudson Valley Community College, Troy, NY. There is a big difference between being "professor of philosophy"--which implies tenure track/stature and demands a PhD--at a state university, versus an adjunct position at the local community college.

This is just another "data point" to use to assess the reliability of the Countdown site and its authors.

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I agree with you. And I’ll keep an open mind as long as the Church does not condemn him. So far he’s obeying his Bishop. So we shall see. In the meantime, we should all prepare.