Do the majority of souls go to hell?

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  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

    The visionaries at Medugorje were shown a vision of hell and one of the striking things they saw was that as people entered the flames they turned into beasts, animals. This , to me shows the withdrawal of the Holy Spirit and so folks into into the realm of the Unforgiveable sin and so are Eternally lost.

    This Spiritual Reality is, I think, very, very hard for us to get a hold of as we are very much on the other side of the divide. This comes across very well in the Parable of Dives and Lazarus.

     
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  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

    The Spiritual Life reminds me of the Human Body. The Skeleton, the bones are the Commandments, the rest the fire of the Spirit bringing freedom. Without the bones the body would fall into a sack of yuk. Further to that the muscles, which we exercise could be compared to Fasting and Penance.

    Further to this the bones, the Commandments and how we keep them are a good test a good lightening rod against self deceit and illusion. If we wonder to ourselves how we are progressing in the Spiritual Life asking ourselves if we are keeping the ten commandments is a very good place to start.

    I remember one time a wonderful story fro a Cistercian Monk who taught the very problematical , 'Centering Prayer', which was supposed to be a pathway to Contemplative Prayer to laypeople locally.

    Anyhow he was very impressed with how people in his class were getting on. One couple were particulary striking and seemed to be soaring onwards to the very summits of the Spiritual Life in double quick time. They invited him to their home in the city and while there he discovered that they were not married, were heavily involved in the taking of psychedelic drugs, Now Age and Occult practises and a number of eye watering illegal and troubling behaviours to finance their hippy life style.:D:D

    The bones just weren't there. The Ten Commandments were a complete irrelevance.

    He gave up teaching Centering Prayer then and there.;)

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  3. sponsa Christi

    sponsa Christi Sponsa Christi Desire of Baptism to be Catholic

    Most souls go to hell for the sins of the flesh.

    I recommend you look into fatima and read the stories there are some great movies to.
     
  4. AED

    AED Powers

    I use the 10 commandments to examine my conscience especially before confession. You are right that they are the bones. It is a clear and direct guide simple to even a child. "Do this and you will live..."

    Funny how people twist and rationalize to avoid them or to deny they are breaking them. I've done it myself. This is a very pedestrian analogy but every night when we come in from the garden we have to check ourselves for deer ticks. They are very small. I have to use a flashlight and a magnifying glass. Once they are embedded they can cause untold damage. I think sin is like that. Seemingly tiny but once it takes hold we see how deadly it really is. To carry the analogy the flashlight and magnifying glass are the commandments. A daily examination is required.
     
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  5. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    Father Brian Harrison, O.S. theologian:

    • It does indeed seem probable, from the words of Jesus, that only a minority will be saved. But the saints who gave extreme and depressing statistical estimates – making that minority a tiny minority – did not have any privileged source of information. They didn't claim to have received private revelations regarding the percentage of those who reach salvation. They were making prudential judgments based on their practical and pastoral experience; but those judgments were of course quite fallible. Sometimes they were preached in sermons literally designed to 'scare the hell out of' people, and so should hence be seen as more rhetorical than strictly theological.

      The bottom line is that we simply do not know for sure, and it would not be good for us to know, whether the majority of souls are saved or lost. Also, it is worth remembering that at Fatima we were taught by Heaven itself to pray, 'Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those who most need thy mercy.'
     
  6. AED

    AED Powers

    Also when Jesus was asked "will few be saved" He said "strive to the enter by the narrow gate" so that is the information we are given. He wouldnt give the disciples numbers.
     
  7. ESanti

    ESanti Angels

    Unfortunately there´s a lot of protestant myths and beliefs that have permeated the Catholic faith, specially in the last decades. One of them, certainly, that there´s a search for an
    "anesthetic cross" during life. There´s no such thing. No one talks of penance. The Real Jesus and what he´s done is often forgotten, believing that everyone is already saved by his passion and there´s nothing left to do. What a dangerous path ! For everyone who die, people use say that the deceased went or now is resting in Heaven, and that´s surely not Catholic. Purgatory not only is in the bible in many citations but is a doctrinal matter. Our Lady has talked directly about it in the 1917 appearances of Fatima. And again, remembering what she asked to the three kids about deciding to "suffer for the salvation of souls". Yes, our sacrifices do save souls, starting for ours. There´s no such thing of having fun all the time. This is purely cultural Marxism & the Frankfurt School (the errors of Russia that have spread all over, literally).

    About the indulgences, there´s a link here to the guide to them.

    God bless you all .

    Prayer is the best weapon we have; it is the key to God's heart. You must speak to Jesus not only with your lips, but with your heart. In fact on certain occasions you should only speak to Him with your heart.Saint Pio of Pietrelcina
     
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  8. KyleHancock

    KyleHancock Principalities

    I agree that in a lot of Protestant denominations there is solely the focus on Christ's sacrifice and less about the keeping of the commandments. My brother attends a church where the pastor said a prayer on an Easter Sunday one year as "fire insurance" for everyone there, especially those who rarely or never make it into a church.
     
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  9. padraig

    padraig Powers

    https://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/160618

    Could you describe your most unpleasant preternatural experience with a patient?

    KJ: It is very difficult to watch someone die who has no faith at all. It nearly always is a struggle and they tend to have significant terminal restlessness, or pre-death agitation. The last chapter of my book [about a patient, "Douglas," whose behavior toward the nurses caring for him was nothing short of demonic] was by far the most unpleasant spiritual experience I've encountered as a nurse.

    Another man who sticks out in my memory was in his early 70s who adamantly refused anyone to enter his room who had any religious affiliation. He made sure we all knew that he didn't want "a priest, a preacher, a nun – nobody is going to talk to me about God." He couldn't stop us from praying for him though, which I think we all did. But how do you help someone who is at the end of their life and refuses God?

    The only thing you can do is pray. His death was quite difficult; his agitation was so severe, very similar to "Mark," who saw Satan in the corner [of his room]. Unlike Mark, this man refused God up until the very end. I don't know what he saw at the end of his life, but it didn't look pleasant. An expression of fear swept across his face before he finally became weaker and weaker and then went unconscious. I still pray for that man after all of these years, as I believe and trust wholeheartedly in God's mercy. I am not his Judge, so you never know. Only God knows the heart of a man.
     
  10. SteveD

    SteveD Powers

    I am re-reading 'The Mystical City of God' by the Ven. Mary of Agreda' an account of the lives of Jesus and Mary and Mary's comments on those accounts. I must have missed it before but was depressed to read that Our Lady said on the matter of free-will and obedience that 'most men ill use it (freewill) and so damn themselves', She said that it was much safer to live under the obedience vowed by priests and religious and to surrender free-will entirely to superiors. Although this is a private revelation the background to it is highly persuasive as to its legitimacy and I certainly tend to believe that its source really is Our Lady. That was stated in the 1600's, it is even more distressing to consider what the situation must be in our own day.
     
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  11. Sunnyveil

    Sunnyveil Archangels

    The 1st commandment always gives me pause in an examination of conscience: I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have strange Gods before me. As Father Blount says, whatever we put 1st in our life in terms of our time, energy, etc becomes our god . It's sometimes so easy to put every other thing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd especially when life and the world become chaotic. Father Blount also says we must dedicate significant time every day to prayer to fulfill this commandment.
     
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  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    An Optimist is someone who thinks everything will work out fine; this is not realistic as very often things do not work out fine.

    A Pessimist is someone who thinks everything will work out badly; this is not realistic as things do work out fine ,very often.

    A Realist is someone who tries on the available evidence to work out a probable outcome; in other words someone who attempts to ground themselves in the available evidence.

    The Church and the World today in general is incredibly Optimistic and, 'Positive'. No matter what you are, what you do, how you choose to act things will turn out fine. So for instance there is no Hell to speak of. No real sense of sin anywhere. If I happen to be a homosexual priest, Bishop or Cardinal and preach the Rankest Heresy, well then that's fien.

    But the Tradition of the Church as taught in the Catholic Cathechism teaches something else. It teaches that those who pray will most certainly be saved, whilst those who do not pray will most certainly be damned.

    So the simple , realistic question we must ask ourselves is if people are praying are not. In my opinion the vast,vast majority of mankind is not praying. As to the Church herself my feeling is that the large majority of Catholics are praying.

    So they are not simply walking but running as fast as they can towards hell.

    This is why the Queen of Heaven is sent, to warn us to pray . repent and believe the Gospel.
     
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  13. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    When I read the description of the church of Thyatira in the book of revelation, I have a certain hope that many will be saved by invincible ignorance:

    REVELATION 2:18-29

    18 “To the angel of the church in Thyatira write:

    These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. 19 I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first.

    20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

    24 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you, 25 except to hold on to what you have until I come.’

    26 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father. 28 I will also give that one the morning star. 29 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
     
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  14. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    God is truly merciful and offers salvation to the last breath. The good thief is so called because he stole paradise.

    Perhaps some are saved near the end of life but God alone knows. We must pray for the dying especially the divine mercy chaplet.
     
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  15. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes! Every day if we can.
     
  16. Praytherosary

    Praytherosary AGE 25 Penace penace penace

    I heard qbout this privste revelation that jesus gives the soul one last chance before death to st faustina and others.
    But many souls still chose to go to hell.
     
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  17. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    That’s so chilling.
     
  18. padraig

    padraig Powers

    If a soul has not wanted anything to do with God it's entire life, I think it very unlikely that ut might choose Gid at the Lady instant .

    It might, but it us very, very unlikely
     
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  19. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I wonder if the good thief Vs bad thief at Calvary whilst being true is also an analogy pointing to the fact that God's mercy is like a hound that chases souls to the last breath. One rejected mercy the other embraced it (despite living a life faithful to the sin of thieving), fifty percent ratio.
     
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  20. Carmel333

    Carmel333 Powers

    I think that also. I fell away for many years and would have been lost if the Lord had not pursued me, that I know. But I also know that my whole childhood and then secretly when I was an adult and away from God that I desired Him. When I was away from God I didn't hate Him or not believe, I was more afraid of Him so I tried not to think about Him or figured I had time later in life to find Him again. The devil basically made me think the Gospel was just a bunch of laws and that I would fail. But after my conversion and talking to all my friends, relatives and acquaintances about the Gospel and God over the years I sadly found out that most are too inclined to either not believe at all, or else just take out all of their grievances on Him, even though they make awful life choices that cause their own suffering mostly. It's very disheartening.....
     
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