So grateful for all of your inputs. My head was spinning too. I do believe she’s brilliant. And I loved that she believes Mary is the key to unveiling the apocalypse. Fatima you have an excellent point May 31, 2026 would be amazing. As for leaving the Carmelite’s, well, at least her background is a solid one. Thank you all. God bless.
What she is doing is a very common theme in the lives of the saints/ founders of the Church. St Teresa of Calcutta, with Church approval left her Loretto Nuns to set up her own order. St Teresa of Avila with Church approval left the Carmelites to set up the Discalced Carmelites. It's an old old story. This sister is acting with full Church approval. Be careful, remember what Rabbi Gameliel said. Lest you fight against God Himself.
The following is a post by Fr. Dwight Longenecker in response to a tweet by Fr Jim Sichko. IS EVERY FAMILY A HOLY FAMILY? My attention was drawn to a tweet by a priest in Kentucky called Fr Jim Sichko. I tried to verify the tweet, but when I looked him up it seems he has blocked me from his account. I can’t understand why because to the best of my memory I can’t remember ever crossing swords with him. But anyway, the tweet was a load of sentimental nonsense along the lines of, “Let us all remember during this time of the Holy Family that all families are holy. Some are heterosexual and some are homosexual. Some are single mothers and some are poor, divorced or widowed.” I certainly don’t want to judge anyone on the basis of one tweet, and tweeting is a fun and dangerous business because of its brevity it is so easy to misunderstand what someone means. However, it was pretty hard not to see this tweet for what it was. It pretended to be a message to raise our awareness and compassion for those who live in irregular and difficult family situations. However, anybody can see that it was really a rather lame attempt to to normalize homosexual unions by putting gay couples into a victim category. The tactic works like this: 1. paint someone or some group as a victim of discrimination 2. push some guilt buttons to raise “compassion” for that group. Note that this is not true compassion. It’s just guilt wearing a compassion mask so the person doesn’t feel so guilty anymore 3. Raise the compassion to the level of advocacy 4. Advocacy must mean acceptance 5. Acceptance must mean condoning 6. Condoning must lead to celebrating. Let’s analyze this a bit. A person or a family is not automatically “holy” simply because they are unusual. This error is similar to the one so prevalent within Catholicism in which people assume that the poor are holy simply an only because they are poor. Being poor in and of itself does not make a person holy. Being a member of a persecuted group in and of itself does not make a person holy. We know this because some persecuted and poor people become bitter, greedy, dishonest, spiteful and cruel because of their condition. Likewise being part of the establishment, being “normal” or well off and respectable doesn’t make you either holy or sinful. We know this because there are plenty of wealthy, well educated and “nice” people who are actually greedy, spiteful, selfish and nasty beneath the surface while there are others who are generous, kind, loving and genuinely holy. Man looks on the outward appearance. God looks at the heart. The members of a family are not holy simply because they are normal and respectable, but neither are members of a family holy simply because they are unusual, unconventional or struggling in some way. The idea that all families are “holy” is a sentimental nonsense. Is a family where the father is a serial adulterer who then takes his well scrubbed nice looking family to church for Christmas Eve a “holy family” I don’t think so. Is an affluent family where the self centered mother has had a string of affairs a holy family just because they are neat and clean and go to church and give lots of money? No. Is a drug addicted prostitute who beats her kids and gives her daughter to her pimp a holy family? Nah. Are gay men who pay a woman to be a surrogate for their child conceived through masturbating into a test tube a holy family? Nope. Is a family where the teenage kids are rebellious, promiscuous drug addicts a holy family? No. Do lesbians who have pretended to make a marriage and have children through sperm donation a holy family? Negative. Is a white supremacist who raises his kids to hate n***ers and Jews the leader of a holy family? Nope. My point is, there are lots of families who are definitely NOT holy–and their outward appearance has nothing to do with it. They might appear to be happy, normal church goers or they might appear to be filthy low life. Their holiness or lack of it has nothing to do with their outward appearance. Does that mean we judge them and condemn them? No. However, we can judge their actions, and certain actions reveal a lack of holiness. So what is “holiness” anyway? To be sinful is to have “fallen short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23) What is the “glory of God” It is a human being fully alive (St Irenaeus) What does it mean to be “fully alive”? It is to be full of grace. Who is “full of grace”? The Blessed Virgin Mary of course. She is full. She is whole. She is complete. She is “holy.” The members of the families I outlined above are not holy because they are not whole. They’re broken. They’re wounded. They’re devastated by sin and selfishness. We look on them with pity not with blame. Furthermore, we look to ourselves and our own broken, dysfunctional and unhappy families and we pray for peace, healing and the wholeness that only God’s grace through the saving work of Christ can bring. Fr Jim is right to draw our attention to the parlous state of the family in our society today, but he’s wrong in saying all families are holy. The beautiful thought, however, is that although our families are not holy–they can be. Through repentance, reconciliation, renewal and release all of us can attain holiness, but that is a long, hard journey… The journey that begins in a moment of self surrender and a journey that takes of a lifetime to complete. December 30th, 2019|Categories: Blog|0 Comments Share This Post, Choose Your Platform! FacebookTwitterLinkedInRedditTumblrPinterestEmail LISTEN NOW The opinions expressed on this blog are the personal views of Dwight Longenecker and do not reflect the positions of either Our Lady of the Rosary parish or the Diocese of Charleston. 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Thanks. I did as you suggested and watched those three videos. Short and to the point, they're excellent and, because they are short, I will most likely watch them again a few times.
Me too. His grasp of history puts things in perspective although he does say this crisis in the Church is unique and very dangerous.
Yes, it's beyond twisted. Michael Voris/Church Militant really flew into a rage about this priest on Twitter today. In true Voris style, he had some choice words for him. It was pretty bad.
Michael’a reply to Father’s tweet was a bit harsher than mine. I only posted this meme in reply, yes this is my real name. Please all feel free to connect on the Twitter and FB, God knows who I am, you all should as well https://twitter.com/tomkuipers/status/1211435287181705218?s=21
FatimaPilgrim, your tweet was certainly not in the same category as Michael's. I pretty much felt the same way I saw first saw that tweet. I was in disbelief, thinking how offensive this was to The Holy Family. God have mercy on Fr. Sichko.
Dolours, Falling Upwards was in reality part of the curriculum of my Deacon Formation, and the instructor, Fr. Phillips, allowed for the lively discussions which flowed from Fr. Rohr's hypothesis. As always, one can't paint the whole kit and kabbutal wrong, but then, it doesn't take much arsenic to kill oneself. Here is how I experienced Fr. Rohr's theory in my own life: In my 20's I experienced personally and corporately the power of the Holy Spirit through the Charismatic Renewal, as did many of my friends. There was the reality of Christ's love, the healing power of the Holy Spirit, an opening to the truth and beauty of Holy Scripture. This can be seen as mirroring the experience of Peter, James, and John at the Transfiguration; they saw the Glory and wanted to build some booths/tents to hang out. But notice that the subject matter of Jesus' discussion with Elijah and Moses was His upcoming Passion. With the joy and splendor of Jesus' Glory on display, the three Apostles just didn't grasp the full truth. Similarly, neither did I. It is the purifying and necessary work of the Cross in my life, in all our lives, that brings maturity and wisdom. God doesn't will to heal everyone, but each of us is tested. Still, few of us will experience the ultimate Cross of the Dark Night of the Soul. Thank the Lord that He gifts us with plenary indulgences. Anyway, I believe the Cross is the bridge from the first half of life to the second half of life, as Richard Rohr partially suggests. I remain a baby Christian by wanting the joys and dodging the pain on life's journey. Now where Fr. Rohr takes things too far, lies in his idea of the rigidity (Gee, where have I heard that?) of morals: he equates it with prideful judgment and the danger of carrying such judgments against various persons (ex. homosexuals). Rohr concludes such "judgments" must be dispensed with to move from the first half to the second half. But with the Lord, it is behavior that is judged, not persons in and of themselves. In His discussion with the Pharisees, Jesus laid the foundation for a sexual ethic based on the two creation stories. He confirmed the absolute nature of authentic human sexuality. In so doing, Jesus lets us know that there are lines that cannot be crossed, and that, not all rigidity is to be dispensed with. For the sake of the little ones, Jesus inserts rigidity and the Cross into our sexual behavior: self-denial for the sake of the other is true love. Of course, Rohr attempts to insinuate arrogance on the part of us who hold firm. It's possible to be arrogant, but not necessarily true. For me, this is where Rohr's concept goes astray. And Amoris Laetitia is a living example of going astray. Lord have mercy! O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
It has been pointed out by a few people on the internet that this freemasonic pose is also seen on the pectoral cross worn by Bergoglio. Francis' Pachamama Concert: What Do the Crossed Arms Mean? https://gloria.tv/post/1k4iUBpMBWW8ExiYdwGzJgB8V +
At 34:46 mark she says: : "I confess I Will be disappointed if the grace of the Illumination will be delayed much longer" (she wants it happen in 2020)". I didn't find that good at all. God knows the time and we must accept his will. In my opinion, this kind of work of trying to decipher the moment when things will happen, by itself, is a sign that one is being led by an evil spirit. She heard her own voice, curious and eager to know when it will all happen. This is not a call from God. She talks too much, gave me a headache.
You Know DeGaulle I think there is a Cardinal Sin, but from what I can remember he is one of the Good Guys.
Dolours said: ↑ ...I have one question for you: would you risk letting any young person in your care fall under the influence of Fr. Rohr and his ilk? Think carefully about that because Fr. Rohr and his ilk are the present and foreseeable future of the Church until God decides to put a stop to their gallop. They like to portray themselves as shining a light in the darkness but is that what they are actually doing or are they portraying darkness as light? Dolours and Mario When I commented about being battered and wrestling with intellectual existentialism, I was not just referring to Fr. Rohr's hypothesis. In my mind, I was also adding the pachamama alliance video, and the previous Teilhard de Chardin videos and I was sort of worried for you Dolours to say the truth! You are a strong women and I don't want to see you ground down in the Mira that watching so much distortion can bring. I actually feel for poor Fr Rohr I believe he has been given some truths in his searching but he has gone off the rails and is in need of our prayers. God Bless you both
How beautifully and very charitably put. You remind me to work on my own charity. Some of these people drive me crazy. The truth is important but you remind that charity is important too. I must try to adopt a more charitable tone, but these people really are the limit.
I remember my Spiritual Director one time that a bad a priest is far , far worse than a bad layperson. A bad layperson will do mostly material harm, whereas a bad priest will do mostly spiritual harm, which is far, far worse. Imagine then the untold harm a bad Bishop , Cardinal or Pope can do. Such people are demons incarnate. Second Judas's.
We are in very strange times. The above article originated in the Remnant Newspaper. What bothered me was the fact that sentences of the Pope were extracted from the text of his speech and commented on independent of the context (though the misquote of Mahler stands out like a sore thumb). It is easy to look at buzz words the Holy Father speaks in order to confirm our previous conclusions. So I went and read the full speech at the Vatican website and saw that while warnings went off in my head, the intent of Pope Francis did not appear so focused or devious. So I conclude, let us not become lost in this titanic war of words. Even if the Church is slipping into two camps with each claiming fidelity as its flag and pointing fingers at the "enemy", let us rather, expend our energies on living the Sermon on the Mount and sharing the Gospel of truth. If I fail to do so and continue on this merry-go-round of accusation, then the Lord may point the finger at me one day and say: "I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoer.(Lk 7:23)" For the month of January, I'm committing to avoid threads such as "The Vatican has Fallen" and spend the saved time in prayer. Maybe I'll go join Brother Mark's community! So if you see me here on this thread, please immediately chastise me. O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
I just might join you, Mario We can always dredge up some words or articles somewhere to bolster our viewpoint no matter how outrageous it might be. Thinking sincerely of joining you. You are a brave soul. God bless.
Dolours, I am not totally sure that we are at the stage of the False Church of ACE’s vision. We still have the valid Mass.
