The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    A little sucking up to his pal can help too.

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  2. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    What an absolutely wonderful quote from In Sinu Jesus!

    This is Our Shepherd speaking, no doubt!
     
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  3. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

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  4. Dolours

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    He didn't need to do any sucking up. It was all organised in advance. Boff, McCarrick and others, all on different continents, were somehow inspired to make almost identical statements about Francis transforming the Church. They all somehow managed to be infused with this knowledge as "Habeus Papam" was being announced and the hierarchy were expressing their surprise and delight at the "God of Surprises" gifting Christ's Church with an unknown Pope from the ends of the earth. I suppose we should be grateful that they didn't try to sell us raffle tickets for a bridge in the Sahara while they were at it.

    I suspect that someone with the time and resources to investigate the links would find that they all lead back to the late Jesuit Cardinal Martini, founder of the St. Gallen group. Basically, what we've got is Pope Martini. Did you know that Martini retired to Israel and only moved back to Italy when he discovered he had a terminal illness? What amazes me about him is that when anyone else would have been praying for a happy death he was giving a newspaper interview about the Church being 100 years behind the times.
     
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  5. Dolours

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    Don't worry. A far greater power than anyone who'll be at the Synod has told us there's a fix on the way. All we have to do is pray and wait. Some lovely prayers in the appendix:

    https://www.amazon.com/Sinu-Jesu-Speaks-Journal-Priest/dp/1621382192
     
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  6. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    The problem with these people is that they think in earthly terms - they are like administrators and not shepherds -- they think it is their church.

    The forget that Christ said 'I will build my Church'.
     
  7. AED

    AED Powers

    His name crops up frequently. I think you have just "discovered the missing link:
     
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  9. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I had a very vivid dream last night. I dreamt I was driving home through the north of the city and there was a massive explosion so big the ground itself shook. I saw other cars had stopped and were looking at the sky

    There was a huge very black cloud as high as I could see I dreamt of planes fighting in the sky.

    Who knows what such things mean

    But actions have consequences. There will be a bill to pay for the Mass Apostasy and Heresy in the Church; a huge, huge bill
     
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  10. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

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    Leader of St. Gallen ‘mafia’, “Ante-Pope” Martini prepared the way for Francis
    cardinal carlo martini, contraception, humanae vitae, pope francis, st. gallen mafia

    March 9, 2018 (Crisis Magazine) — Before his death in 2012, Cardinal Carlo Martini eerily called himself an “ante-pope,” a “precursor and preparer for the Holy Father.”

    Martini was the leading antagonist to Popes John Paul II and Benedict—a Jesuit famous for groaning that the Church was “200 years behind.” In Night Conversations with Cardinal Martini, he cringed at the “major damage” caused by Humanae Vitae. The Church spoke “too much” about the sixth commandment and sin. He said legal abortion was, ultimately, “positive.”

    For Martini saw himself as a dreamer who kept us “open to the surprises of the Holy Spirit.” Hadn’t the prophet Joel said that your sons and daughters would prophesy and your old men would dream dreams? The old cardinal dreamed of young “prophets” who’d criticize the Church and a “strong middle generation” who’d effect “changes.”

    Martini said that in “preparation” for the 2005 papal election, he and others discussed the “new answers” that the next pope would “have to give” on sexuality and Communion for adulterers. For Martini was the leader of the St. Gallen “mafia,” the anti-Ratzinger group that wanted a “much more modern” Church under Cardinal Bergoglio.

    According to Austen Ivereigh’s The Great Reformer, Cardinal Bergoglio quoted Martini frequently and was introduced by him to the Gallen group after the two Jesuits reconnected in 2001. Cardinal Bergoglio placed second in the 2005 conclave, amidst a “dramatic struggle.” The group reportedly ceased meeting the following year, and Martini—long sick with Parkinson’s—died in 2012.

    But in a fiery last interview published immediately after his death, the ante-pope burned with disdain.

    The Church was “tired,” its rites were “pompous,” and he who had dreamed of a “young church” now stared at countless ashes. How he wanted the embers beneath the ashes to burn! Where were the men who burned for the spreading of the “spirit”? Where were the men who would preach “discernment” and carry the Eucharist to those in “complex family situations”?

    “Are we afraid? Fear instead of courage?” he cried.

    As Ivereigh notes, Cardinal Bergoglio could soon be heard quoting the jeremiad, telling the embers to burn beneath the ashes of a Church that kept Jesus “tied up in the sacristry.”

    Months later, the “Martini Pope”—as Sandro Magister puts it—now reigned. Pope Francis soon praised Martini as “prophetic”—a “father for the whole church”—and hailed his agenda of “focusing” on synods. In 1999, Martini “had a dream” of hurtling the Church into “permanent” synodality—that is, permanent revolution. The decentralized, “synodal” Church would foment changes on marriage, sexuality, penitential practice, priestly celibacy, women in the Church, ecumenism.

    So at the rigged Synod on the Family, one Gallen alumnus, Cardinal Kasper, pushed for Communion for adulterers and another—who had told a king to legalize abortion and a sexual abuse victim to seek forgiveness—waxed poetic about “the womb of mercy.” A leading Martini disciple, Archbishop Bruno Forte, drafted the interim report on the “positive” aspects of sins against purity—and later laughed that Pope Francis had promised to “draw out the conclusions” for Kasper’s proposal because speaking “plainly” would’ve made a “terrible mess.”

    Cardinal Baldisseri—who, according to The Rigging of a Vatican Synod?, was overheard explaining how he’d manipulate that synod—calls this year’s synod on young people a “continuation of the subject of the family.” He says the youths bemoaning Church “prohibitions” via web surveys and Facebook will marvelously prophesy what Christ wants to “cut out.”

    “As in the days of Samuel and Jeremiah, young people know how to discern the signs of our times, indicated by the Spirit,” the synod’s preparatory document intones. That text, as Matthew McCusker shows, is pervaded with Modernism, which heretically claims that doctrines come from “experience” and thus must “evolve.”

    Modernists—as Pope St. Pius X warned—hold that “truth is no more immutable than man himself, since it evolved with him, in him, and through him.”

    At a pre-synodal planning seminar with Baldisseri, one young prophet invoked her sage “experience” to lament how “closed” the Church is to those with “radical” views on issues like transgenderism. In other remarks published by the Vatican, she extolled a fourteen-year-old who “need[ed] to create her own religion to find one that is welcoming.”

    Another young prophet announced: “The pope asked us to ‘make chaos,’ that’s precisely what we’re doing.”

    Indeed, Pope Francis had urged the young—specifically “agnostics,” those “estranged” from the Church, and “atheists”—to “criticize” the Church in fulfillment of Joel 3:1-2. “‘The old will dream dreams, and the young will prophesy,’ namely, with prophecies they will take concrete things forward,” he explained.

    He was quoting Martini once again, for the ante-pope had dreamed all this, too. Grandiosely invoking Joel in Night Conversations, Martini presaged that the “things we are waiting for” would gust in “via the uninhibited qualities of young people.” The Church “can’t teach young people anything.” It “can only help them to listen to their inner master.” Being taught by the young is a new “pastoral principle.”

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  11. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    (cont. from above)

    They were Martini’s “glowing coals”—“working to save the world” with their leftist politics, forging new “beginnings” with their “less inhibited approach to sexuality.” Were they “still interested in criticizing us, the Church”?

    For their sake, Martini had dreamed of a pope who’d admit Humanae Vitae’s “mistakes”—a pope who wouldn’t need to retract the encyclical because he’d just “write a new one.”

    In 2014 Pope Francis was asked if the Church could “take up again” the topic of contraception, for “Cardinal Martini believed it was now time.” He replied that “it all depends on how … Humanae Vitae is interpreted”—and now one of his top theologians, a Pontifical Academy for Life member, says some circumstances “require contraception” under Amoris Laetitia.

    Other members of the deconstructed pro-life academy defend aborting children and say we’ve evolved past that wispy term “intrinsically evil” because Pope Francis says “time is greater than space.” The new dean of the similarly subverted John Paul II Institute—who wrote books with Martini and organized a radical “shadow synod”—sits on the commission set to “re-interpret” Humanae Vitae on the sly.

    “If it gets too peaceful in the Church,” the ante-pope taught, just recall Christ’s “desire to throw a flaming torch of inspiration onto the earth.”

    So once the ante-pope’s torch has burned into Humanae Vitae, burned into the very notion of intrinsic evil, the permanent revolution will blaze forward. It will show us why Martini called Luther a “great reformer” and said “you cannot make God Catholic”; why next year’s Amazon synod will crusade for married priests and women deacons; why the Germans are letting some Protestants receive the Eucharist and a respected Vaticanist says an “ecumenical mass” is being readied; why Pope St. Pius X cried of the Modernists: “What is there left in the Church which is not to be reformed according to their principles?”

    Then, like some strong and ominous wind, it will sweep aside the ashes to unveil the ante-pope’s “utopia,” where everyone ends up “transparent and accepted by everyone else.” Then the prophets will cry, with the dreamer, that “the times are long gone when the Church could talk you into having a guilty conscience.” Then the sons and daughters will prophesy that—according to the logic condemned by Ven. Fulton Sheen—there is no Hell, no sin, no judge, and no judgment and so evil is good and good is evil.

    Then it shall be as the old ante-pope had dreamed.

    That is why we must pray and make reparation and speak out, now.

    This article was originally published on Crisis Magazine and is re-published with permission.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinio...a-ante-pope-martini-prepared-the-way-for-fran
     
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  12. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

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  13. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Great article
    Such evil abounds
     
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  14. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    That too. But I suspect it goes beyond that... far beyond that...

    And as always, the Queen of Heaven came to warn us far in advance at Akita and various other places:

    "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other priests); churches and altars will be sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord. "

     
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  15. Dolours

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    (cont. below)[/QUOTE]
    Ah yes, even Scalfari, the atheist journalist and prophet, had links to Martini. But we're all supposed to take at face value that he happened to write a column in his newspaper, the Pope happened to read and respond to it, resulting in unrecorded interviews with Scalfari announcing to the world what the Holy Spirit had in store for the Catholic Church.

    I suppose I should correct the spelling in my earlier post. It should be "Habemus Papam". Then again, if the people in St. Peter's Square had known then what we all know now, "Habeas Corpus" might have been a more appropriate response to the "Buona Sera" greeting.

    Probably the biggest deception of all in this web of deceit is the Latin Americans thinking we have a Pope from "the peripheries". The fact is that we have a papacy planned and moulded very much in the centre of the most corrupt faction in the European Church. Made in the image and likeness of a Milanese Mason who very likely was also homosexual. Unable to get himself elected Pope, he selected a disgruntled Jesuit to mould and shape in secret - one who would keep his head down and not make the same mistakes as Martini had made when he openly opposed the Deposit of Faith before he was in a position to destroy it.

    Bishops keep telling us now that the seminaries have been cleaned up and are giving us fewer but good priests. What about the Jesuits? What are they ordaining? A Society headed by a man who believes Jesus only saw a symbol fall from Heaven and the Gospels are questionable because the Apostles didn't have tape recorders? I'll sell you that bridge in the desert if you believe anything has changed in the so-called Society of Jesus. And you only have to look at the twitter feed of that young Franciscan priest (linked elsewhere on the forum) to get the impression that a functional brain is optional for the Franciscans.

    Meanwhile, the fruits thus far of the McCarrick/Parolin deal with China have resulted in two Bishops presented to us by the Chinese Communist government. But that's ok because they had an exhibition of Vatican museum pieces in Beijing and the Communists did a nice presentation about Pope Francis. The icing on the cake is that Spadaro was awarded for his loyalty with a junket to Beijing (I don't think he was one of the exhibits). I wonder did he stay in the same seminary as McCarrick. Meanwhile, the same Chinese government cracks down ever harder on our Chinese brothers and sisters in Christ. And a few Chinese Catholics got a junket to Germany for a European conference on artificial intelligence and faith. I kid you not.

    By their fruits we are certainly getting to know them.

    I'm editing this to add a caution to anyone reading it. The solution is not to abandon the Church - the one and only Church founded by Jesus Christ outside of which there is no salvation. Cowards run away. Saints endure to the end. Faith and prayer can move mountains. Belief that God is all powerful comes with the belief that He hears our prayers. And we must pray that Martini, for all his talk about fire, isn't experiencing the fire that produces no ashes.

    Imagine the effect on the Church if all those Chinese Communist priests and bishops are transformed by the grace Jesus promised His priests in In Sinu Jesu. God often brings good from evil.
     
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  16. AED

    AED Powers

    A week ago I had a similar dream. I was standing next to a man and we were near a very tall building. He said to me "it's too late. We cant stop them now." And suddenly there was a huge explosion and big chunks of stone were falling and I woke up.
     
  17. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yes I think there's a really big war coming. I've dreamt about this time after time lately.

    War.

    One of the Of the Four Horses of the Apocalypse.

    Mentioned time and time again in Catholic Prophecy.

    I don't know the older I get the stupider War seems.

    Italy will be one of the first to go of course Rome included; I wonder how that will fit in with the Grand Vatican scheme of things? No more Vatican, no more plots.
    Rome will burn; we know this from Prophesy. Still they plot like crazy.

    The fools.
     
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  18. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    First thing that came to my head was the thought of that old Zero Mostel/Gene Wilder film, 'Springtime for Hitler'!
     
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  19. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    The words escape me..

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/new-rome-pastoral-guidelines-raise-eyebrows

    Vicar general of Rome establishes guidelines to build the 'Church of the future'

    ROME (ChurchMilitant.com) - Recently, vicar general of his holiness for the diocese of Rome, Cdl. Angelo De Donatis, was the subject of much controversy in Italian Catholic circles for his choice of unprecedentedly unconventional language to address the Roman clergy.

    A couple of letters delivered to Roman parishes in July 2019 were unusually informal, as they also contained specifications that could be read as contrary to what the Church teaches about cardinal virtues. The letters aimed to offer guidelines for the formation of the new pastoral teams for the year of 2019–2020.

    In the July 11 letter, the informality preceded the inappropriate descriptions given for the requirements for the new pastoral enactments of the de facto bishop of Rome:

    I'll take advantage of the summer rest to write you this letter and speak to you in a more open and confidential way about the pastoral year ahead of us. As you know, the process of conversion and renewal taking place in our Diocese … requires the creation, in each parish … of a pastoral team that can take care of everyone's path. … I advise you to choose twelve people. …

    Don't look among those who have shown to be prudent, measured and detail-oriented, but on the contrary, look for people "outside the lines" [a clear reference to controversial St. Gallen Mafia's Jesuit, Cdl. Carlo Maria Martini, who left an interview to be published after his death advising "the Pope and the bishops to seek out twelve people outside the lines for administrative positions"], people whom the Holy Spirit has made passionate about imbalance [emphasis in original].

    We don't need competent and qualified professionals as much as Christians who are apparently like everyone else but, in reality, are able to dream, to infect others with their dreams and eager to experience new things.

    It's fundamental to note that in Italian the word squilibrio [imbalance], when applied to persons, is mainly used to denote mental or moral issues, as noted even by Catholic newspaper La Croix: "Francis used the word squilibrio, which can have other meanings besides disequilibrium — such as insanity or craziness."

    Vatican expert Aldo Maria Valli, known for being one of the Italian journalists who met with Abp. Carlo Maria Viganò previous to the publication of his bombshell testimony accusing Pope Francis of covering up for McCarrick last summer, wrote: "We must abandon the old concept that the process of conversion requires personal prayer, constant turning to God, love for Jesus. No, true conversion requires the creation of a pastoral team (just for convenience, we might as well call it soviet, collective, or cell)."

    There was a time in which the Church believed the gifts of the Holy Spirit were wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord. But this is now forever obsolete.Tweet

    About the dainty demand for "passionate imbalance," Valli observed: "This is definitely speaking clearly! There was a time in which the Church believed the gifts of the Holy Spirit were wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord. But this is now forever obsolete."

    In the letter, Cdl. De Donatis also quotes an article from Vatican insider Luigi Accatoli centered around Cdl. Carlo Maria Martini's last interview.

    Accatoli uses Martini's idea of choosing 12 men "who try new things" to develop his own piece of "advice" to bishops, so they dare choose "courageous explorers" for a "Church in exit."

    Continued...
     
  20. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Accatoli coyly begins the piece stating that his is "an unrequested advice that nobody will follow." Considering the current dynamics of the Roman Curia, it's hard to imagine this was just a coincidental irony and that Accatoli had no idea his "advice" would end up as justification for pastoral guidelines in the most important diocese of the Christian world.

    Regarding this particular choice, Valli said: "It's beautiful that his Eminence, in order to reinforce his argumentation, doesn't turn to a saint, a Church father, a theologian, a Pope, like in the old-fashioned days, but to a journalist."

    De Donatis' letter continues: "Will they [the new members of the pastoral teams] make mistakes? Possibly." But the cardinal believes it's worth the risk since the kind of people he wants recruited are more capable of "creatively listening to reality" and therefore they'll be of great help in the process of "building the Church of the future."

    Valli closes his commentary by stating he finds it "comforting" to know that De Donatis concludes his letter not trusting the future unbalanced pastoral teams of Rome to saints and patrons, but to the support of the "Diocese and the Pastoral Offices," with capital letters, "as in all great nomenklatura."


    The second letter, released July 31 to the Fidei Donum priests of the diocese of Rome, corroborated the cardinal's demands for the choice of new pastoral operators. De Donatis reiterated the importance of choosing people who are "outside the lines" and "passionate about imbalance" [emphasis in original], instead of being "prudent, measured and detail-oriented."

    The conclusion of the letter reads: "I have wanted to share these reflections with you so that you can accompany us with charitable prayer, as well as feel part of the path of pastoral conversion to which your bishop exhorts you to follow."

    The appeal to his authority in this second letter could be interpreted as a response to all the criticism generated by the first official letter.

    The announcement of the creation of new pastoral teams had been made in a previous letter to the clergy written immediately after Rome's diocesan assembly last May. In that letter, the vicar general said, "[A]ll the Auxiliary Bishops, Prefects, and Directors of Diocesan Offices will gather to develop a text with practical guidelines, according to the indications and behaviors suggested by the Pope."

    All implies that Cdl. De Donatis, who's been in Pope Francis' good graces since the beginning of the pontificate, is duly complying with the Pope's resolutions. Take for instance the words of the Pontiff's address to the diocesan assembly, which highlighted the Gospels as an "unbalanced doctrine," saying that "the beatitudes deserve the Nobel Prize of imbalance," to the delight of one of his most unbalanced sidekicks, editor-in-chief of Vatican-vetted newspaper La Civiltà Cattolica, Antonio Spadaro, S.J.

    And last week, Il Messagero's Vatican expert, Franca Giansoldati, affirmed that not only De Donatis is "considered a loyal executor of Pope Francis' thought," as he also is "dutifully working to shape the Pontiff's diocese according to accurate directives he receives directly from the Pope."

    Cardinal De Donatis' loyalty to Pope Francis has become so known in Rome that Church historian Mirticeli Medeiros has even ventured a prediction, forecasting that the cardinal is likely to be nominated by Pope Francis as a "papable" candidate for the next conclave.
     

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