The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Enough from the naive so called "educated elite" prelates. The Church, and humble people in general, have suffered enough from such types. Another one from the "oracle":


    Jesuit Chief: No Country Has the Right to Turn Away Migrants

    ROME — The superior general of the Jesuits declared this week that no country has the right to turn away migrants, claiming the land belongs to everyone.

    “The challenge for a country that receives migrants is not only reception, but integration, which means receiving the contribution that immigrants bring,” said Jesuit Father Arturo Sosa Abascal in an interview with Tempi.it.

    “They come to make a contribution, which is greater than what they receive from the host country,” he claimed, seemingly without evidence.

    “Italians must remember their own experience,” he continued.

    “They came to Latin America, including my country of Venezuela, and they were welcomed; they became part of society in the same way as everyone else, and today they are not considered ‘different’,” he said, drawing a somewhat dubious comparison between the largely legal migration of Italians to South America and Europe’s largely unregulated migrant crisis.

    “In Europe we must recognize the contribution that migrants make to the societies that receive them and thank them for it,” the Jesuit added.

    Then, in one of his more controversial claims, Father Sosa said that nations have no right to enforce their borders because in the end, the land belongs to everyone.

    “Those who live in a given territory have no right to turn away migrants,” he said, “because they have no absolute right to that territory. They do not own it; the goods of the land are for everyone.”

    “I do not see a conflict of rights — those of migrants and those of those who already live in the place — but the opportunity for a human dialogue to create a universal fraternity through these movements of populations due to various reasons: wars, persecutions, poverty, the search for a better life,” he said.

    “Everyone’s rights are the same. The first is to be recognized as human beings equal to all other human beings,” he said.

    Turning to the issue of modern political movements, Father Sosa said that populism is dangerous, alleging it is an authoritarian ideology.

    “There are various populisms, as well as sovereignisms, that we find within fundamentalism,” he said, “sovereignism” being a term for belief in independent nation-states.

    “Populism conceals various forms of authoritarianism under the blanket of the representation of the people. It takes a great deal of political discernment,” he said, adding that it represents an “ideological form.”

    “One thing is a political idea, another is an ideology,” he claimed.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...-country-has-the-right-to-turn-away-migrants/


     
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  2. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I am sticking with St.Pope John Paul who said countries do have a right to their sovereignty.
     
  3. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    That poor man needs to give his mind a rest. A hobby should help. Something like this would be a good fit for him:

     
  4. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Ah Dolours, you make me laugh! :LOL: Sometimes I wish this Jesuit Superior would come out and tell us that all of his outlandish views are a big spoof!:( I wonder how big the choir is to whom he preaches?:eek::rolleyes:

    O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
     
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  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Total Insanity
     
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  6. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Not long before he died in 1226 Saint Francis made a Prophesy (Or was supposed to have..it was that long ago ; who knows?)

    'There will be great trials and afflictions, perplexities and and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal , will abound ; the Charity of many will grow cold and the malice of the Wicked will increase. The devils will have unusual power'.

    This was realised in 1378 with the schism. God's Remedy was St Catherine of Sienna , Doctor of the Church. Catherine was kind of outside the box. She was not really a nun as such and so a member of a Third Order and this gave her great freedom of action.

    St Francis's Prophecy can be even more perfectly applied to our own days.

    It occurs to me tha God's Remedy will be partly the same to send a Great Saint(s) to save us.

    I am really looking forward to seeing her (Him/ them) in action.:):):)

     
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  7. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    That long ago? Sure, they had no tape recorders in those unsophisticated days.
     
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  8. padraig

    padraig Powers

    There is one thing I think history can teach us, right from the Old Testament and that is when He comes with power to Heal His people He comes from right outside the box.

    He sends a shepherd.

    He sends a maiden.

    He sends a Carpenter.

    The Holy Spirit is such a Jack in the Box; such a God of Surprises.

     
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  9. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Not to worry, Mario. With any luck Fr. Sosa will realise that his talents are best suited to the entertainment industry where there's a much bigger choir . Should that happen, Rowan Atkinson had better watch out:
     
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  10. AED

    AED Powers

    YES! Never the way you expect it. Always outside the box. Even with individual souls He does this. At least in my life and others I've observed.
     
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  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    The Devil is boring, God is always exciting. The Devil likes to convince us the other way around. I picture hell as more like a muddy garbage dump than a Night CLub.
     
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  12. Ha! ha! It seems the only ones defending the Faith in Truth these days are those who are in the trenches actually experiencing the reality of the spiritual world.

    Exorcists to Jesuit head: Satan is real

    Vatican City, Aug 23, 2019 / 11:49 am (CNA).- An international organization of Catholic exorcists said Thursday that the existence of Satan as a real and personal being is a truth of Christin doctrine.

    “The real existence of the devil, as a personal subject who thinks and acts and has made the choice of rebellion against God, is a truth of faith that has always been part of Christian doctrine,” the International Association of Exorcists said in an Aug. 22 press release.

    The organization’s release came in response to recent remarks on the devil from Jesuit superior general Fr. Arturo Sosa, SJ, which the organization called “grave and confusing.”

    The exorcists said they released their statement to provide “doctrinal clarification.”

    Sosa made headlines earlier this weekwhen he told Italian magazine Tempi that “the devil exists as a symbolic reality, not as a personal reality.”

    The devil “exists as the personification of evil in different structures, but not in persons, because is not a person, is a way of acting evil. He is not a person like a human person. It is a way of evil to be present in human life,” Sosa said.

    Citing a long history of Church teaching on the nature of Satan, including several citations from Pope Francis and his recent predecessors, the exorcists’ organization said that Catholics are bound to believe that Satan is a real and personal being, a fallen angel.

    “The Church, founded on Sacred Scripture and on Apostolic Tradition officially teaches that the devil is a creature and a personal being, and she cautions those who, like Father Sosa, consider him only a symbol.”

    Sosa’s remarks are “outside the ordinary and extraordinary-solemn magisterium” of the Church, the exorcists said.

    The International Association of Exorcists is an “association of the faithful” formally approved by the Vatican’s Congregation for Clergy in 2014. Among its founders was well known exorcist Fr. Gabrele Amorth, who died in 2016.

    Sosa, 70, was elected the Society of Jesus’ superior general in 2016. A Venezuelan, he has a pontifical licentiate in philosophy and a doctorate in political science. He served as a Jesuit provincial superior in Venezuela from 1996 to 2004, and in 2014 began an administrative role at the general curia of the Jesuits in Rome.

    Sosa has offered controversial comments about Satan in the past. In 2017, he told El Mundo that “we have formed symbolic figures such as the Devil to express evil.”

    After his 2017 remark generated controversy, a spokesman for Sosa told the Catholic Herald that “like all Catholics, Father Sosa professes and teaches what the Church professes and teaches. He does not hold a set of beliefs separate from what is contained in the doctrine of the Catholic Church."

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/exorcists-to-jesuit-head-satan-is-real-45628






     
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  13. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/m...s-claim-that-god-wills-diversity-of-religions

    August 22, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – A multi-faith “higher committee” was announced this week to implement the “Human Fraternity” document signed by Pope Francis and a Grand Imam in February that stated, among other things, that a “pluralism and diversity” of religions is “willed by God.”

    Prominent members of the committee that has been set up in Abu Dhabi include Pope Francis’ personal secretary Monsignor Yoannis Lahzi Gaid, Bishop Miguel Ángel Ayuso Guixot, President of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, and Judge Mohamed Mahmoud Abdel Salam, Advisor to the Grand Imam.

    News of the committee’s formation was announced by Emirates News Agency, the state news agency, on Monday and confirmed by Vatican News, the Holy See’s news website, the following day.

    The Committee has been tasked with “developing a framework to ensure the objectives of the global Declaration of Human Fraternity” for World Peace and Living Together are realized.” These objectives include the promotion of the “ideals of tolerance and cooperation,” according to Vatican News. It remains unclear at this point who formed the committee and gave the committee its mission.

    Grand Imam of Al Azhar Al Sharif said the formation of the higher committee comes at a time when all peace lovers are required to unite and join the efforts to spread coexistence, brotherhood, and tolerance throughout the world, reported Emirates News Agency in an August 22 report.

    The Grand Imam urged the committee members to spread the principles of the “Human Fraternity” document across the world so as to achieve security, coexistence, and peace for everyone, stressing that spreading the principles of the document would contribute to security and stability around the world.

    The Declaration has been widely criticized for claiming that a “diversity of religions” is “willed by God,” a statement incompatible with Catholic doctrine. It says: “The pluralism and the diversity of religions, colour, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom, through which He created human beings.”

    Critics say this amounts to putting the Catholic faith and its worship of the God of revelation on a same plane with religions that do not worship the true God and deliberate reject Him. It also contradicts the teaching according to which there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church.

    In a direct exchange between Pope Francis and Bishop Athanasius Schneider that took place in March 2019, Pope Francis said that the phrase in question on the diversity of religions meant “the permissive will of God,” giving explicit permission to Bishop Schneider to quote his words.

    Following his meeting with Pope Francis, Bishop Schneider told Diane Montagna of LifeSiteNews:

    “I tried to go more deeply into the question, at least by quoting the sentence as it reads in the document. The sentence says that as God wills the diversity of sexes, color, race and language, so God wills the diversity of religions. There is an evident comparison between the diversity of religions and the diversity of sexes.

    “I mentioned this point to the Holy Father, and he acknowledged that, with this direct comparison, the sentence can be understood erroneously. I stressed in my response to him that the diversity of sexes is not the permissive will of God but is positively willed by God. And the Holy Father acknowledged this and agreed with me that the diversity of the sexes is not a matter of God’s permissive will.

    “But when we mention both of these phrases in the same sentence, then the diversity of religions is interpreted as positively willed by God, like the diversity of sexes. The sentence therefore leads to doubt and erroneous interpretations, and so it was my desire, and my request that the Holy Father rectify this. But he said to us bishops: you can say that the phrase in question on the diversity of religions means the permissive will of God.”

    This private acknowledgment on the part of Pope Francis was not followed by any public clarification or rectification of the Abu Dhabi Declaration, which as it stands, still contains this troubling assertion that some critics say amounts to material heresy.

    Despite this, in mid-March 2019, only a few weeks after Pope Francis’ private conversation with Bishop Schneider, the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue sent out a letter dated February 21, 2019, to Catholic university professors in Rome, asking them to give the Declaration the “widest possible dissemination.”

    The letter’s signatory, Bishop Miguel Ayuso Guixot, secretary of the Pontifical Council, asked professors as well as priests and religious active in universities “to facilitate the distribution, the study, and the reception” of the Document.

    The creation of a “higher committee” constitutes a further step in the promotion of a gravely problematic document, this time under the form of a joint initiative involving high-ranking members of the Catholic hierarchy and Muslim dignitaries of the prestigious Sunnite university of Al-Azhar in Cairo and others who share its (at least apparent) drive to implement a restructured, relativist type of Islam that also purports to accept a “diversity of religions” as compatible with the will of Allah.

    Bishop Miguel Ayuso Guixot, who is now president of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Relations, is the higher committee’s most high-ranking Catholic member.

    Continued..
     
  14. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    He has a long record of cordial relations with Muslim dignitaries. In January of 2016 – he had not yet been ordained a bishop at the time – Fr. Ayuso Guixot was the only non-Islamic participant at the First Forum of Arab Thinkers in Abu Dhabi on “Interreligious Dialogue and Extremism.” Promoting a “culture of the encounter,” he then encouraged all to pray according to their own traditions.

    Also present in the list of members of the new Committee is Monsignor Yoannis Lahzi Gaid, personal secretary of Pope Francis. Mgr Lahzi Gaid is a Coptic Catholic priest who is fluent in Arabic, Italian, French and English and “always on hand,” according to the Emirati press, to translate for the Pope. He was named Second Secretary in April 2014 and was by the Pope’s side during Francis’ visit to the United Arab Emirates last February when the document on Human Fraternity was signed.

    Arab members of the Committee include Prof Mohamed Hussein Mahrasawi, President of Al-Azhar University; Judge Mohamed Mahmoud Abdel Salam, Advisor to the Grand Imam; Mohamed Khalifa Al Mubarak, Chairman of the Department of Culture and Tourism, Abu Dhabi; Dr Sultan Faisal Al Rumaithi, Secretary-General of the Muslim Council of Elders; and Yasser Hareb Al Muhairi, Emirati writer and media personality.

    The Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi, Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, said that the formation of the committee would “help to implement the shared vision of developing initiatives and ideas to foster tolerance, cooperation and coexistence,” according to the statement published by the Emirates News Agency. “The UAE supports all efforts that promote peace and spread the principles of fraternity and peaceful coexistence worldwide,” he added.

    The higher committee has been given a global role, as it will be in charge of preparing “the necessary plans to implement the document,” and will “follow up on its implementation at regional and international levels, and hold meetings with religious leaders, heads of international organizations and others to support and spread the idea behind this historic document.”

    The higher committee will also be the authority in charge of supervising the new “House of Abrahamic Family” whose construction was ordered in February by the Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Zayed Al Nahyan on Saadiyat Island in order to commemorate the “historic visit by Pope Francis and Dr. Ahmad Al Tayeb, Grand Imam of Al Azhar, which culminated with the signing of the Abu Dhabi Declaration that heralds a new era in the history of humanity.”

    While the Abu Dhabi document declares that religions must “never incite war, hateful attitudes, hostility and extremism, nor must they incite violence or the shedding of blood,” its writers fail to take into account that Islam was imposed through violence, bloodshed and armed conquest, and that the Koran itself, as well as the Hadiths relating the life, deeds and words of the “Prophet” are full of calls to violence towards non-Muslims.

    The whole document is also permeated with the masonic vocabulary of “tolerance” and “fraternity” that rests on the idea that all forms of “dogma” or affirmation of a transcendent truth are to be rejected, while religions accept to submit to the principles of the Enlightenment that allow, at best, for the affirmation of a global “spirituality” manifesting itself through a multiplicity of beliefs and traditions.
     
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  15. padraig

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    Just suppose for a minute that a Good Leftist like the Holy Father was to indict the Crown Prince for being Super, Super Super, Super, Filthy Rich from appropriating the Nation's oil resources for himself and the Ruling Clique and guilty of serious and ,massive Human Rights Violations against their Sunni majority population. You'd think a good Socialist like Francis would be concerned.

    But , no , that might go against the Grand Plan for one World Religion.

    But of course the Crown Prince is probably as much a convinced Muslim as the Holy Father is a convinced Catholic. When you don't believe in anything too much it is easy to agree with people who also don't believe in anything too much.

    Anything that is but a load of Virtue Signalling and back clapping.

    Pope Francis spent a whole three days in Abu Dhabi which is really a tiny, tiny speck n the map. But with oceans of money.Why a whole three days in an overwhelmingly Islamic State?

    Plans for a One World Religion backed by massive oil mega cash.

    That's why.

    Plotting and planning as per usual. He mustn't sleep at night for plotting.

     
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  16. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Notice how they speak to "tolerance" as the hallmark of Godliness. Tolerance trumps truth in today's relativistic world. The church of nice is making its way very quickly to the church of tolerance of all religions and no absolutes.
     
  17. SteveD

    SteveD Powers

    The Gospel today says: "Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. "

    Our priest's ( a great Francis-fan) take on this in the weekly newsletter? "This passage means almost the exact opposite (his emphasis) of what most people believe. It is only the modern Pharisees who believe that few are saved, in fact the gates of heaven are open to anyone of goodwill blah, blah, blah.'

    He is so well liked that most believe every word that he says. He is a 'clear and present danger' to his congregation in my view.
     
  18. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Thank God, our priest today said life is tough and that includes aspiring to get to Heaven. No Universalism from him, at all; he took Our Lord at His Word.
     
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  19. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Well, we know Enoch and Elijah will be coming soon, if they are not already walking this earth.
     
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  20. AED

    AED Powers

    Oh dear. Well all I can say is for myself I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling. I think the words mean exactly what they say and I pray to have the strength (and final perseverence) to enter by the narrow gate. May this priest have the grace and strength to enter in too.
     
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