Francis denies Immaculate Conception, says Virgin Mary Not a Saint from the Beginning!

I am shocked now - I was always giving him the benefit of the doubt but this is too much

Francis denies Immaculate Conception, says Virgin Mary Not a Saint from the Beginning

December 26, 2018


Chaos Frank opened his mouth again…

Francis denies Immaculate Conception, says Virgin Mary Not a Saint from the Beginning


The Novus Ordo circus in Vatican City continues unabated even during one of the most solemn times of the year. Francis is so far removed from Catholicism that he cannot even offer Christmas greetings to his staff without uttering heresy.

On Dec. 21, 2018, Francis received the employees of his Unholy See and Vatican City State at the hideous Paul VI audience hall and, referring to the Nativity scene set up there, said:

Our Lady and Saint Joseph are full of joy: they look at the Child Jesus and they are happy because, after a thousand worries, they have accepted this gift of God, with so much faith and so much love. They are “overflowing” with holiness and therefore with joy. And you will tell me: of course! They are Our Lady and Saint Joseph! Yes, but let us not think it was easy for them: saints are not born, they become thus, and this is true for them too.

(Francis, Christmas Greetings to Employees, vatican.va, Dec. 21, 2018)

The Italian original has these words:

La Madonna e San Giuseppe sono pieni di gioia: guardano il Bambino Gesù e sono felici perché, dopo mille preoccupazioni, hanno accolto questo Regalo di Dio, con tanta fede e tanto amore. Sono “straripanti” di santità e quindi di gioia. E voi mi direte: per forza! Sono la Madonna e San Giuseppe! Sì, ma non pensiamo che per loro sia stato facile: santi non si nasce, si diventa, e questo vale anche per loro.

(source)

The video of the address is available here (the paragraph quoted above begins at the 20:35 min mark).

The fact that Francis suggests that it wasn’t until after some kind of interior struggle that Holy Mary and St. Joseph (finally) “accepted this gift of God”, is troubling and blasphemous enough. This alone would probably suffice to accuse him of heresy. But he goes much further. He explicitly says that it was not easy for them to be joyful at the Birth of Christ because this required holiness that they had not received from birth but had to acquire over time!

Needless to say, it is most certainly generally true that saints are not born but made over time, with penance and prayer, enabled and aided by the grace of God (cf. Mt 11:30). However, the Blessed Virgin Mary is an exception in that she was perfectly holy from the very beginning of her existence, and this is a dogma defined by Pope Pius IX in 1854:

…To the honor of the Holy and Undivided Trinity, to the glory and adornment of the Virgin Mother of God, to the exaltation of the Catholic Faith and the increase of the Christian religion, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the blessed Apostles, Peter and Paul, and by Our own, We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine, which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary at the first instant of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of Almighty God, in virtue of the merits of Christ Jesus, the Savior of the human race, was preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin, has been revealed by God, and on this account must be firmly and constantly believed by all the faithful.

Wherefore, if any should presume to think in their hearts otherwise than as it has been defined by Us, which God avert, let them know and understand that they are condemned by their own judgment; that they have suffered shipwreck in regard to faith, and have revolted from the unity of the Church; and what is more, that by their own act they subject themselves to the penalties established by law, if, what they think in their heart, they should to signify by word or writing or any other external means.

(Pope Pius IX, Apostolic Constitution Ineffabilis Deus; Denz. 1641)

 

So, not only was the Blessed Virgin Mary born a saint — “full of grace” (Lk 1:28) — she was conceivedone, too. In other words, she has always been a saint, even from the very first moment of her existence. There was never an instant in which she existed without this fullness of grace; at no point was she ever under the dominion of the devil. This was already hinted at right after the fall of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden: “I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel” (Gen 3:15).

Yes, we can already think of five things to know and share that Jimmy Akin might offer to exonerate his “Holy Father” from the charge of heresy, but interpretation is one thing and spin another. Francis said what he said, and he wasn’t even speaking off the cuff. He was reading a prepared speech, one that gets reviewed and vetted by a Novus Ordo Dominican theologian in order — make sure you’re sitting down — to ensure it contains nothing heretical or erroneous.

[We pause for a brief moment while you finish laughing.]

But vetted or not, the fact remains that at the end of the day the “Pope” has an obligation to know what he says in public. Should a mistake indeed ever creep in, he then has an obligation to (1) correct the mistake, (2) redress the scandal caused, and (3) take steps to ensure it won’t happen again in the future.

But let’s not kid ourselves here. Francis is right at home with heresy, as our “Pope Francis” page shows, which catalogues his most egregious heresies and howlers. His contempt for the Blessed Virgin Mary is not a secret, although he does, of course, feign a devotion to her most of the time. Recall the following Marian lowlights of his almost 6-year reign of terror so far:

• Francis says the Church is just like the Blessed Virgin Mary — she has Flaws (2013)
• Francis says the Blessed Virgin Mary may have thought God lied to her when she saw Christ suffering His Passion (2013)
• Returning from World Youth Day in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Francis places Beach Ball on Altar of Basilica of St. Mary Major (2013)
• Francis dedicates blasphemous Marxist hammer-and-sickle crucifix medallion to Blessed Virgin Mary (2015)
• Francis claims that Mary’s fullness of grace does not mean fullness of virtue or holiness but “fullness of beauty” and “gratuitousness” (2018)

In other words, Jorge Bergoglio has a pattern of insulting Mary Most Holy. (Here we won’t mention his frightful blasphemies against Jesus Christ or the Holy Trinity, which are documented on our Francis page linked above.)

Ah, but Francis also says very noble and beautiful things about the Holy Mother of God, does he not? He certainly does, and he also celebrates the Feast of the Immaculate Conception every Dec. 8. What does this mean, then?

Keep in mind at all times that we are dealing here with a blaspheming deceiver. Contradictory messages and conflicting signals are by design, and they do not show a soul who is confused but one who is trying to cause the greatest possible damage to souls.

As Pope Pius VI said about the innovators he was condeming at the end of the eighteenth century:

[Their way of speaking and acting] cannot be excused in the way that one sees it being done, under the erroneous pretext that the seemingly shocking affirmations in one place are further developed along orthodox lines in other places, and even in yet other places corrected; as if allowing for the possibility of either affirming or denying the statement, or of leaving it up to the personal inclinations of the individual – such has always been the fraudulent and daring method used by innovators to establish error. It allows for both the possibility of promoting error and of excusing it.

(Pope Pius VI, Apostolic Constitution Auctorem Fidei, introduction)

Regarding the heretic Nestorius in particular, the same Pope said:

…he expressed himself in a plethora of words, mixing true things with others that were obscure; mixing at times one with the other in such a way that he was also able to confess those things which were denied while at the same time possessing a basis for denying those very sentences which he confessed.

Sound familiar?

It should. It’s just that, compared to Bergoglio, Nestorius was a choirboy.

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Sigh. Why am I not surprised? I'll try not to even think about this. It would drive you nuts.

My two dogs could do better than this.

 

Many people are saying it's fake news but they have the recording...

 

If the denial of a dogma implies excommunication, does this also apply to the Roman pontiff? Sometimes I think that any confusion that is taking place in the Church will be closed with an Ecumenical Council convened by a holy Pope, and that this will result in great condemnations of the errors that have occurred in this pontificate.

 

One can hope.

 

So who is happy in the Nativity scene? Our Lady and Saint Joseph are full of joy: they look at the Child Jesus and they are happy because, after a thousand worries, they have accepted this gift of God, with so much faith and so much love. They are “overflowing” with holiness and therefore with joy. And you will tell me: of course! They are Our Lady and Saint Joseph! Yes, but let us not think it was easy for them: saints are not born, they become thus, and this is true for them too.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/france...a-francesco_20181221_dipendenti-vaticani.html


He has had 'previous form' with regard to our Lady ---

“From the moment she was born until the Annunciation, to the moment she encountered the angel of God, I imagine her as a normal girl, a girl of today, I can’t say she (sic) a city-girl, because she is from a small town, but normal, educated normally, open to marrying, to starting a family. One thing I imagine is that she loved the Scriptures: she knew the Scriptures, she had done catechesis in a family environment, from the heart. Then, after the conception of Jesus, she was still a normal woman: Mary is normal, she is a woman that any woman in this world can imitate. No strange things in life, a normal mother: even in her virginal marriage, chaste in that frame of virginity, Mary was normal. She worked, went shopping, helped her Son, helped her husband: normal”. (From La Stampa’s Vatican Insider.)

 

THE ANNUNCIATION

When the Fathers and writers of the Church meditated on the fact that the most Blessed Virgin was, in the name and by order of God himself, proclaimed full of grace by the Angel Gabriel when he announced her most sublime dignity of Mother of God, they thought that this singular and solemn salutation, never heard before, showed that the Mother of God is the seat of all divine graces and is adorned with all gifts of the Holy Spirit. To them Mary is an almost infinite treasury, an inexhaustible abyss of these gifts, to such an extent that she was never subject to the curse and was, together with her Son, the only partaker of perpetual benediction. Hence she was worthy to hear Elizabeth, inspired by the Holy Spirit, exclaim: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb."

MARY COMPARED WITH EVE

Hence, it is the clear and unanimous opinion of the Fathers that the most glorious Virgin, for whom "he who is mighty has done great things," was resplendent with such an abundance of heavenly gifts, with such a fullness of grace and with such innocence, that she is an unspeakable miracle of God -- indeed, the crown of all miracles and truly the Mother of God; that she approaches as near to God himself as is possible for a created being; and that she is above all men and angels in glory. Hence, to demonstrate the original innocence and sanctity of the Mother of God, not only did they frequently compare her to Eve while yet a virgin, while yet innocence, while yet incorrupt, while not yet deceived by the deadly snares of the most treacherous serpent; but they have also exalted her above Eve with a wonderful variety of expressions. Eve listened to the serpent with lamentable consequences; she fell from original innocence and became his slave. The most Blessed Virgin, on the contrary, ever increased her original gift, and not only never lent an ear to the serpent, but by divinely given power she utterly destroyed the force and dominion of the evil one.

Ineffabilis Deus
Apostolic Constitution of Pope Pius IX on the Immaculate Conception (December 8, 1854)

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_pi09id.htm

 

Sometimes I just wonder what is going on -- Pope Francis clearly believes in the Immaculate Conception as illustrated below in beautiful verse and teachings on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception 2017.

https://w2.vatican.va/content/franc...ocuments/papa-francesco_angelus_20151208.html


https://w2.vatican.va/content/franc...ocuments/papa-francesco_angelus_20171208.html


What does full of grace mean? That Mary is filled with the presence of God. And if she is entirely inhabited by God, there is no room within her for sin. It is an extraordinary thing, because everything in the world, regrettably, is contaminated by evil. Each of us, looking within ourselves, sees dark sides. Even the greatest saints were sinners and everything in reality, even the most beautiful things, are corroded by evil: everything, except Mary. She is the one “evergreen oasis” of humanity, the only one uncontaminated, created immaculate so as to fully welcome, with her ‘yes’, God who came into the world and thus to begin a new history.

 

I clicked on the source which is direct from the Vatican in Italian. Simple google page translate and I read the address in English as provided from the Vatican itself:

"So who is happy in the crib? Our Lady and St. Joseph are full of joy: they look at the Child Jesus and they are happy because, after a thousand worries, they have accepted this gift of God, with so much faith and so much love. They are "overflowing" with holiness and therefore with joy. And you will tell me: by force! They are the Madonna and San Giuseppe! Yes, but we do not think it was easy for them: saints are not born, they become, and this is true for them too."

Heresy. It's heresy.

 

I think that Pope Francis is a deeply confused, foolish heretic. Some of the things he says are very good, and true, but others cause conflict and confusion and error. John Paul II was awesome. John Paul II, please pray for us, and for the present Pope.

 

I don't believe he is confused nor foolish.
His words and actions are deliberate.

 

Yes, garabandal, Mary was not simply immaculately conceived, She is the Immaculate Conception. Still...

She is fully human which means she advanced in holiness and giftedness from the point of her Immaculate Conception. Consider:

1) The grace of motherhood was bestowed on her when she was a teenager.
2) The grace of a Piercing Sword was most perfectly bestowed at the foot of the Cross
3) She was one of the 120 on whom the Holy Spirit fell on Pentecost and she proclaimed God's glory in a new tongue.

The Immaculate Conception, through her human experience, went from one glory to another.

So, when Pope Francis clumsily says: Yes, but let us not think it was easy for them: saints are not born, they become thus, and this is true for them too, I believe he was pointing to this reality of being transformed from one glory to another. The uniqueness of Our Lady is that her starting point was perfection!

2 Cor 3:18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being changed into his likeness from one degree of glory to another; for this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

 

They may be. I hope they are not. We can't see into the man's heart, but his words are certainly disturbing. Words are expressions of what is in the heart.

 

I would love to believe that the Holy Father is clumsy or confused or foolish. I would love to believe that.
Sigh.

I try not to even think about him and his goings on anymore. They disturb my peace. It's a case of a hundred times bitten , twice shy. Let him get on with whatever he is doing or saying and I hope to remain in blissful ignorance of it all. It just disturbs my peace.

I'll switch the Vatican Channel back on again when we have our next Pope.

A Pope is supposed to inspire. This one just causes me to perspire. I'll wait for the next one and give this one a careful pass.

I've reached the stage when I just say to myself, 'Whatever!' and move on.

 

This is from the one in 2015 :

"Instead, evil was conquered in her even before deflowering her, because God had filled her with grace (cf. Lk 1:28)."

Ummm, what?

 

Ah, it's the translation.

Anzi, il male in lei è stato sconfitto prima ancora di sfiorarla, perché Dio l’ha ricolmata di grazia (cfr Lc 1,28)

Indeed, the evil in her has been defeated before touching her, because God has filled her with grace (cf. Lk 1:28)

Sheesh, you'd think they'd proofread what they're translating better.

 

"Il male in lei" is still problematic though, "the evil in her"? He's simultaneously saying evil never touched her and that it was there in her, even though it wasn't. It's like hysteron proteron in poetry but with a thing that never happened. Like saying "the sunken ships were saved sinking". So weird. I'm gonna go read something else, lol.

 

You know we shouldn't have to be going through all this with a Pope. It's a bit like buying a chicken to cook and having to send samples of it to a lab for miscroscopic examination . It shouldn't be like this. I should be able to trust anything a Pope says or does without second guessing or making excuses for them.

The bottom line is , none of us trust him. Why do we not trust him? Because , in the past on numerous occasions he has proven untrustworthy. If chicken bought from a certain store has been shown to give food poisoning we will not risk shopping at that store anymore. Why would we?

I don't feel the need to study Pope Francis's words anymore to find out if maybe they're safe. Who has the time? I just don't trust the guy.

Best left alone. No need for linguistic analysis. Just best left alone.

Life's too short.

The best I can say is I don't intend him any physical harm.