Here's Bishop Barron being nice, nice, nice and super nice all inclusive. He's so nice you could practically eat him. Sigh. Makes me want to throw up. If he were any nicer he'd turn into a sugar cube. What's the difference between being nice and being a mice? This guy actually invited Bishp Barron to tell him the truth and Bishop Barron cringed and folded like a House of Cards in horror. God forbid he should tell the truth in Charity. That might be a tad..well unpleasant..can't have that!..so be nice, nice, nice....pass the barth bag. Sickening. CHURCH OF NICE
He has swallowed the lie of the 'gay' person -- he is seriously WRONG! He should have told the man he is not married. He also swallows the lie that marriage is of the State -- it is not -- it is from God! Barron has really lost the plot -- waffling for 5 minutes -- How many times does he say 'gay person' in this interview 4 or 5?
I remember one time , years and years ago I , by accident, walked into a party my sister was giving and they all fell back in horrified silence as soon as I walked in. She'd told them my views and they were in horrifIed awe at seeing me in the flesh. Saved time. I didn't even have to open my mouth. They knew. That's the way to have them. I don't think they'd have been more shocked if Donald Trump saundered in. That's the right way to have them. Never nice. Never, never, never nice. No. SHOCK. HORROR. AWE.
Imagine Bishop Barron met the woman at the well and had a 5 minute conversation -- She would continue on her merry way in sin and adultery.
So sad! Instead of teaching the Truth, he give the impression that mortal sin is OK - welcome to the Church of nice! Pray for him!
He is tepid, because he places things he values like the acclaim of men before God. I can't stand the guy. He is leading people to destruction.
https://www.romancatholicman.com/fa...s-1969-prediction-church-will-look-like-2000/ Father Joseph Ratzinger’s 1969 Prediction: What the Church Will Look Like in 2000 n a 1969 German radio broadcast, Father Joseph Ratzinger offered his thoughtfully considered answer to the question, “What will become of the Church in the future?” Here are his concluding remarks, “The future of the Church can and will issue from those whose roots are deep and who live from the pure fullness of their faith. It will not issue from those who accommodate themselves merely to the passing moment or from those who merely criticize others and assume that they themselves are infallible measuring rods; nor will it issue from those who take the easier road, who sidestep the passion of faith, declaring false and obsolete, tyrannous and legalistic, all that makes demands upon men, that hurts them and compels them to sacrifice themselves. To put this more positively: The future of the Church, once again as always, will be reshaped by saints, by men, that is, whose minds probe deeper than the slogans of the day, who see more than others see, because their lives embrace a wider reality. Unselfishness, which makes men free, is attained only through the patience of small daily acts of self-denial. By this daily passion, which alone reveals to a man in how many ways he is enslaved by his own ego, by this daily passion and by it alone, a man’s eyes are slowly opened. He sees only to the extent that he has lived and suffered. If today we are scarcely able any longer to become aware of God, that is because we find it so easy to evade ourselves, to flee from the depths of our being by means of the narcotic of some pleasure or other. Thus our own interior depths remain closed to us. If it is true that a man can see only with his heart, then how blind we are! How does all this affect the problem we are examining? It means that the big talk of those who prophesy a Church without God and without faith is all empty chatter. We have no need of a Church that celebrates the cult of action in political prayers. It is utterly superfluous. Therefore, it will destroy itself. What will remain is the Church of Jesus Christ, the Church that believes in the God who has become man and promises us life beyond death. The kind of priest who is no more than a social worker can be replaced by the psychotherapist and other specialists; but the priest who is no specialist, who does not stand on the [sidelines], watching the game, giving official advice, but in the name of God places himself at the disposal of man, who is beside them in their sorrows, in their joys, in their hope and in their fear, such a priest will certainly be needed in the future. Let us go a step farther. From the crisis of today the Church of tomorrow will emerge — a Church that has lost much. She will become small and will have to start afresh more or less from the beginning. She will no longer be able to inhabit many of the edifices she built in prosperity. As the number of her adherents diminishes, so it will lose many of her social privileges. In contrast to an earlier age, it will be seen much more as a voluntary society, entered only by free decision. As a small society, it will make much bigger demands on the initiative of her individual members. Undoubtedly it will discover new forms of ministry and will ordain to the priesthood approved Christians who pursue some profession. In many smaller congregations or in self-contained social groups, pastoral care will normally be provided in this fashion. Along-side this, the full-time ministry of the priesthood will be indispensable as formerly. But in all of the changes at which one might guess, the Church will find her essence afresh and with full conviction in that which was always at her center: faith in the triune God, in Jesus Christ, the Son of God made man, in the presence of the Spirit until the end of the world. In faith and prayer she will again recognize the sacraments as the worship of God and not as a subject for liturgical scholarship. The Church will be a more spiritual Church, not presuming upon a political mandate, flirting as little with the Left as with the Right. It will be hard going for the Church, for the process of crystallization and clarification will cost her much valuable energy. It will make her poor and cause her to become the Church of the meek. The process will be all the more arduous, for sectarian narrow-mindedness as well as pompous self-will will have to be shed. One may predict that all of this will take time. The process will be long and wearisome as was the road from the false progressivism on the eve of the French Revolution — when a bishop might be thought smart if he made fun of dogmas and even insinuated that the existence of God was by no means certain — to the renewal of the nineteenth century. But when the trial of this sifting is past, a great power will flow from a more spiritualized and simplified Church. Men in a totally planned world will find themselves unspeakably lonely. If they have completely lost sight of God, they will feel the whole horror of their poverty. Then they will discover the little flock of believers as something wholly new. They will discover it as a hope that is meant for them, an answer for which they have always been searching in secret. And so it seems certain to me that the Church is facing very hard times. The real crisis has scarcely begun. We will have to count on terrific upheavals. But I am equally certain about what will remain at the end: not the Church of the political cult, which is dead already, but the Church of faith. It may well no longer be the dominant social power to the extent that she was until recently; but it will enjoy a fresh blossoming and be seen as man’s home, where he will find life and hope beyond death. The Catholic Church will survive in spite of men and women, not necessarily because of them. And yet, we still have our part to do. We must pray for and cultivate unselfishness, self-denial, faithfulness, Sacramental devotion and a life centered on Christ. In 2009 Ignatius Press released Father Joseph Ratzinger’s speech “What Will the Church Look Like in 2000” in full, in a book entitled Faith and the Future.
I feel the same way. I can't stand listening to him. Sometimes I will hear a cut of him on the radio and not realize it is him and listen for a while until I realize who it is. I used to like him until I heard some of his unorthodox statements. The most dangerous thing is that much of what he says is very orthodox. It is the 1% of poison in a cup that kills though. What a shame. The man was given such great gifts and responsibility. Perhaps he will see the light in the time we have left ahead though.
I hope so Praetorian. He has a gentleness about him that is seemingly very good and yet in the same breath condones things which need to be spoken truthfully about.
What would Jesus have said to this gay man? Go and sin no more? This is what he told the woman in adultery! Sodomy is a far greater sin, which brought God's judgment on the town of Sodom and Gomorrah and also brought his justice on the perversion during Noah's time in the flooding of the world. What makes anyone think it will be different this time, when clergy are playing politics with the truth?
This was the very interview I had seen some time back that convinced me Bishop Barron could not be trusted. I don't have time to listen to *some* truth mixed with poison. I'm laity - not a theologian who can sift through the smoke. Give me the writings of the saints and doctors of the Church to mold me any day over a Truth part-time bishop
Half truths and coddling people are what got the Church into such a sorry state. I have no stomach for it anymore.
Sorry, Don, I couldn't disagree more with the way folks denigrate Bishop Barron in this instance. Sometimes I bring with me an impression about someone and clothe that person in the previous impression without giving him a fresh chance. I call that prejudice, and I'm too often guilty of it. I disagree with Barron's opinion of Hell, but here he clearly does not minimize the moral issue involving the Samaritan woman. In fact, I think Barron does a great job on how Jesus sets her straight! Please listen from 6:45 -10:15 on the clip and let's discuss his strengths and weaknesses. After all, the fact is Jesus brought the woman to conversion without a frontal assault on her sinfulness, yet He still remained ever demanding. Just like He does with you and me! Whatever you want me to change, Lord, give me the grace to obey! Safe in the Flames of the Sacred Heart!
I just realized that everyone's disgust originated from the first clip and not the clip on the Woman at the Well. I too feel Bishop Barron stepped off of firm ground into quicksand. At 1:44-2:00 he makes statements in line with Church teaching, but he lacks clarity, conviction, and passion. He ends up basically spending the last three minutes back-peddling. Don't enter the enemy's camp unless you're ready to make yourself a fool for Christ. You're right, Padraig, Church of Nice. Ah, Bishop Barron, I pray you regretted such capitulation! REV 3:16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.
The sad thing is that the interviewer was very open to hearing the truth. One gets the impression that he was disappointed with such a tepid response. How great is the loss of the sense of sin that our bishops and cardinals cannot see the gravity of this sin that cries to heaven for justice? Holy God, Holy Mighty One, Holy Immortal One have mercy on us and the whole world
Although one time years ago I hapenned to be having a drink with two young people from work, both raised Catholics. One a homosexual male and the other a Lesbian. I don't mean slightly homosexual but both of the totally into the lifestyle ,even the way they dressed, they were like someone from another planet in Star Trek But actually we all got on liek a house on fire as I remember. Though we only went out the once, never again. I think I regarded them as being from another wrold and they regarded me with a kind of fascinated horror as being from another world too. Sometimes being so utterly different cana ctually be a help in getting on. But my memory of them both is feeling so very,very sorry for them. It seems to me there was a deep, deep dpwn sadness there. I believe the suicide rate is supposed to be something like 25% isn't it? Asl oof course you have this huge , huge range of illnesses and diseases, I used to see this in the hospital where I worked, these poor people get all kinds of unmentionable things. The human body is simply not designed for what they put it through. Also Psychologically they tend to be disaster zone. But the rost thing for me is that awful sadness they had. I could see it in their eyes and in their voices when they spoke. So much inner pain. I am a very,very happy person myself. Constantly joyful. I elad a very,very regular life which orbits around the mass and the Eucharist. I just so love love life and people. My heart went out to them. I must offer mass for them today, I will always remember them. One thing I really did admire about them was their courage to be different. Nowadays I think young people can be too regimented, these folks were certainly very,very different. But the very last thing they were was, 'Gay' ; they were just so very,very sad.
22-year-old with same-sex attraction begs Synod: Don’t change Church teaching on homosexuality John-Henry Westen https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/2...action-pleads-to-synod-dont-change-church-tea October 5, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – Avera Maria Santo, a 22-year-old woman who experiences same-sex attractions, wrote a powerful open letter to the bishops of the Catholic Church about the topic of homosexuality, which is being discussed at the Youth Synod currently underway in Rome. LifeSiteNews has learned that the letter is circulating among the Synod Fathers. “As someone who has not only grown up in the Church, but has also come to love her and her teachings for myself, I would hate to see her teachings altered in any way, especially in a way that could cause such a grave amount of damage,” she writes. Santo, a member of the Catholic group Courage, says she was “devastated” when she learned of the agenda of some to try to change the Church’s teaching on the matter at the Synod. Pleading with the bishops, she writes, “keep the Church's teachings on homosexuality good, true, and beautiful.” She admits that at first she didn’t like what she heard when she learned the Church’s teaching, but it was what she “needed to hear.” Being in a same sex relationship, she notes, “could ultimately block me from spending my eternity with my one true love, Jesus.” Santo, who blogs at Inside my holy of holies, rebuked those who act as though chastity for homosexual persons is impossible. “Telling me that my cross of same-sex attraction is too heavy for me to love as Christ calls me to, is not just degrading, it is also a lie,” she said. Santo’s full letter follows: An Open Letter to Bishops on the Topic of Homosexuality at the Youth Synod October 3, 2018 Dear Bishops of the Holy Catholic Church, When I was made aware of the efforts being made by pro-LGBT groups trying to persuade Catholic Bishops to change Church teaching on homosexuality, specifically at this year's Youth Synod, it devastated me. As someone who has not only grown up in the Church, but has also come to love her and her teachings for myself, I would hate to see her teachings altered in any way, especially in a way that could cause such a grave amount of damage. I wish then to lay my heart bare, and to share some of my story and my convictions with you, dear Bishops of the Holy Catholic Church, and plead with you to keep the Church's teachings on homosexuality good, true, and beautiful. I am a 22-year-old young Catholic woman that experiences same-sex attractions. While I was growing up, I heard very little, if anything at all, on homosexuality, even though I attended Catholic school from Pre-K - 12th grade. When I finally came to terms with the fact that I was romantically interested in other women, it terrified me. I didn't know where turn, who to speak to, or if I could speak about it at all! The fear paralyzed me into silence for quite a while. As time went on, I began to learn more and more about the teachings of the Catholic Church on homosexuality, and for some time, I didn't understand them. I wasn't sure what the words "objectively" and "intrinsically disordered" meant, and truth be told, I had the feeling that I didn't want to know. It wasn't until I was around the age of 20 that I finally began to understand. I'll admit, I didn't like what I heard, but I knew it was what I needed to hear. Recently, I came across a quote from Abbot Jean-Charles Nault, O.S.B. that spoke a great deal of truth to me. It read: "For the philosophers of Antiquity, and for the whole Christian tradition, freedom is the ability that man has--an ability belonging jointly to his intellect and will--to perform virtuous actions, good actions, excellent actions, when he wants and as he wants. Man's freedom is therefore his capacity to accomplish good acts easily, joyously, and lastingly. This freedom is defined by the attraction of the good." Time and time again, we will hear phrases such as "I just want the freedom to love whomever I want," from those within the LGBTQ community. This desire is an inherently good one, when it is rightly ordered. Man is only truly free when he can choose to do as he ought, not simply as he wants, for the things that we may want aren't always good for us. I [used] to want to be in a same-sex relationship. The desire was overwhelming at times, to the point where I could see no other way to get through the day. But I know now, from the good and gracious teachings of God through His Church, that such a relationship hinders not only my freedom to love authentically, but also my ability to achieve holiness. Taking it a step further, being in such a relationship could ultimately block me from spending my eternity with my one true love, Jesus. My dear Bishops, there is no one on this earth that isn't called to a life of chastity, that includes my brothers and sisters who experience same-sex attractions. This is not because the Church is oppressive and wants us to be miserable and passively submissive to her, but because each and every one of us is invited to enter into the Divine Life of our Creator, a life where no sin can remain. The Catechism states in paragraph 2331 that "God is love and in himself he lives a mystery of personal loving communion. Creating the human race in his own image... God inscribed in the humanity of man and woman the vocation, and thus the capacity and responsibility, of love and communion." Not only should I be reminded that, as a Christian, I am called to love as Christ loved us, but I also have the capacity to do so. I am capable of authentic love! Telling me that my cross of same-sex attraction is too heavy for me to love as Christ calls me to, is not just degrading, it is also a lie. God did not abandon me when man first sinned in the beginning, and He will not abandon me now. He has called me, and each and every one of us to Himself, and I intend to return back to Him, no matter how burdensome my cross may be. Like Christ remembered me from the cross, I pray that you would remember me, and my brothers and sisters like me, dear Bishops, as you pray about and discuss how to help young people in matters of faith and vocation, especially in regards to the topic of homosexuality. Please remember that, as St. Therese the Little Flower, a dear patron of mine, so greatly put it, "My vocation is to love." Yours in Christ, Avera Maria Santo
