Fr Malachi Martin

Padraig & the forum -

Are you aware of Fr Malachi Martin? I have come across him on youtube in a series called 'The Tempter's Hour' [with about 12 videos] an audio of an interview taken at his home some time before his death in 1999 talking about his book the Windswept House a novel about the state of the Catholic Church today:



I listened to 6 videos in a row [about 12 mins each] as he was such an engaging speaker & frankly I was spellbound by what he had to say about the enthronement of Lucifer in a secret service in the heart of the Vatican by high ranking prelates in 1963 just before the Vatican Council. It is obvious Martin has a very keen mind and is a student of history & he also practised as an exorcist. He seems to have been a traditionalist but was actually at Vatican II as a translator as he also spoke eight languages.

I am thinking of buying his novel The Windswept House which is based on true events that happened within the Church. Has anyone read it or any other of his works? What is the general consensus about Malachi Martin in the Church.

Seems to me he may have been a prophet for our era but then I have only just come across him so I would love to learn more!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachi_Martin#Communications_and_media

 

Bobby, I don't know anything about him except that he wrote Hostage to the Devil which is one of the books Padraig has always recommended.

 

I read several of his books, Bobby though 'Hostage to the Devil is my favourite and one which I read several times. I loe the way he is such a stright talker. he lived in Rome a while and was very well connected serving as an advisor to a Bishop during Vatican 2. He was also a Professor at one of the Colleges in Rome. So no dummy.

He died just a few years back in New York and took a lot of interest in Satanism and as far as I recall made some allegations (which I suspect were probably true about Satanism at a high level in the Church.

However Fr Malachi comes with a health warning. In the first place he left the priesthood. I don't mean to be judgemental but I can only say I take this as a bad sign. A bit like Fr Corpai. Another thing to watch out for is he took a very extreme , traditionalist stance about Vatican 2 and the changes...he was entitled to his opinions of course but some of them concerning the vilidity itself of the New Mass (the Novus Ordo) seemd very extreme not to say heretical and also some of his views on reason Popes were at the very eleast unchariable, disloyal, disobedient and very possibly heretical. I don't mean to be uncharitable especially to the dead..but folks need warned a lot of his writings go far over the edge. :wink:

However having said this he is a great story teller and there's no problem with his writings in this field, very deep and well researched. Very orthodox. He knew from experience the devil existed something you cannot say for all modern priests.

But his kind of religious in church politics things I would avoid.

May God have mercy on his soul. If you have time pray for him. He may need prayers.

http://sanctuschristopher.blogspot.com/2009/07/fr-malachi-martin-july-23-1921-july-27.html

 

Thanks Padraig for your insight -

We can trust him when it comes to spiritual warfare and traditional teaching. I have to say I found him a most interesting and engaging speaker with regard to spiritual and demonic warfare.

He was an opponent of modernism and feels the Church is too open to the world. He also suggests that Popes should not meet political leaders who promote the culture of death, which has been the case since Pope John 23rd.

He came from a bright family as his brother was the historian Francis X Martin.

I have said a few prayers for him today.

 

Garabandal,

I read the novel some time ago. It's captivating and certainly opens one's eyes to the all-too-human elements within the Vatican. The claim about satanic rituals makes me shutter, though the marvelous gift of freedom with which God gifts us makes it all too possible. The construct of collegiality birthed the bishop conferences that we are all familiar with, but they were not a factor prior to Vatican II. It is this perceived erosion of papal primacy that concerns most Traditionalists. A fine book for anyone interested in post-Vatican II history that I've recommended before is, The Signs of the Times by Fr. Richard W. Gilsdorf. Chapter 19, entitled "The Plight of the Papist Priest" and Chapter 23, "The Doctrine of the Fragments", are both worth their weight in gold! Interestly enough, Fr. Gilsdorf included a faith-filled chapter on Mary's appearances in Wisconsin, something close to our hearts on this forum.

Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!

 

My father and mother were both Traditionalists and we used to have the Tridentine mass every Sunday at home at a time when such goings on were very much frowned on. I'd say about throity of forty people turned up at our house very Sunday and I got to meet one very holy English priest Fr Wilders who eventually went on to open up a Traditionalist Boarding School for boys in the west of Ireland.

It was strange how mcuh opposition this alls tirred up in the mainstream Church at the time, considering they were only doing what the Church itslef had been doing for I don't know the last 500 years or so since the Tridentine Mass was established.

I have always found the LAtin mass..and the Tridentine Mass itself very restful, often in the Novus Ordo the priest injects far, far too much of himself into things like a kind of priestly Ophrah Winfrey :lol: :wink:

Its funny how things have gone full circle and the Traditionalists sem to be being vindicated.

Having said all this there is a middle road for such a spiritual journey my fathe veered off by supporting the [then} Schismatic Arhbishop Levevbre. He veered right back onto the right road again when I accused him of being a Protestant an accusation which drove him crazy. :wink:

But the Late Fr malachi did a lot of that kind of veering of the road himself in his writings, something folks should be aware of.

Now look at how carefully he phrases his answers to the questions posed below:

http://starharbor.com/fr_martin/ques.html

For instance when asked if the Novus Order ( the mass in English) is vaild ( that is if the the bread and wine are changed into the Body and Blood of Christ) he kinda answers with a 'maybe..sometime' which is a dreadful thing t say.

Also when asked if the (then Pope) was legitamate he writes that again he can't say..again a ghastly thing for a Catholic priest to write. :shock:

 

When Christ speaks the truth this truth is eternal, 'You are Peter and on this Rock I will build my Church and the gates of the underworld will not prevail against it'.

That is not to say the Pope cannot be a great sinner as in previous eras or that there might be soon an anti-Pope and a real Pope in the world simultaneously. Martin did say in one of his talks that some prelates are under the control of lucifer [probable] and that there is a demonic plan to have one of these prelates become Pope - surely this is impossible given the words of our Lord?

 

I have heard priests talk about this several times. There is little doubt that several Popes have been totally evil, in fact in the case of one Pope at least that he was an outright Satanist conducting Stanic Rites in the the Vatican itslef. However,startlingly no Pope of course has ever introduced False Doctrine. Thus the promise of Christ is fulfilled that the Satan would never overcome the Church. On the other hand quite a few Popes have done evil over quite a long period of time.

I think this is the bordeline God does not allow things to cross that Popes can be evil but cannot effect Doctrine.

The English write and convert G K Chesterton in fact mused that this is in fact one of the main reasons he believed the Church to be the One True and holy in that although Popes fell into the Power of Satan Doctrine never did.

On the other hand when we look at the history of the Protestant Sects we see this is not so...For instance the Southern Baptist Concvention (in the USA)over a period of time muted that abortion was morally acceptable and later changed this ,repented and said it was always wrong.

Another good example is the bizarre Doctrinal stance of the Anglicans and Episcopalians who seem to be changing and adapting their teachings to suit the times. Whereas truth is Eternal.

But what could happen is that a false 'Pope' and anti-pope..someone who appeared to be Pope promulgated False Doctrine say against the MAss but had no power to do so because the Keys of Peter actually rested in another persons hands..hence perhaps the 'Abomination of Desolation' referred to in scripture.

But in my own opinion God Himself would not to be too slow to directly intervene in such a senario.



Pope Alexander VI .

On Halloween night of 1501, he was said to have organized and participated in the “worst orgy ever in the Vatican”. While sex with promiscuous women while unwed and sworn to celibacy and a life devoted to God may be forgivable in certain circles, his other most awful sexual conduct would be frowned upon by just about any member of our currently civilized society. Alexander VI also was suspected to have illicit relationshis two sisters and his daughter.

 

I was reading this topic and decided to jump in and tell you what I know. I do not claim to be an authority on anything, but I do seem to be in the midst of some interesting conversations and have spent a lot of time reading and listening and praying.

First, Father Malachi Martin was not defrocked, nor was he fired. He voluntarily left the Jesuits, with permission to live a life as an author and priest and exorcist. He celebrated Mass everyday. He believed once a priest, always a priest. He could only safely write outside of the order since it was the order he was writing about! Even Fr. Mitch Pacwa admits he has been approached by higher ups that are masons in the Jesuits and been 'offered' a quick rise in rank. He of course turned them down. Fr. Malachi was a confidant to three Popes and continued to counsel those who needed exorcism and spiritual direction. In his book, "The Keys of this Blood" his frustration with John Paul II came through loud and clear. As a mystic he saw the spiritual war and as a priest he saw the political infighting in the Church, especially the Vatican. It was a difficult situation to be in for anyone.

As the days got darker and as the wolves got more fierce, his frustrations grew. What he saw as a Pope who was gallivanting around the world not taking care of the chicken coop at home, was as we see now, a much needed Pope who went out into the world 'bringing the face of the Church to the People'. He also saw that this Pope was a Marian Pope who he hoped upon hope would reveal the real Fatima secret; because he was privy to it and desperately wanted the Consecration and the Era of Peace to come. He could not see the future though.

In the meantime the Evil one was sowing seeds of discontent and the spread of mutiny and the loss of faith spread into a cancer of a mixture of pedophilia/homosexual free-for-all and liturgical-free-for-all and he was like many of us begging Rome to DO SOMETHING! I have read his books and I cannot defend his his pre-vatican II views. I do understand though. I have to ask myself, if I KNEW that some Bishops and Cardinals had one hand on their pectoral cross and the other in their pocket with their certificates of 33rd Degree Masonry (Satanists) and I knew some of the dealings in the Vatican II decisions and I knew that certain phrases and especially the Liturgy had been not translated correctly (thank you Benedict XVI), I would have to back up and say, "How can I live the faith of the Church and still be in it?" Fr. Malachi felt very strongly that Pope John Paul I was murdered. He was very traumatized by that. He also believed that the gates of Hell would not prevail. He loved our Lady very, very much. He was a man who knew too much. That is a scary position to be in, especially when your friends are disappearing and dying horrible satanic ritualistic deaths.

We can look now as we are older and wiser and see the trickle down effect of the 'infiltration' of the priesthood (yes, our Lady warned about that) and the prophesy of Leo XIII and his desperate attempts to help the situation by penning the St. Michael the Archangel prayer for the 20th Century. God in His Mercy gave us a saintly Polish Pope for the first part of the 20th Century (Pope Pius X) and a saintly Polish Pope for the end of the 20th Century. Bookends for the chaos that ensued in-between.

Our Lady's apparitions are almost 'stations of the crosses' for the events of the 20th Century. Why did she appear more in the 20th Century than all the other Centuries put together? Because of the vision of Pope Leo XIII. Because of the Apostasy that is now in effect and which is coming like a bulldozer. Because THIS is a time of grace now. Jesus is coming. Our Lady is kicking it into high gear... The Priesthood has been wounded, but will rise up holier and more devout and courageous than ever, because these are the children of the parents who lived through the times of JPII. They received the grace of Faith. The promise of Hope and heard loud and clear, 'Be NOT Afraid.'

Now, we get to St. Malachy (and so many others I won't go into now). IF St. Malachy is right. JPII, was the 'Pope of the two Eclipses (born on one and died on one), Benedict is the 'Glory of the Olives'. Olivitains (sp?) are an order of St. Benedict, and he has continued with the Olive Branch, which PJII started regarding the desire to bring the Orthodox back and he has done so much more, which you all know. NOW, the LAST Legit Pope will be Peter Roman.

The longest and final motto reads in the original Latin:

In ꝑſecutione extre-

ma S.R.E. ſedebit.

Petrus Romanus, qui

paſcet oues in mul-
tis tribulationibus:
quibus tranſactis ci-
uitas ſepticollis di-
ruetur, & Iudex tre
mẽdus iudicabit po
pulum ſuum. Finis.

This is usually translated into English as:

"In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop].
Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations:
and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed,
and the terrible judge will judge his people.
The End."

I just got back from a 6 week trip to Rome and Ukraine. It changed my life. I have been commissioned by Jesus and Mary to write about what I saw and now know. This Bishop St. Malachy speaks about was made known to me and it was confirmed while I was there over and over again, he is the one that will lead the Remnant when the Church splits. I also spent 5 and a half weeks with a humble, 35 year old woman who is receiving unprecedented apparitions on so many diverse subjects that it made my head spin. From the persecution from within the Vatican of the Holy Father, the Anti-Pope to come, the Anti-Christ, the chastisements, the warning, the Era of Peace and her problems within her own Diocese. She suffers mind, body and soul for poor sinners. She is a mother and wife with two teenage boys. She is so poor she has an outhouse and two outfits and no car. She is the most humble, beautiful soul I have ever met. Her name is Maria (of course! lol) of Ukraine. I came home a younger person, completely healed of sleep apnea which I had for 14 years. I never even unpacked my machine. My mouth inside actually has changed. I have GREAT HOPE and JOY! I have been given the bigger picture and I can say that God has shown me personally and through this soul that WHATEVER we have to suffer for HIM AND HIS CHURCH will be worth it. You CANNOT out do God! There will be so many wonderful miracles, healings and conversions and even people getting younger.

I do have to end this by saying that we have to be careful. There are actions going on in the Church and in our Diocese that are out of our control. That is why our Lady of Medjugore has said time and time again to pray for our Shepherds. Those who are in high positions are taking a great risk with their souls condemning legitimate visionaries and there are many masonic influences. We must be charitable to those messengers of God. It is a hard task to discern a visionary. Many are 'Joan of Arc's' of our time. Many are wolves in sheep's clothing. Even the elect will be deceived.... I also want to say that the woman who is from Ireland and has a website called 'the warningsecondcoming.com' IS NOT the Ukrainian woman named Maria whom I spent time with.

Sorry I have written so much. Its been a long time since I have been on and I feel long winded tonight! :lol:

 

God bless you and welcome back, I'm so glad you are here and have persevered in trying to join us again.
Padraig made references to dreams of a woman in the Ukraine and I wondered if it was one and the same. Time will tell.
I look forward to reading what you have been commissioned to write. Thank you for your obedience and what a blessing it must be not only to be home but to be freed from your sleep apnea. Your post is very inspirational.

 

Well MS, I must admire your courage on going all the way out to the Ukraine to meet, 'Maria' , you're a true soldier of God. :wink:

I would love to hear more about her,especially about her messages...and most especially those to do with the future.

I always feel more confident when I hear of visionaries coming from poor humble backgrounds. The trouble with the East though is that we in the West never seem able to get them up on the internet. Also if we do there are always language difficulties. But there must be several true ones out there. I always thought for instance the Ukrainian the late Josyp Terelya was true and I suspect Jp2 believed:



http://www.sacredheartofjesus.ca/Theolo ... h.htmspect Jp 2 n

I enjoyed Fr Malachi Martin a lot, though he always came with a health ticket. I think he considered the Church since Vatican 2 to have been hijacked and gone into heretical tail spin, he was wrong of course n the sense he thought the Church was now false, but right in that a lot of the good work of Vatican 2 was hijacked and there still is a lot of heresy going about. He was also right I believe about Satanic influences and groups working high in the Church. Anyone who doubts this should look again at the passage in Scripture at the Last Supper were in reference to Judas it specifically says,' ..and Satan entered into him'. Just as Satan entered into Judas so he has entered into the apostolic/priestly successors of Judas up to the present day.

Anyhow, MS if there is an internet link to 'Maria' from the Ukraine' I'd love to see it. Perhaps having studied her messages I will get out to see her myself. I would love to see the Ukraine anyway.

Gail the lady I saw had a daughter and lived in Kiev.

 

Mothersuperior7 said,

I came home a younger person, completely healed of sleep apnea which I had for 14 years. I never even unpacked my machine. My mouth inside actually has changed. I have GREAT HOPE and JOY!

Praise God! What a blessing your trip to Ukraine was!

Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!

 

Please don't be so quick to shut down my open opinion on this topic. I am being very genuine about this topic & you can trust that I have done research on this, as a matter a fact I believe that this could definitly be a factor of the Catholic Church in eclipse. Because the above posts show a respect for Fr. Malachi Martin (I also do), what is your opinion of Fr. Malachi Martin giving partial credit to the "Siri Thesis"? If anyone feels like this topic needs to be a thread of its own then please do create one.

 

MotherSuperior What a blessing. You have such interesting posts. I would also like to get the link to Maria-the lady you spoke to if it is available.

 

My blog. http://theheavenlygaze.blogspot.com/

 

i put in "the jesuits malachi" as a search term in this forum and came up with this old thread.

Very interesting posts.

But what I was looking for however is what anybody on the forum thought about the book written by Malachi Martin on the Jesuits.

You know me, a pathological aversion to spending money on books.

Have managed to load a kindle app on my tablet and get a sample of the ebook to read.

Again very interesting what i read.
A one line summary: The jesuits at war with the papacy/vatican??


But i still need a few positive responses to justify buying the book.
Any takers.

 

I never read this book , Jerry because I was always more interested in the Father's insights into the Supernatural. Being that Father Malachi was of a very Traditionalist bent the book would kind of write itself .

It is true true, pick a hundred Jesuits and you will get a hundred different opinions on the very same subject..as you will with all intellectuals.

But I can guess the script.. the hatchet out big time to his Jesuit confreres.

 

Get it from Amazon on a used book. It will be the best few bucks you ever spent. It answered tons of my questions like WHY wasn't JPII aware of what what going on in South/Central America and WHY didn't he stop it? WHY wasn't he aware of all the scandal and events going on in parishes around the world with homosexuality/free-for-all masses/catechism gone wild or gone at all etc.
Some of the SAME reasons why Pope Francis is having an all out war with the media with mis-quoting, Vatican officials apologizing a few days to late, too many fires --not enough firemen to care etc. Its real, its scary, it answers questions and all in all it gave me a whole new respect for JPII and the ONE Holy Apostolic Church and WHY our Lady has come---AND why the gates of Hell has not/and will not prevail against her! St. Ignatius pray for us!!

 

Here is an interview I transcribed a while back....Its 15 pages long. Excellent tho!!

April 18, 1996 Interview with Fr. Malachi Martin

Part I of II

Interviewer:

What is your connection to the Vatican?

Malachi Martin:

Well I worked there, especially with Pope John XXIII and Cardinal Bea, a German Cardinal who was stationed in Rome, and then worked with Paul VI. Left Rome and came to U.S., so you keep your friends, and your enemies, by the way, you never lose them, so I have very deep connections with a lot of people in Rome, although at the age of 75 they're being winnowed by 'Father Time'. I go back there periodically and keep a very close connection, and many of my books are about the Vatican and about the Papacy and about Catholicism and about religion in general, but particularly, the Vatican.

Interviewer:

One of your books is about the `New World Order'. What is it?

Malachi Martin:

The `New World Order' is a new system of financial arrangements by which the trade of the world has been re-organized according to the new globalist principles. Most people think the New World Order is about to come. The New World Order is here already, which means that our trade and the flow of capital and the flow of capital goods are regulated by an international body of men and women, mainly men, and that has only started, and, I suppose, when you are my age it will be in full swing. It's the New World order and it's going to regulate governments because all governments depend on money and if they don't get the money and don't have the flow of capital and capital goods; if they can't trade, they die.

That's the New World Order. Seventy or a hundred years ago a nation could live without ever trading. Now you can't, and even the so-called communist states like North Korea now find that they will perish unless they trade, and they have to enter this New World Order. It all depends how far this New World Order is going to go because the New World Order is animated by one thing, and one thing only - profit - money. You and I both know as human beings and as believers that money has no morality in itself, just as capitalism has no inherent morality in itself, so that if money is the dominant factor in the New World Order it must be leavened by belief and by religion and by the more beautiful things of human life, otherwise we will deteriorate into a jungle, so that's the New World Order.

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Interviewer:

You mentioned that the New World Order is controlled by global principles. Can you tell me about these global principles?

Malachi Martin:

The global principles nowadays are in ways rather baffling because there's no doubt about it that the tendency of the globalist groups now existing, who are very powerful, is to limit the population of the earth. It is to make certain continents both dumping grounds and extraction grounds, that is, grounds where waste can be dumped and where the goods of the earth can be extracted. It is very safe to say, for instance, that Africa, the continent of Africa, is now a place from which the other nations are going to extract goods, and they're not going to enrich Africa necessarily, and anyway, Africa politically is way back I suppose at the level at which Europe was in the 12th Century, not even that, so that there's no real governmental institutions in the various countries, but Africa is one of those countries which is unfortunate because the New World Order is going to use it as a place for extracting gold, oil, manganese, lead, wood, etc., etc., but not enriching it to the same measure, so that's one principle, it's to limit population the use of population.

Number two: There is the fact that certain nations are favored; there's no doubt about that. The major seven industrial nations have a higher standard of living and accordingly, as they advance their standard of living the others can't catch up. You can't imagine the Pygmies in the Kalahari Desert catching up with New York or England or Germany or Belgium or France, so there's necessarily a big division arising. You have that exemplified completely in India where there are about 25 million people who can hold their own with anybody in the West in culture, in science, in religion, and then you have a vast population ..

India is a perfect example of the condition of things today.

You have 20-25 million people who are completely cultured, who can hold their own in languages and in science and riches and culture and religion and learning with anybody in the West, or with anybody anyplace in the world, and the rest is a very primitive people, laboring under terrible conditions, socially bad conditions, politically bad conditions, physically bad conditions, and India is climbing to almost one billion in population, rivaling Communist China, so the globalists look on this as merely a phase in the development of humanity and they very easily speak about the useless eaters. Useless eaters are people who are not productive and who are old or little - little babies, too many babies, they're useless eaters, and old people who can't work, they're useless eaters also, so they have a very dispassionate view of humanity, and it's not Christian, or Buddhist or Jewish or religious in any sense of the word, it's strictly utilitarian because the principle is follow the money and money is, as we've said, totally amoral, there's no morality connected with it at all.

So that's the second principle of the New World Order. The third principle is homogenization. What it means by that is that they are going to establish one common education - East, West, North and South - so the children, say, in the former Soviet Union will be studying the same text books as children in Oshkosh, Wisconsin or in Surrey, England, or in Barry, Italy, in different languages, yes, perhaps, but the same education, so that there's a homogenization of culture and that, of course, means that traditional art forms like dance, theater, literature, acting, poetry, are all going to be leveled, and we're going to see the disappearance, and in fact, today, there is no great literature starting, there is no great musical movement, there's repetition of our past musical achievements, there's a little bit of progress in dance, but nothing, in the theater, there's nothing new.

These things have died down and humanity is entering a new phase under the impulse of globalism. Then, of course, there is always the political homogenization. There's no doubt about it that the plans of the globalists as such whether they are in the UN or whether they are in the trilateral commission or they are in the (pause) foreign policy associations around the world, their policy is to finally create one political will throughout the world, and therefore, to create a new sort of peace, and there's no doubt about it that the time will come when, for instance, Canada, the local legislators will legislate about trees in the park, about garbage collection, but they will not legislate about foreign policy.

That will be all done by the New World Government; and similarly with the United States. You can foresee the time when the Congress and the Senate in the United States will similarly be engaged in local matters but nothing major, nothing continental, and certainly nothing global. No foreign policy, no wars, nothing like that. These are the plans, however, there are a lot of obstacles in the way for these plans being achieved, but this is the New World Order. The New World Order is very inimical to traditional religion, it's very inimical to Judaism, it's very inimical to Christianity, and especially inimical to Roman Catholicism, because Roman Catholicism is almost one billion members now in its membership, it is spread throughout the world, it is political power and diplomatic power as well as religious power, and many a government has sought to bypass the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church to their cost. They find they can't.

They go back again and again. The reason is that this ancient dynamic in the Vatican and in the Roman Catholic Church that can't be bypassed, no matter what they do. The Vatican as such, and the Catholic Church as such, is unassimilable about the New World Order. Why? well, Catholicism claims the right to educate the child exclusively, whereas the New World Order wants to homogenize all education. The Catholic Church insists on regulating marriages and the family is the basic unit of society and the Catholic Church is against abortion and is against homosexuality, homosexual marriages and homosexual style of life which now is in great vogue at the present moment. (Note: loud horn noise is heard) It's against divorce in principle, it gives annulments but not divorces.

The Catholic Church in particular is an obstacle to the New World Order as it stands because the Catholic Church makes several demands which the New World Order does not like. The Church insists on education of the child. The Church insists on the family unit based on marriage in the Church, and the Catholic Church objects to genetic engineering, it objects to homosexuality, it objects to abortion and contraception. It has very strict rules on all these things. A lot of Catholics don't observe them but still and all the Church does officially. Just now in the last week eight American Cardinals wrote a letter to the American Government, to President Clinton in particular, attacking him for the latest bill he vetoed which against partial abortion.

Eight Cardinals is a hefty phalanx to face, even if you are President of the United States. On top of all that, there is no doubt about it that every secular organization, whether it be the Grand Lodge in any country or whether it be governments, do regard the Roman Catholic Church as a source of social stability and political stability and therefore they would like to get it on their side, so the struggle starting now at the present moment is between those in the Catholic Church who want to go along with the New World Order, and many bishops do, we have 4, 500 bishops in the Catholic Church, and roughly half of them would go along with the New World Order, the others say no, no, it's irreconcilable with our faith, so there's a huge war developing there.

The tendency of the present Pope is to go along with the New World Order, in fact he blesses the New World Order as much as he can. So that's the position of the New World Order and religion. Now the other major religions like Judaism and Buddhism and Hinduism are inept to resist the New World Order because they are based on an outlook which is pre-scientific. The Catholic Church and a lot of the Protestant churches, but the Catholic Church is the major body, has already entered into the scientific age. It's on the Internet, it's on the information highway, it has adapted itself to that. Hinduism can't do that, neither can Buddhism, neither can Confucianism. Judaism in its really pure form cannot either. They are isolationists. The Church has taken that on and we'll have to see what happens as the New World Order is established.
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