The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Imho, Abp Ganswein may in some way be speaking on behalf of PBXVI. With that statement, he may have been hinting at the fact that PBXVI never really abdicated the papacy of his own free will.
    He is someone in close contact with PBXVI and has been with him for many years. He was in tears when PBXVI left the papal accommodations.
    The following interview gives insight into his thoughts:

    English Transcript of Archbishop Gänswein's EWTN Germany Interview
    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edwa...hbishop-gaensweins-interview-with-ewtn-german



    In Blessed Anne Emmerich's vision of Aug 25, 1820:

    “Last night I was taken to Rome where the Holy Father immersed in his sorrow, is still hiding to elude dangerous demands (made upon him). He is still very weak, and exhausted by sorrows, cares and prayers. He can now trust but few people. That is mainly why he is hiding. But he still has with him an aged priest who has much simplicity and godliness. He is his friend and because of his simplicity they did not think it would be worth removing him. But this man receives many graces from God. He sees and notices a great many things which he faithfully reports to the Holy Father. It was required of me to inform him while he was praying, of the traitors and evil doers who were to be found among the high ranking servants living close to him, so that he might be made aware of it.”

    Somehow, I can't shake off the feeling that this may refer to Abp Ganswein (although he is not 'aged').
     
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  2. padraig

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  3. Dolours

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    That's the most charitable assessment to be made at this stage. Either that or they're feeding him magic mushrooms.

    Here's the line-up for the Synod on Youth, Faith and Vocation Discernment to be held next month: https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2018/09/15/0644/01374.html

    The Pope nominated 39 of them, including Marx, Cupich, Tobin, Paglia and the Spadaro creep. Spardaro is reported to have tweeted something along the lines of the rest of the world not being as up in arms as the Americans about the abuse scandals - that it's mostly an internal US political fight.

    Looks like half the Curia will be there by default. Farrell, O'Malley, et al will also be there. Imagine being the parent of a young man considering entering the priesthood knowing he would be in the care of that shower. The Irish representatives will be the Archbishop of Armagh and the Bishop of Derry. The Jesuit Superior General will be there too. Perhaps he has changed his mind about Satan being an early Christian construct now that the Pope has decided there's a whole lot of Satans and they're all Catholics asking how much he knew about McCarrick before sending him to pave the way for the deal with the Communists.

    I wonder how long it will take for the satirical websites to do mock-up pictures of the Pope handing the keys to President Xi.
     
  4. Dolours

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    I doubt it. I get the impression that Archbishop Ganswein is the type who tells people what they want to hear. I thought it might have referred to Pope John Paul and perhaps a priest he trusted.
     
  5. SgCatholic

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    I am in agreement with the points in the following article:

    St. Malachy: Case for Authenticity
    http://www.unamsanctamcatholicam.com/history/79-history/313-malachy-case-for-authenticity.html

    2 things I wish to highlight are:
    1) that this prophecy was included in
    the 1913 Catholic Encyclopaedia, where the arguments against the authenticity of the prophecy are mentioned, but it is also pointed out that none of these arguments are conclusive and that the jury is still out.
    2) two of the greatest scholars and exegetes of the Tridentine period considered the prophecies completely authentic: Cornelius Lapide (1567-1637) and Onofrio Panvinio (1529-1568).


     
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  6. SgCatholic

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    I shouldn't laugh but this is so funny :LOL:
     
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  7. SgCatholic

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    But it was stated specifically in reference to the 2 popes that Blessed Emmerich saw in her visions.
    So it couldn't have referred to Pope JPII.
     
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  8. Dolours

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    We have about 20 years at the most to find out whether it's authentic. Then again, the Modernists could find a Francis lookalike and pass him off as a walking miracle. :D:D
     
  9. SgCatholic

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    That reminds me, the last of these prophecies states:
    "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End."
    Imho, this describes a true shepherd. Cannot be PF.
     
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  10. padraig

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    'That's the most charitable assessment to be made at this stage'

    :D
     
  11. DeGaulle

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    That's great advice. The most level-headed article about this mess that I have so far read.
     
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  12. DeGaulle

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    It would be a great line for an abuser to keep his victim quiet-by telling him that to complain or report it is to do the work of the devil. No doubt, the abusers or potential abusers, who haven't yet worked this out, are taking copious notes. May God help us.
     
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  13. padraig

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    In so many ways pope Francis reminds me of myself before my converion when I was 26. I was rude, nasty, egocentric, outof control impulsive, bad tempered, violent, totally lacking in self understanding, with no Faith, constantly seeking the high opinions of others, extremely immature ..and the list goes on and on.

    This was repulsive in a 26 year old but in a man of Pope Francis 's years and postion it is utterly deplorable. In many years in dealing with the Holy Father we are dealing , I supect who froze at the Emotional and maturative state of a 14 year old. I find it spooky like shadow boxing with a much younger toad like self. But it does help me very greatly to understand him. I was hovering back then on the edge of insanity, burnt by my own evil. I think Pope Francis is much further to the edge of the cliff than this. I suspect the only thing that keeps him back from crumbling is the high position he occupied and has occupied. All the adulation, the flattery, the power to do what and when he likes is what holds him together, he feeds on it.

    Justin Trudeau is another good example of a basket case like this. I don;t think we have ever had a basket case for Pope before; it is quite a novelty.

    The evil indivuals who had him elected knew all this of course; for who is easier to manipulate than a child? Throw him the least bone of flattery and the guy will jump through hoops for you.

     
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  14. HeavenlyHosts

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    Definitely not aged
     
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  15. DeGaulle

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    One could interpret the prophesy as referring to a time before the resignation. The priest might be Vigano!
     
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  16. Dolours

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    Sounds good. Or it could be Cdl. Muller. The "black" priest in that prophecy could be symbolic - a Jesuit perhaps?
     
  17. MMM

    MMM Archangels

    I wonder how much the sacrament of confession plays into the popes resistance to reveal "past" sins. I wonder if he actually believes that his own or those accused that may have received absolution for related sins believe that they have been forgiven by Christ and therefore it would be evil to expose publicly past forgiven sins. How often do you think any of these lavender mofia types go to an orthodox for confession? I would guess never. It might be more like a liberal confession club. Assuming they would be confessing these actual sins in the first place. Say 3 Our Fathers and you are good to go!!
     
  18. HeavenlyHosts

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    I think you have pointed out the crux of the matter.
    Repentance? Reparation?
    Do we see that? Or do we see hiding?
     
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  19. DeGaulle

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    The sacrament of confession is only binding on the confessor (and presumably the sinner). This privacy does not apply to information from any other source. Confession provides, in the case of genuine repentance, forgiveness by Christ and his Church. If there is still a debt to be paid to Caesar, is it moral to interfere with this? If it is, it certainly seems to contradict the willingness of so many in the Church to become closer to the world in so many other matters. Some of them believe that agreeing with the secular world with respect to sodomy and same-sex 'marriage' and so on is all fine and dandy, but when they need to save their own skins from criminal investigation, they conveniently deem themselves immune from this and far above the world. Funnily enough, I doubt the same defense would be provided by them for anyone outside the Golden Circle, no matter how much confessing had been done.
     
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  20. Dolours

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    Fr. Palka's blog touched on that. He said that the lavender types deliberately choose faithful priests for confession because they know that the priest is then bound by the seal of confession. I think he also said that they sometimes use confession to suss out men who might be persuadable. I read that that is one of the reasons a superior can't hear the confession of a subordinate. Everyone is subordinate to the Pope but nearly all the Bishops were on a par with him at some stage. It's possible that the seal of Confession could have restricted the Pope in some way but that wouldn't explain him taking Daneels out of retirement or returning McCarrick to active duty. Who knows. The seal of Confession only applies to confessed sins.
     
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