It seems that one liberal was pushed and the other has jumped. The first was ejected for one ad hominem insult too far. The second has decided we are not good enough for him because he conflates criticism of a pope with abuse. Those who remain should not lose any sleep over it. There is always debate on this forum and some can get quite heated but one of its great attractions for me, since I joined, was the general adherence to the issues and the absence of personal insult. This reliance on reason is a great sanctuary from the typical emotional bullying and mockery to be found in so many areas of the internet. The lessons to be learned, I think, are the almost universal traits of those of a liberal persuasion to deploy insult instead of argument when they come under pressure and their acute inability to accept criticism of either themselves or their ideas. It inevitably results in throwing the rattle out of the pram. It is hard to understand the mindset, but I can only conclude myself that it has something to do with the disconnect of their ideological self-created universe from the actual reality that exists. It's common to liberalism on all fronts. Can anyone on here explain it?
Hi Padraig, Your thinking comes from events that happened in your past. Anger is not a good emotion for us humans. May I pray for your peace? God Bless you Janet
You don't need Padraig's permission to pray for his peace. In fact, we don't need anyone's permission to pray for them. Just go ahead and do it.
Anger and insults come in many forms, Janet. Such as the passive/ aggressive one of imagining oneself to be a qualified Psychiatrist and reading imaginary mental tea leaves. Joe / Smudger got his ass kicked for insults not his opinions.
Ah, the tag team match continues! One fouls out, another immediately steps in to take his place. Amazing.
Blessed Elena Aiello: Sister Elena Aiello asked Our Blessed Mother: “What will become of Italy? Will Rome be saved?” “The Madonna answered:” ‘In part, by the Pope! The Church will be in travail, but the forces of Hell cannot prevail! You must suffer for the Pope and Christ, and thus Christ will be safe on earth; and the Pope, with his redemptive word, will, in part, save the world.’
Hi Janet, I am sorry but in my opinion and again, I know this forum for years, I started to be known online here and nowhere else, I know most of the members for years as well, so by Respect for these members as for the owner, Janet you are probably Joe Crozier as well, I told you in my last message, please be fair and stop it once and for all, you know me also, we already lost too much souls with the current state of the Church, so my Friend, enough is enough, thank you again. PS : Padraig, I am sorry again but Janet is of course Joe Crozier, my apologies, I did not knew years ago that this former reader of my blog was so modernist in no way, thank you for your understanding.
I know you David as well, not me directly but few talk to me about you months ago, you are a strong faithful of Vassula Readen, condemned by Pope Benedict himself, you have also a kind of blog where you are promoting her messages (the so called True life of God, only the title should be clear for most of us) Vassula Readen, Orthodox receiving for years and according to her, messages from the Lord as from the Lady, after all these years, strangely she is still orthodox and not Catholic yet, however the only truth Faith according to our Lord himself, how is it possible ? Vassula is also and of course a faithful of Pope Francis, with all Respect, this fact probably explains most of your comments on this forum, thank you.
Padraig I believe that Mother Angelica is truly a saint. There are so many things that have infiltrated the Catholic Church as to make it almost sterile. Illustrative is the story of Fr. Ronan' Murphy (https://airmaria.com/2010/01/05/vid...?sn=53&vp=9656&prefx=shrtv&plyrnb=1&ttl=Short) as just one example. Those responsible appear to have as their ultimate aim to denude the Church of reality of the Real Presence. Currently after persistent effort over the past 50+ years, they have almost succeeded in subtracting the consciousness of the Faithful to the reality of Jesus's true Presence in the Blessed Sacrament, by delinquency such as (1) failure to remind us of the need to frequent confession, lest we profane God by sacrilegious Communion (2) by inviting lay "ministers" to participate in giving communion, and their purifying the sacred vessels, more recently, by dressing the altar for Mass.. etc. (3) by asking the Faithful to remain standing until the last communicant has received, in a show of "communion" [we have received our Lord whom should only occupy our thoughts], (4) the Church's failure to comment publicly and forcefully (eg Bishop Elb of Austria and priests such as Fr. Flannery) and permitting "anti-Catholic" shows use 'Catholic' facilities, to promote their agenda. All of this has a negative impact on one's soul. I just find it especially difficult to understand our Pope's apparent readiness to adopt a position that would likely lead to more sacriligous communions. He was the Argentinian Cardinal involved the the Eucharistic miracle. God Bless
For David and mothersuperior7, Dolours found the original interveiw that was not presented by lifesitenews. It follows; however I and many others, still have the same questions! Bishop Elbs: "Terrorism is blasphemy" The Bishop of Vorarlberg, Benno Elbs, would like to see in the "Presse" -interview that representatives of Islam would also appear more clearly against terrorism 23.12.2016 | 18:39 | by Dietmar Neuwirth (the press) Christmas is considered a feast of love. How can this message in the face of the terrorist attack be taken to a Berlin Christmas market recently? Benno Elbs: Love means that I am standing with a person just then, go with him and try to carry with me when it is the most difficult. Love never goes away, especially when suffering, death, grief, despair fall upon someone. That is why solidarity is a Christmas symbol. What provokes and provokes us provocatively is the demand of Jesus for the love of love, for the one who loves love itself. But only that can break through the spiral of hatred and destruction. Why is the hatred so often so much stronger in the face of current warlike conflicts like in Syria? I am convinced that love is always stronger than hate, even if it looks different at first sight. Hate is a sign of weakness. Christmas is the Feast of Independence against hatred, violence, oppression. Christmas celebrates the trust that love, the positive, the solidarity. Terrorism tries to destroy this basic situation by creating space for anxiety, distrust, despair and distress in order to stir even more hatred. On the other hand, we should fight as Christians, because in all need and despair the signs of solidarity, love and devotion become bigger. We were able to experience this in the face of the plight of the refugees. Nevertheless, if God is love, as the New Testament says, How impious is our world? If God is love, it means that He gives man freedom. Man is free also for evil, godless, for diabolic and destructive action. Therefore it is blasphemy, blasphemy, when someone kills "in the name of God". I would also like to say that representatives of Islam always say this very clearly: terrorism is blasphemy. What does Love and love mean to you at all in the 21st century? There is love as emotion and feeling. We find this strongly in personal relationships. And there is love as a foundation. That is, to build uncompromising bridges, to radically try to respect the other respectfully. This comes from the conviction, as Frère Roger Schutz says, that God has written a story with every human being and everyone has a story with God. Love means, then, to meet every person in this attitude of respect, respect and appreciation. Christmas is also considered a feast for the family. How do you define the family face of change over the past decades? Family is a place where people grow up, become great, become strong, where they learn what they need to live. Many surveys confirm this. Of course, family is also where people decide to live together. The Christian image of family goes beyond it. I see the term family as a place of longing where people experience security. This is also true for homosexuals? Yes.What does he means here? Has it not taken a long time for the Church to approach the life-reality of men and their relations? For me the experiences of the Synod (to the family) were illuminating. There are infinite disparities. The situation in Africa or Asia is completely different from that in Europe. Our questions are a narrow section of reality. In Africa, topics like homosexuality or divorced people do not interest. There is hunger, flight, women are raped and abused. This slowness is therefore understandable. The Pope has spoken of inculturation and thought that one must look more closely at what is important in the individual regions. This is a great advance. Now, as bishops, we are calling on Europe to tackle the problems of our kind, and there is the papal permission to do so.I hope the Bishop speaks for himself and not for the Holy Father Is there not a risk that the non-simultaneity might become worse? This is the price. It needs a good balance for traveling together and unity with the pope and world church. We were not very satisfied with the previous attempt at centralization in Europe. We must be prepared to live with tensions. That's part of it. Where were the greatest tensions during the Synod? The greatest tensions were on the subject of failure, that is, on the topic of the remarried divorced. The other very exciting point was access to people with homosexual orientation. There is the point of view of illness and healing up to respect and non-discrimination. What does he means here? The composition of the German language group was particularly interesting: with Cardinal Müller, who, as the Congregation for the Congregation of the Congregation, has boosted the ban on receiving the sacrament for the divorced who had newly married, and Cardinal Kasper, who demanded the opposite. How was a common paper possible? The great theologians were there. There was an extremely open conversation climate. Cardinal Schönborn succeeded as the leader, despite the injuries, which in the run-up partly. We had all unanimity, and the Pope accepted much. To this extent the German language group has had a great influence.I hope the Bishop speaks for himself and not for the Holy Father How disappointed were you that the demand for an apology for those with whom the Church was harshly circumvented is lacking in synods? I would have liked that. This was inconceivable in the mentality of some representatives at the Synod. Do you think it is adequate for the opening of the reception of the sacraments for divorced, newly married women, only in a footnote of the Pope? Whether or not this is in the footnote is not significant. I do not mind. The entire paper breathes the mind that the individual man finds in his conscience a way to deal with situations of life. Others, including bishops, are very disturbing. Auxiliary Bishop Kratzl criticized the Pope as too much for individual cases and neglected to change the doctrine. I disagree with Bishop Krätzl reluctantly, but I must do so. The doctrine is changed in that the open door is there. People have done this before, but now, with the blessing of the Pope, they can, so to speak, make the decision of conscience. This is a major development.I hope the Bishop speaks for himself and not for the Holy Father It is only reproduced, which was at least in Central Europe standard. Or have you divorced the Communion in a new marriage? No, that's what many pastors have done. I am perfectly right. The Pope says that this is good pastoral actionI hope the Bishop speaks for himself and not for the Holy Father Is this path irreversible? This is irreversible, it has been a long time in pastoral practice. Also theological. One must not commit the mistake, now design new rules. Further development is the attitude that goes beyond norms. What is lacking is a departure from the prohibition of artificial methods of conception. Has the courage been lacking? Was the topic too unimportant to the bishops? Or has the practice made the teaching obsolete? No one is true. Synthetic paper notes that natural contraceptive control is recommended. Recommended. The birth control is in the conscience decision of the couple. How left alone is the Pope? That not all amused, is clear. The Pope is very resolutely taking the path with a clear view of Jesus' actions. I hope the Bishop speaks for himself and not for the Holy Father . Francis demands bold suggestions from bishops. Where are they from Austria? We have expressed ourselves courageously to political issues such as the refugees. Do you have understanding for those who say there is a limit of resilience achieved? I have strong understanding of the fears of people. It is the task of Christians to have the foundation of the merciful Samaritan. The opposite is my concern. John Paul II has spoken of intelligent neighborly love. That I can not get 80,000 every year, I understand. You are young for a bishop. Do you believe that you will experience priestesses? I do not believe that. So there we have it!
