Gog and Magog battle seen by Jewish youth

Yes, what you say about the Church being the new Israel is true. Verne's message in the book God Speaks Will You Listen speaks to this truth.

 

There are enough connections between Natan's NDE and Catholic prophecy to give me great pause.

First of all, I'm indebted to MMM. He made a number of good points which I will reiterate:

He revealed Jesus in every way possible without using His name. He said He was very well known by many, already exists and many will be surprised to find out who He is. He is sinless. He will decide who enters Heaven or not, meaning all will pass through Him before God. It wasn't the boy's place to reveal Christ's Name but to warn, and what a serious warning it was.

If Natan had an authentic experience of the near future and mentioned that Jesus was the Messiah, this video would never had happened. He would have been rejected by his fellow Jews and not seen the light of day. So perhaps the Lord revealed according to the teenager's Jewish sensibilities in order to get the word out.

The passage from Zechariah 12 might very well be an image of the Warning and in revealing Himself as Messiah, Jesus would shatter the preconceptions of the Jews. They would be surprised indeed:

10 "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of mercy and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

Now Natan reveals that the examination of men's hearts will occur at the splitting of the Mount of Olives in two:

14:3 Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle. 4 In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.

According to Natan, this will occur supposedly in a brief 2- week war known as Gog-Magog (See Ezek 38). It is interesting that Our Lady of Zaro is predicting an imminent war that might even include an earthquake! Are these two predictions dovetailing?

Children, the noise of war will still be heard in this land [or: on this earth] that will yet shake greatly... (1/26/16).


There are several other connections. Natan mentions 70 nations! Though that seems impossible, there are a ton of nations involved right now, even China, NATO, and a score of Muslim nations. Natan also said that Israel will not be attacked first. He said a spark would first set off an intense conflict in Syria. We see that a Saudi-Turkish alliance including many nations is poised to attack. It makes sense that with all those Muslim countries fighting in a nation on Israel's border, that they may be tempted to change direction and focus on their common enemy, Israel!


Finally, if the spark was ignited in late April and the Warning occurred within 2 weeks of that date, then an April, 2017 Miracle would fit in with Conchita of Garabandal's timetable.

Food for thought. Lord have mercy!

Safe in the providential Plan of God!

 

I found this on youtube. It's a transcript of Natans interview because I couldn't understand everything being said and it also expounds on the Jewish terminology. The poster was a bit skeptical like us but also fascinated with what appeared to be a true testimony.

God Bless!

 

The boy told that the Messiah can't be someone already dead, currently without a body, and that the Messiah is currently in our world, with a body. Thus still I can't understand why for some people he was describing Jesus.

 

Jesus has always been in our world since his death and ressurection, only look to the holy sacrifice of the mass. He is present in every Catholic Church at every moment. Body,blood,soul, and divinity. Nothing to not understand here, just a basic belief of the One,a Holy,Catholic, and Apostolic church.

 

The boy was obviously describing a man in the flesh, like you and me. You should really watch the video again, because he's making some controversial points. Indeed, according to the boy, everyone we know or that we've known during our lives, could potentially be the Messiah. This is why, at some point, he added that everyone will exclaim "Oh, he's the Messiah?". That man will kill Obama, or whoever Gog is going to be, to later bury his body in the land of Israel, and I personally would find hard to think that the killer will be Jesus.

Anyway, a very special man in the flesh will show himself, and that man is the Antichrist, which will persecute Christians ONLY. There will be another man during the end of times (it appear to be the Great Monarch, but in his "real" form, different to the one described in the prophecies of centuries ago, and more compatible with our times). He will be a great man of faith who will help humanity to walk in the path of God again (with a great chance during the period of schism and persecution of the Church). Some nations will even be converted, but unfortunately after all of the good he will have done to the Catholic Church, he will be killed, and he won't see the final Triumph of the Church... The Triumph of the Immaculate Hearth of Mary.

But I do not want to digress. Finally, the boy told that in Heaven he watched many people reading the Torah, and as someone here already noticed, he never mentioned Jesus Christ. So, while he had a chance to know Jesus with his NDE, and share his experience with others, it didn't happen, yet he claims to know almost everything about the future. I find all of this to be very strange.

 

In my opinion, this would make more sense, if true:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Kaduri#Mashiach

 

Fascinating video. It doesn't say that the boy actually saw the Messiah but learned that people would be very surprised when He was revealed, ... and would be already well known!

Also, this figure, being spotless, never having sinned gets mixed in with....since he converted....could easily speak to Christ as the NEW ADAM. Since the boy says that all will be surprised at just Who the Messiah turns out to be....and of course we know just why since Jesus has already been rejected for that role, esp. by the Jews....and esp. by such orthodox types! I think when he mentions that the Messiah will be someone who has never sinned since "he" has repented means that the Christ took on the sins of man in order to convert man and represents as well then the second Adam who of course had sinned and thus needed the Representative of perfection to take on that sin Himself! But this boy isn't by his own faith training able as yet to make this interpretation.

And since his own faith is still of the judgement of the OT type, such personal and public judgement by "law givers" in his NDE is the type of "just" judgement that students and rabbis of the orthodox faith would accept as normal....until they come to understand the New Covenant established by the One they are as yet to personally med and acceptt.

 

Natan's original testimony is almost 2 hours long and only in Hebrew. The 38 min video with english subtitles is clearly missing a lot. He's NDE happened on Sept. 28, 2015. (same date at the 4th blood moon)

Although no one has to believe this and I am not fully convinced there is too much "good stuff" in Natan's testamony not to dig more into it and hear more Christian perspectives on it. If he is correct this is as serious a warning as any I've heard. I emailed Mark Mallett and hopefully he will take some time to review and weigh in on it. Mark's current lenten retreat has been deep and meaningful for me.

Finding out the saviour is here in the flesh as the Eucharist is going to surprise many!! Including a massive number of Christians!! This may not be what he is revealing but it is a strong possibilty. As for Jews in the afterlife studying the Torah in the first level of Heaven this makes sense to me. He job isn't to reveal Christ but to warn, especially Jews. As he said, having a kipa on your head isn't getting you into heaven (it doesn't work like that he said), only the weight of your good works vs. your trasgressions will. It stated clearly the massiah will decide your fate and once dead you can no longer do the good works you had time for here. (or the opposite) It may not be heaven at all but purgatory he is talking about.

Perhaps referring to Obama as gog doesn't mean the anti-christ but a major player in triggering this war. I tend to believe the warming or illumination will be the pause in the war, the mount of olives splitting and Jesus being revealed. Then only after when people finally know the truth and have to choose will the ac come on the scene.

Seems a important time to get to confession and make the best of the remaining lenten days before Easter. This year I plan to fully participate in the Divine Mercy prayer process and pray I can earn the merits promised by Christ on that day. This relatively simple process always proves challenging for me each year. The fallen one fights hard to stop this.

 

if I am not mistaken Jesus will not walk again on the earth until final judgement. He can appear crucified in the sky as St. Faustia saw but he will not walk the earth again until final judgement as stated in revelation. Is this not a key for us not to be misled when we hear Jesus is here or Jesus is there?

 

The saying, 'the Messiah is here the Messiah is there is false and a deception of the evil one. Perhaps what Nathan saw was a figure of the antichrist, which being uneducated in the faith he may have thought or was told by the Rabbi that this person was the Messiah.

 

Something I found a bit interesting was that Natan said that this WWIII started on 9/11/2015, so I did a little checking and the only thing that popped out at me from this exact date was that the Republicans in the Senate failed to secure enough votes to derail the Iran nuclear agreement. It was characterized as a major foreign policy victory for gog, er, Obama.

Another concern for me is that in Charlie Johnston's view, the Storm we are in culminates in a Rescue by the Mother of God late in 2017, and marks a NEW beginning, and not the end described in Revelations, and by Natan's testmony. After the Rescue all of those who survive will begin to rebuild our world, and we will experience a period of peace and prosperity rooted in belief, worship and complete reliance on God. This peaceful period will extend up until the next great apostasy and then THAT is when Christ returns.

Regardless, I remain focused on acknowledging God, taking the next right step and being a source of hope to others.

 

Yes, that event around this Iranian deal was what I was trying to remember as to when it practically became finalized. I believe Natan said that Iran will hit Israel (thanks to our help....and Russia's). I was also thinking about how Obama really began the uprising movement of chaos in the Middle East by his "Arab Spring" which opened Libya up to the biggest thugs in the neighborhood...same with Egypt....and thus encouraging the spread of the terror.

And it does seem that the means for all those countries....seventy.....to all at once come against Israel .... would be via the UN which pathway Obama and his regime has been promoting over even our own national sovereignty. And why would Obama be in Israel in order for him to be killed and buried there? Will he show up to take credit for destroying Israel in the aftermath? Sounds like him!!

With the description of the New Era to be even better than Eden and with everything beyond anything we could imagine in what we've known....with a new light beyond the brightness of the sun, etc., I don't see the remnant as somehow rebuilding such a new world (as we've known it or even like the early Church is now imagined) themselves as Charlie seems to imply....like pulling themselves up again by their boot straps or something and creating such a new world by their own simple efforts. Such preternatural gifts et al as Adam had and beyond would rather be more like gifts....just as removing Satan from the scene for a period is a given. Seems more like a gift to those who remain faithful through all of the purification.

 

Did any of you get the chance to watch the post from Andy about the NDE of Howard Storm? It's pretty fascinating as well. The thing that I thought was fascinating (besides him being saved by prayers from a nun) was that he said in 200 yrs (from 1985) we would be living very simplistically. That we would still be subject to natural law but would be able to heal with prayer and communicate telepathically because of the oneness with God and nature. Wow. This really sounds to me like the reign of the Holy Spirit at its best and the restoration of man with God and the Garden of Eden. I would like to know what anyone who watched this video thought?

God Bless!

 

Howard storms testimony is on you tube. It's excellent.

 

I watched it repeadly ...over four years...there is something about it that rings very true.

 

There is a whole series of interviews with Howard Storm. On one he mentions what he was shown about "other worlds" in God's creation....with various weird forms of "people", some much more brilliant and intelligent than humans on earth with the idea that in other worlds those "persons" can have a different form of relationship with Jesus, 2nd Person of Trinity...since they don't have original sin and wouldn't need Him therefore as a savior!!

Also for those who are projecting something about the Messiah's identity from Natan's NDE interview.....it doesn't seem that he was shown any definite identity of this Messiah Person (as he was of Gog)...only that He would reveal Himself when the Mount of Olives splits in two.....speaking of the Messiah:

Now it can be someone who we actually know very well. Lots and lots of people know him, according to what I understood. But everyone will be very, very surprised that he is of all people the Mashiach.”

And the Rabbi who had previously heard everything about the NDE prior to the interview knew to ask Natan to give the identity of Gog since he knew Natan was told that specifically, but did not go beyond the fact that Natan only understood that the Messiah would be someone a lot of people know. He only related qualities that this Person would have.

 

Very interesting information on the background of the Rabbi who was sought out by Natan to help explain what happened to him. And the response from unexpected Rabbis like:

Popular American Rabbi Zechariah Wallerstein, founder of Ohr Yitzchak Seminary, is one such rabbi. In a recent lecture, Wallerstein said about the messages in the video, “These are tough times, times of Moshiach (messiah) for sure. Many people say they’ve heard that before, but this is very different. This isn’t just against the Jews. This is against the Temple Mount, against where the Temple was.”

Breaking Israel News asked Rabbi Wallerstein if he thought Natan was telling the truth. “I believe that he definitely saw what he said he saw. We know the other side has the power of illusion, so it might be a trick. But he talks about things that would be impossible to know unless you actually saw it.”


http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/5...sh-prophecy-jewish-world/#ryavYODMKoufGzpW.97

 

From what I understand, it is the splitting of Mount Olives in two that brings about two things: the great Warning followed by the Antichrist. This fits other messages, such as the ones in GSWYL, which say's the AC will manifest himself after the Warning.