Red, I hope I didn't sound snotty in my previous reply, I defend John Leary and if it turns out John is false, well, his hearing about the order of events hasn't changed all these years in my reading. Someone please show me the error in Our Lord's words about the Era of Peace in the Leary's message I posted? That is why there is the two Catholic camps, one group will not look at all the messages.
Hi Jackie, personally I gave up trying to make detailed sense of all these issues because in the end I found its like trying to pin jelly to the wal. At a detailed level nothing really fits well between different authors and even in hindsight showing how the prophecies were fulfilled in history...well people often disagree over that as well. You say Jesus doesn't reveal everything...but I am not sure Jesus reveals much in the way of clear historical prophecy. Much seems to be symbolic and vague and easily fulfilled by the usual range of temporal tragedies that inevitably ocurr either locally or regionally at any given time somewhere "nearby." What would be clear examples for you? The miracles used to "prove" the supernatural appearances are much more clear but these aren't exactly prophecies of important future historical events on the national or world stage.
2000 years ago what were the expectations re. the arrival of the Messiah? Could it be that the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart may be something that for the vast majority will be unrecognizable as an event? I would love a putting right of all sin in the world but could it be a heart by heart affair?
I think the Triumph will not go unnoticed by the majority , As Our Lord points out ,the main reason is to place devotion to her with his own heart... (Lucy) Intimately I have spoken to Our Lord about the subject, and not too long ago I asked Him why He would not convert Russia without the Holy Father making that Consecration? (Jesus) Because I want My whole Church to acknowledge that Consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that it may extend its cult later on, and put the Devotion to My Mothers Immaculate Heart beside the Devotion to My Sacred Heart. Also when we read this from Our Lady of Quito.... 'This will mark the arrival of my hour, when I, in a marvelous way, will dethrone the proud and cursed Satan, trampling him under my feet and fettering him in the infernal abyss."
Funnilly enough the Venezualan mystic Maria Esperanza spoke of a Second Cming of Christ that would kind of creep up on us without anyone knowing. Rather like the appearance of Jesus on the Road to Emmaus. But the Warning itself seems by all accounts to be very much in your face.
http://www.the-gospel-truth.info/bible-prophecy/jerusalem/ http://www.reasons.org/articles/art...ecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible
I think we're really talking about private revelation (Bible is prob regarded as public revelation) via seers and mystics of more recent times allegedly prophecying about significant historic events of our times.
Padraig said...Funnilly enough the Venezualan mystic Maria Esperanza spoke of a Second Cming of Christ that would kind of creep up on us without anyone knowing. I Think the bible already told us more. 'For as lightning cometh out of the east, and appeareth even into the west: so shall the coming of the Son of man be'. which doesnt sound like 'creeping up'
Blue Horizon, hello, General sounding prophecies or mention of historical temporal events going on along with the spiritual events prophesied do not confuse me, my thing is, I imagine that the spiritual prophesied is "soon." I didn't check for the exact quote but the Blessed Mother repeats to Pedro Regis repeatedly, you have many years of difficulties ahead. I get a let down feeling every time I read this but God knows the time when most souls can be saved. Maybe, it is mistranslation , I wish or Our Lady means Tribulation now leading up to and including the Great Tribulation. We see the daily messages from Heaven and for so long now. Why? Oh the timing thing again. God takes a long time to prepare us because so many doubt the prophets. Plus He speaks in the manner and way each prophet thinks BUT the order of events and the major mystical events prophesied are the same. Peter B gave a reason for the difference in belief between the two groups of Catholic watchers. On page 4 of the Cletus Schefers thread. they don't understand prophecy about the Millennium. Millennium in the messages means a long time, maybe even a thousand years. God states in the messages only He knows the exact time for this new time, the Era of Peace. Respectfully, I think the difference between these two groups of Catholic watchers, they do not look at -yet to be approved- private revelation. You can read messages in which Our Lord and the Blessed Mother state the sequence of events, Light of Mary, Pastor Enoc, messages to Verne and Cletus and John Leary. These four haven't been approved yet and are not the only examples. They all agree on the order of prophesied events and describe the mystical events prophesied.
This, Padraig, is exactly why I don't believe that the La Salette "short" period of peace is a future event linked with the promise of Fatima (the Triumph). It would not seem to be a Triumph at all...and continual attempts to interpret it as a a future event, and squeeze it into the chronology of more recent revelation, are serving to confuse. From my understanding, the La Salette visionaries' own admissions of timing (from 1846 - 1946, then a little longer, up to maybe 2000 for the birth of the antichrist) indicate that everything has now passed as far as these France-centered prophecies are concerned. I sense that Divine Mercy, Fatima, Akita, Garabandal, and others all point toward a real "culminating" Triumph over evil, yet through fire, right? (Though some do argue that the Divine Mercy revelation's reference to the Day of Mercy and Day of Justice are not consistent with a Warning, Chastisement, Era of Peace chronology...) You have spoken with the Blessed Mother, and seem to still have mystical communication with her. What sense do you make of it? Maybe you could ask her....
I hope you all don't mind, I didn't know where to put this comment. I didn't want to start a new thread. I previously shared in this thread, John Leary lines up with Light of Mary. Today, I replied about current refugees escaping persecution on another discussion forum that is Protestant. The Holy Family were refugees, they had to flee to Egypt. We will become refugees too. My question here at MOG today is, what is wrong, not true of this sequence given John Leary? Many do not believe John's message are for real but Our Lord would reveal the sequence of end time events and explain them very simply for everyone to understand. Tuesday, November 24, 2015 (St. Andrew and Vietnamese companions) Jesus said: “My people, in the Gospel, even My apostles were asking Me when I would be returning to the earth. This curiosity of the time of My return has had people concerned for many years. It is not important to know the times appointed by My Father, but it is important to remain faithful to My Commandments. I told My apostles that I would return on the clouds, just as I left them, when I ascended into heaven. I have given you signs in the Scriptures when you will see famine, earthquakes, and pestilence. I have even given you a sequence of events that would start with My Warning, and six weeks after for the conversion of sinners. Then you will see a man-made famine, a division in My Church, and a martial law from bankruptcy, pandemic virus, and terrorist events. This would be followed by mandatory chips in the body. All of these things would lead up to the tribulation of the Antichrist. His reign will be less than 3½ years for the sake of My elect. Then I will bring My victory over the evil ones with My Comet of Chastisement. During the tribulation, I will have your angels lead you to places of refuge, where you will be protected by a shield of invisibility. Before the comet kills two-thirds of humanity, I will raise My faithful up into the air so you are not killed by the comet. The evil ones will be cast into hell, and I will renew the earth. I will then bring My faithful down into My Era of Peace as your reward. Later, you will be prepared to come into heaven. Rejoice, because you know the end of the story, and I will be victorious over the evil ones. So do not be afraid, but trust in My protection.” ... Scroll down ~ http://www.johnleary.com/index.php/2015/12/?cat=3&order=ASC
It would be very cool if the renewal of the Earth would only be 5-6 years away from now. Anyway, the sequence you posted looks very similar to the one proposed by Antonio Yague with his studies about Sacred Astronomy. But... where would you place the Great Monarch, supposing that he'll really exist? And what about the 25 years of peace promised at La Salette before the coming of the two beasts? Something is wrong, as you could imagine.
The main problem I have with this is "I will raise My faithful up into the air so you are not killed by the comet". This sort of rapture is purely protestant. I have never read reliable Catholic prophecy to state we will be lifted up into the air while all the bad guys are killed except in fundamentalist churches.
Thank you for asking these two questions. I could definitely be wrong about John Leary. I searched for prophecy about the Great Monarch. Doesn't this older prophecy sound like the time of the Millennium, the prophesied Era of Peace? This is repeated for years in Leary's messages. http://catholicrevelations.org/PR/prophecies regarding.htm St. Caesar of Arles (469-543) "When the entire world, and in a special manner France, and in France more particularly the provinces of the North, of the east, and above all, that of Lorraine and Champagne, shall have been a prey to the greatest miseries and trials, then the provinces shall be succored by a prince who had been exiled in his youth, and who shall recover the Crown of the Lilies. This prince shall extend his dominion over the entire universe. At the same time there will be a great Pope, who will be most eminent in sanctity and most perfect in every quality. This Pope shall have with him, the Great Monarch, a most virtuous man who shall be a scion of the holy race of the French kings. This Great Monarch will assist the Pope in the reformation of the whole earth...There will be one common law, one only faith, one baptism, one religion. All nations shall recognize the Holy See of Rome, and shall pay homage to the Pope." A "25 years of peace", other than La Salette, is there other prophecy about this short time? I remember disagreement came up at a Irish Catholic blog over this and over when does the anti-Christ appear. You wonder in the prophetic given in our time, who hears about the Great Monarch for each messenger, they're not given everything. Our Lord doesn't speak to John Leary about the Great Monarch. Similar, John does not hear about separated brothers and sisters say, like the Holy Family Refuge Messages. I thought current and older prophecy reveal the sequence of events goes, Tribulation, the Warning (and within a year the Greatly Miracle). Shortly after the Warning, the anti-Christ takes over, the Great Tribulation brings persecution (the chip or internment camps) so the faithful are protected at God's refuges (on eagle's wings in Revelation), then, God's just Chastisement by fire, the renewal of the earth which is the new time (God's 7th Day), the millennial reign of Our Lord and the triumph of Mary's Immaculate Heart. This last is the Era of Peace and only God knows its length. It doesn't sound like only a time period of 25 years.
You contribute so much to MOG, no flattery. I wish I could convince you. I don't think John Leary is false, God speaks through each messenger in their style of thought and manner of speaking. How could the quote be the Protestant rapture? Rapture believer's private judgment of Scripture of no suffering during the Great Tribulation. And their no death, its straight up to Heaven! I would like to ask, "but Our Lord died?" In the GSWYL messages, remember, a lot of "spiritual babies" which fits Protestantism, they will be taken home though not in the manner rapture believers are professing. Check word search for "spiritual babies", see page 98 ~ http://www.scribd.com/doc/22505473/God-Speaks-Will-You-Listen#scribd God's just judgment coming this time to the world is by fire. God can do anything, the faithful at the refuges, wherever the faithful are, they will be protected when it happens. Proof, how about the eight Jesuit priests living within a mile (8 blocks) from ground zero at Hiroshima?
I'll be honest, I have not studied John Leary enough to know whether what he is saying is in line with the consensus of Catholic prophecy or not. What I do know and reject is that a group of people will be lifted up into the sky during the tribulation and not suffer, while the sinners kill each other off and then these 'chosen ones' will come back to earth to live with Jesus happily ever after. The only promise that seems to fit a Catholic prophetic consensus is that the chosen ones and holy ones (those living in the state of grace) will be persecuted here on earth for our faith in many ways, but, and it is a big but, Jesus and Mary have promised protection for the faithful remnant (which is not the absence of suffering). This purification/suffering is to make our souls most pleasing to God in order to live in the 'new earth'. As far as 'spiritual babies' this refers to those in the state of grace, yet lacking in the development within the faith to persevere through the great tribulation after the Warning. Much Catholic prophecy speaks of the necessity to be living in the Divine Will as the prerequisite in entering into the 'new earth'. Both Luisa and Francine's writings speak of this as well as the messages in GSWYL. Many will accept the love and truth of the Lord through the Warning, but they will not survive what comes after the warning for lack of sound formation in the faith. So our Lord calls these 'spiritual babies' home, lest they loose their soul with the deceit that follows from the Antichrist.
Fatima, You are one of the last people I wish to disagree with so we're discussing is all. And, I will have to account for believing, trying to convince regarding John Leary if he turns out to be a false prophet. I was trying to say, the quote from John Leary you were wondering about is not reference to the false Protestant rapture. God is going to make it happen, the faithful are not hurt in the Chastisement. I agree about "spiritual babies" and doesn't "spiritual babies" spoken of in GSWYL messages, include our Protestant brothers and sisters? They do not have the fullness of the Faith. They need the holy Eucharist. "A soul who does not partake of my Eucharist remains a spiritual baby." This was sent to me a couple of days ago, from a long time Yahoo Groups > Era of Peace. Isn't it interesting, given way back in 2002: To John Leary ~ April 4, 2002: Jesus said, "My people, many are crying peace, peace, but then you will only see war and larger wars. Islam has strived for an increase in population as well as spreading its reach to all parts of the world. Islam will know no peace until all non-Moslems are defeated or enslaved. This is why terrorism will continue with no letup because this is the Arab way of fighting against Western establishments. They will never keep peace treaties because s world their goal is world domination."
Jackie, I think we all have a few messengers/prophets of our time that we hold very close. There are others we hold at a distance, but perhaps pay some attention to. I really know nothing about John Leary, for no other reason than I have not had a good reason to want to study his messages. As for me, I am rock solid in believing all Church approved apparitions from Jesus and Mary. I also hold in high esteem the messages of GSWYL, as I have read them all several times. Whenever I want to know something more specific for these times GSWYL is one resource I find most explicit, reasonable, believable and I feel that nearly everything that needs to be known about this moment in time is in this book (that's just what my prayer life tells me). http://www.scribd.com/doc/22505473/God-Speaks-Will-You-Listen I also unconditionally support Garabandal messages and have little/no reservations on Medgugorje. Others I have no reason to doubt at this time are Zaro, Francine B. Luisa P. messages, as they are so like what I feel heaven is speaking. There are several others, even a couple of protestant ones, that I read closely as well, but do not put the same emphasis on them as the ones aforementioned. I also need to mention how valuable Mark Mallett's writings are and that is why I have donated to him monthly for some time now. I am sure everyone has their own measurement of what they believe to be true, speculative and other. The two books I have printed out to go along with the bible to read a gain strength during the tribulation are GSWYL and Francine B.'s 4 volume. One thing I think we can all agree on is that we are indeed in the end-times.
BISHOP MATHEW CLARK'S OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON JOHN LEARY Statement on John Leary's visions 7/7/99 In the past few years, John Leary Jr., of Greece, has published more than 15 books on private revelations he claims to have received from Jesus, Mary and various saints. In a letter dated June 25, Bishop Matthew H. Clark notified Mr. Leary that he judges these "locutions" human in origin, not divine, based on the unanimous judgement of a Commission appointed by the Bishop to review his works. Under current church law, Mr. Leary was not required to seek Bishop Clark's permission to publish. However, Bishop Clark, exercising his ordinary pastoral responsibility, initiated a review of these volumes more than a year ago. The Commission of clery and laity with expertise in spiritual theology and psychology, was established to study Mr. Leary's writings and offer an informed judgement about their source. The found him "psychologically sound and spiritually serious" but felt he misjudged ordinary mental prayer to be supernatural communication. Recognizing Mr. Leary's strong faith as a Roman Catholic, Bishop Clark did not forbid him to write or teach. However, he insist (sic) that a corrective preface be inserted in each newly printed or reprinted volume. This preface warns readers against various doctrinal errors in the works, such as his teaching about an upcoming thousand-year reign of Christ on earth or that the next pope elected should not be obeyed. In addition, the Bishop asked Mr. Leary to seek theological advisement before printing any future books. http://www.catholicprophecy.info/bishopclark.html (link also contains more details)
